Building a new computer

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ON FURTHER INVESTIGATION. I ALSO ORDERED THE WRONG RAM TOO.

Goddamn Wyatt, you REALLY want me to screwed up on this computer. Don't you?

This RAM is AMD, and the Processor is Intel. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MOTHERBOARD THAT WILL DO BOTH.

I seriously hope that what he's done is a violation of this forum. Cause this kid has really irritated me with his misinformation.

 

"This RAM is AMD, and the Processor is Intel."

What are you talking about? The motherboard supports DDR2 RAM. The RAM I suggested was DDR2 RAM. It is compatible. Who told you it wasn't?

I apologized for making a mistake, and that's the end of it for me. Period.

BTW, there is no such thing as 'AMD RAM'.

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820144049

 

My guess is that Newegg is incorrect. Geil's product page mentions nothing of AMD only RAM.

http://www.geilusa.com/products/showSpec/id/110

And, the first customer review says, "This memory does in fact work with intel systems even though the specs say otherwise. HAve yet to run it in Windows OS but works well for other OS's. Overall good buy for the price."

 

yea ive never heard of processor specific RAM...there is no reason that it shouldnt work

again, im sorry for not noticing the mobo thing earlier

 

Its ok, I upgraded the Motherboard to that ASUS that Wyatt mentioned.

Got the E6300
Ordering a new set of RAM.

All for 6 bucks cheaper then originally.

ALSO, there will be no shipping or restocking fee.

 

right on man!

i hope you dont hate us now, hmm?

 

Wasn't referring to you. You didn't offer any advice for Death. Please read again and see where I was going with this one.

 

Because everything on north bridge runs faster hence whole system runs faster! For example, take 2 identical chips, both at 1.86GHz, but one has a multiplier of 7 and FSB 266 while the other has multiplier of say 5 and FSB 372. Both chips run at 1.86GHz, but the one with 5 multiplier is faster because north bridge runs faster hence whole system runs faster hence EVERYTHING runs faster (components too). Like I say, ask any OCer out there if he could pay $16 for another 66MHz real clock (266MHz) beyond his limit and he will say yes. Name me one other upgrade one can do on any computer system for $16 that could get the results this upgrade could? I am not sure if you realize it, but e4300 was really made for OCers with its 9 multiplier and same awesome potential as E6300. There was no other point to it. E6300 IS the best value out there and that is its purpose. It is a matter of opinion I guess and if anyone felt that $16 was too much to pay for that then that is their right, but it would be a mistake.

On my sig, thanks. It is an important quote. One that we sometimes forget the message behind. I have seen your sig before too. I figured you would appreciate mine.

 

Good. Glad to see you went E6300 and decided to go against Wyatt's suggestion of e4300. There is no good reason to run that stock that I could think of.confused

 

I am still curious how it is faster... The benchmarks say it gets you 1 fps. I don't know about you, but I don't notice when my games are running 1 frame faster or slower. I know the bus is running a bit faster, but if it doesn't increase your real world performance, how do you know it is faster? (Other than pointing at the numbers and saying it is faster than the e4300)

Not to mention, it uses a little less power and will save you even more money over the life of the chip. (Not that it would be a whole lot)

This debate is pretty worthless. It's only $16, and it's only 1 fps, so who cares. Either cpu will be fine.

 

I just don't think you understand the concept of how the computer system works, which is why you are talking us in circles. Learn about FSB and the effects it has on your machine. I'm done with it, though. Believe what you want.

 

Walter is like... 3 pwns in one.

The man basically craps gun powder.

 

Hello Mr. Death. Thank you for the appreciation of my modest activities on MG. I hope your new system works out well for you. I will try to be of some help if you ask this forum again (just be careful who you ask....some of us baseball fans around here are already on our third strike).

 

Look kid, if you want to back up your claims with some data that shows there is a real world performance difference between the two processors, then I'll be glad to listen. But if all you want to do is try to be funny making personal attacks, then I'm done.

 

here's some good data on those procs: http://www.techspot.com/review/40-core2-e4300-vs-e6300-overclocking/

read the WHOLE THING (i know it says its about OCing but it gives stock comparisons too)

x-death, man, be nice. this is the one and only time ive ever seen wyatt make a mistake, its usually him who corrects me lol. it doesnt even matter, you didnt have to pay extra or anything and you ended up getting a BETTER rig because of him

and i think this is the chart you wanted to see wyatt: http://www.techspot.com/review/40-core2-e4300-vs-e6300-overclocking/page5.html

you were right, its just about 1fps gain lol. but DANG do these things have OC potential...

 

Kid? First, I am older than you. Second, I explained this already, hence my comments. The real world performance is that the machine runs faster in general for 16 bucks, not only just when gaming (this was the original point- the value). You will have a faster system overall for a small fraction of total system cost. My point- the 16 bucks is worth it. 16 dollars is such a small, small fraction of the system cost that is it worth it for the faster bus (and fractional clock). For whatever you run or use your computer for, whether it be gaming or be it anything else, the system in general runs faster. Like I said before, e4300 is an OCer and I have already made my points. I am done going in circles with you. Good luck, "kid."

 

Good, Viper. I have seen similar or same pages before. You guys are trying to drag me into an argument I never made. I was never saying that there was a huge advantage. Period. My point was that $16 is worth the upgrade if you are not going to OC because whole system runs faster, not just gaming (which is more sensitive to vid card than a nearly identical CPU), but anything you may do for the slightest price. You try to generally get the most that you can when you build a computer and my opinion was that for $16, relative to what a system costs, this upgrade is a no-brainer (THAT IS MY POINT, ALWAYS WAS, QUIT PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH). The argument is conditional, of course, because if you are going to OC then what I say doesn't stand. You have a 9 multiplier with e4300 and if you wanted to lower the multiplier to 7 and raise fsb to 266, then you would essentially have Conroe anyway. What I am saying is clean and simple, don't put words into my mouth please. Viper....as long as you are keeping score of how many mistakes members have made, I'd like to know my score then?-Ok. I don't know what you are trying to say there, but I don't have any problems with you.

As far as joking around, Wyatt, my words to you contain 0% humor. What I said to Mr. Death was good advice that he should have learned from this thread.

 

i meant nothing towards u walter, i was just trying to get x-death to quit being a jerk because it isnt common for wyatt to make a mistake. please understand that im not taking sides here, i just posted the data to clear things up once in for all, not to back up one person's side of the argument

walter, so far i think your score is 0

EVERYBODY BE NICE!

 

Yes please. Mg is such a happy place usually
lol

 

I'm not worried about your data. It is good evidence, albeit against an argument I never made.

Making a mistake is not a big deal, per se. I make plenty. I knew this thread was going a certain way, but I should end it I guess.....

I think the people here are treating Mr. Death unfairly. I think when a mistake is made the "why" is more important. Why was a mistake made here do you suppose? Some suggestions were hastily done and certain people have a certain nonchalant attitude about it afterward. That's fine, but I thought...why was that post made to begin with? What was it accomplishing? Were you trying to vouch for some good hardware or chime in on as many topics as possible? I mean, it is hard enough to vouch for something that you have had some experience with, but to just throw any 'ol poorly researched advice in....Why? Why do that? Maybe some people are a bit "post-happy." People try to help others on this forum daily. They are not always right, but that is still very, very constructive. It stimulates "thinking." That is why I am on these boards. To "think." I like my ideas challenged. What is it called when you serve up shoddy work? You tell me Viper, you're a neutral party, right? There is a difference between producing incorrect work and producing shoddy work (even though the conclusions of both may be wrong, one is helpful but the other is not). I take pride in all of my work, and of course I still make mistakes. It is not a big deal, it seems it may even work out better for Mr. Death after all, but lets stop beating the guy up please.

I also take exception to certain members calling me "kid." It is dismissive and it is B.S. Certain people are trying to send the message that they are morally and intellectually superior.....

 

Yeah. 1 better part after 2 mistakes is quite the better-end deals.

It doesn't really matter though, since it was a Core 2 Duo and DDR2 544, my options weren't very high... it was either that Motherboard or go through the entire process all over again.