Catalyst 3.5 drivers out

http://mirror.ati.com/support/drivers/powered.html
Thought I would make it obivious

 

i got about 300 more 3d marks with these drivers, and games seem to run smoother.

 

After clean install win xp, downloaded this driver, reboot, the screen went 1024x768 instead of 420x360 something like older driver did. now thats better. how come 3.4 was released recently maybe couple weeks ago then now new drivers already? I am not complaining at all, I am happy with 3.5. I am just curious.

 

The Futuremark fiasco??

 

I had to roll back the last two versions of these drivers as after I installed them my video slowed down so much I could see the pages building and peeling off. Not sure why, but I guess I'd better not attempt to install them again... I thought last time was a fluke, but just as bad this time.

Spaz

 

exact same thing happens to me!!... I am using Cat 2.3 and they work fine for me. (AiW 7500) but I like hitting my head agains a wall, so I may try these out... after a backup??

 

How funny...for grins, I tried using the "find a driver" link on the ATI web page and I get Access Denied!!! Very nice!

 

They are on to you!

Between my friends and I there are 5 ATI cards ranging from a 9000 to a 9800 Pro. No trouble with any of them and the 3.5 drivers. Just lucky I guess.
We all run XP Pro.
Maybe you need to overclock more?

I just did a dirty install, no removal of old drivers. Bloody Mess (hardcore gaming fiend) did a full remove and replace. No problems either way.

 

I don't overclock, but still see no reason why "updated" drivers should destroy my performance... I also install the new drivers over the old as it's always seemed to replace them just fine... only the last two latest versions have I ever had trouble with. I have found, however, that installing the old ones over the new doesn't work for me and I have to do a driver rollback instead.

I guess I'm also into self abuse because my vid performance is fantastic with these older drivers, but I keep trying the new ones. Particularly after reading about the performance increase that you got, DOA. Oh well, glad they helped someone.

spaz

 

Ok, these drivers have caused me FAR more trouble than I can believe. I have replaced a motherboard on their account...

I updated to these drivers and my machine is left with no direct 3d capability. Fortunately I was able to roll back to the ORIGINAL driver that I installed from the cd that came with my card.

Can anyone tell me why this is happening? Currently I'm using DirectX 8.1 because I'm terrified to update as I just got my system back up and running. I used to have DX9 installed, but after I updated to the new catalyst drivers, my system was hosed.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

spaz

 

Ok, so I installed the freshest drivers for my chipset and then DX9... run dxdiag and we're golden... now all that's left to do is update the ancient drivers on my uber vid card... still using the ones from the cd that came with it... download .. hmm, I know the new ones have been trouble, so I'll download some from January. I wasn't having any problem then, that should be good.

WHAT THE HELL!!!!!!!! Direct 3D capability gone again, video barely working.. had to roll the drivers back again.

Using the stock video drivers is like owning a Porsche and never taking it on a drive up the California coast. I know that I'm not getting near the performance I should w/o being able to use updated drivers.

This sucks.

 

Just in case anyone else has problem with these damned drivers... don't end up going through what I did... I was in DirectX up to my eyeballs and re-installing chipset drivers all night... hardware replacements... bleh.

The thing that finally worked was extracting the files to the drive and installing them through the device manager.

If it gives you trouble, back the drivers out, make sure your 3D video is still working by running dxdiag, and if it's ok, install them via "update driver."

Worked for me... after all that time and money... grumble grumble...

 

Been there done all that, Spaz and I have the same problem...
and why 2.3, because from what I have learned from Rage3d.com (not vouching for accuracy but I can vouch from experience) nothing newer than 2.3 does anything for my older card Radeon 7500...
Not sure why this is happening to spaz with his newer card....

Spaz? which PCB board do you have 1.x or 2.0??

 

One quick reply and will reply at legth later.

Please do not assume, Mastertech, that people (in this case I) do not follow instructions or do not know what we are doing. I DO FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS and I DO KNOW HOW TO OPTIMIZE A SYSTEM. Believe me, I know what I am doing and have been going it a long time... This was a surprise to me and the drivers DID cause a problem when installed using the install program.

I simply supplied the information for anyone who had the same problems I did... every pc is different and these things happen.

 

Well, I appreciate your strong defense of DX 9 and Catallyst drivers... however, no matter how wonderful either of those pieces of software may be, they will not install perfectly for everyone and, hence, the need for the message board.

By explaining problems that arise with any install, I believe we are discussing issues that arise related to the endless combinations of hardware and software we are dealing with here in this MajorGeeks world in which we all swim...

It is no particular offense toward DX9 or Catalyst drivers when someone explains troubles that have arisen with the install of them and there should be no representative for them to defend them here when the point is to discuss issues that arise with the install of them or any other software for that matter.

By suggesting that I am incompetent because I have had difficulty while installing them on my particular configuration, you are suggesting that these pieces of software are able to apply themselves to any machine that has been configured correctly and only a complete fool would have any problem installing them.

I suggest, humbly, that this may be an inaccurate assumption.

 

All I have to say is knowing ATI's history with drivers, I'm not surprised that some people are having problems with the 3.5's . There are bugs still in them MT. It seems more than chance that more than one person are having the same issue, no? In any case MT is right that installing the latest drivers are critical for stability but if you're having problems with them then don't. Contact ATI and tell them what your problems are. ATI is a good company and they'll listen if you give them a chance. I've seen more than one post regarding the new drivers and older cards (not necessarily on MG).

Additionally, "Go screw yourself" is not an acceptable response. MT may tell like it is, but he was never vulgar. You are both coming from 2 different worlds of experience and that is evident in reading both of your posts. I suggest you take eachothers posts with a grain of salt. Valid points are made on both accounts.

 

I totally agree that my reply was not appropriate and I apologize to MT and anyone I offended. My sense was that the assumption was being made that I did not make every effort to intelligently diagnose my problem and that was not the case.

A misunderstanding... and I'm a bit punchy lately... my bad.

Yes, Kodo, I did contact ATI and they were prompt with their reply and sent me some interesting and helpful information. The reason I was so frustrated was that nothing was making any logical sense and I felt I had tried everything. In the end, the only thing I hadn't tried was a different method of installing the drivers other than the install package and that is what worked.

Perhaps it was purely my fault for making the assumption that I had presented myself in such a way that it was apparent that I had tried everything "per protocol" and that was not working.

It's always very frustrating when ya try to make something better and end up causing more headaches than it was worth to begin with... ya know?

 

I feel your pain spaz. I really really do! If I may, would you care to share your interaction with ATI with the rest of us so we can see what they said?

 

Well, unfortunately I don't have the exact description of the problem I sent them as I submitted it via a webform and they did not include in their reply... But I suppose I explained the problem in an abbreviated form of how I explained here (sans vulgarity).

Admittedly, I did NOT try everything they recommended as I had been running the latest drivers for quite some time with no problem prior to the hardware changes I made recently and the problem began occuring about 2 driver versions ago. Some of the changes would have been backing settings off simply to get the drivers to work and I hadn't gotten to that point in the diagnostic process... I was merely at the "higly frustrated that my configuration that had been working suddenly doesn't any longer" stage. I would have eventually succumbed and backed off some of the settings they suggest, had I not managed to find a solution.

Here is their reply (sorry, I would clean it up, but I'm running late for work):

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Based on our experience, the issue(s) you describe are usually due to system configuration errors. We believe that the troubleshooting steps listed below may help to resolve this issue.

If you own one of our Radeon products, you may consider reviewing the information at:

http://www.ati.com/support/products/pc/radeon/radeonissues.html

If the ATI display adapter you have is an AGP card, you should also consider reviewing the information at:

http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/3179.html

You may also consider using the new SEARCH ATI function on our web site. It can be found at:

http://www.ati.com/search/index.html


Regards,

Customer Service Canada
ATI Technologies, Inc.
http://www.ati.com

===================================================================
Prior to trying the suggestions listed below, ensure that

1. The most current version of DirectX is downloaded/installed for your version of the Operating System. DirectX can be found on the Microsoft website at <http://www.microsoft.com/directx/homeuser/downloads/default.asp>

2. The most current Microsoft Critical Updates and Service Packs are installed. The Windows Update webpage can be found at the on the Microsoft website at <http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/en/default.asp>.

3. The most current motherboard drivers are downloaded/installed (i.e. AGP, IRQ, IDE Busmastering). The most current drivers for your motherboard can be found on the motherboard manufacturers website.

4. The most current display driver is downloaded/installed for your ATI product. <http://www.ati.com/support/driver.html>

5. The most current sound card drivers have been installed.
===================================================================
ATI Driver and Software Installation Instructions for Radeon family of products.

> learn more http://www.ati.com/support/installation/radeon.html
===================================================================
"This display driver is not compatible" error installing drivers under Windows 2000/XP.

Ensure you are using the Reference driver if using a "Powered by AtI" card. The drivers posted on the ATI website, will only install if a retail ATI card is installed in the machine.

ATI provides graphics chips and technology to third party vendors or partners. Graphic cards produced by these vendors may be identified by the "POWERED BY ATI" logo.

For support information on your "POWERED BY ATI" partner product, please visit:

<http://www.ati.com/support/partner/index.html>

If you require assistance identifying your "POWERED BY ATI" partner product, please visit:

<http://www.ati.com/support/identify/>

Download and install the Reference Drivers located at <http://www.ati.com/support/drivers/partnerproducts/index.html>.

> learn more <http://www.ati.com/support/partner/faq.html>

===================================================================
InstallShield Errors or Hangs during installation - Windows 2000/XP

1.Try emptying the Windows Temp folder.
- Click Start, Click Run, in the Open line, type temp, and then click OK.
- Delete the contents of the TEMP folder and all the subfolders as well.

2. Try Removing the InstallShield Installation Information Folder.
- Click Start, click Run, in the Open line, type c:\Program Files, and then click OK.
- In the Program Files dialog box, click the InstallShield Installation Information folder, and then click Delete.
- Close the Program Files box.

3. Try Removing the InstallShield folder.

A. First Set Windows to show all files.

- On the Desktop, double-click My Computer.
- Click Tools, and then click Folder Options.
- Click the View tab, and then click to select the "Show Hidden files and folders" check box.
- Click APPLY and then OK.

B. Delete the InstallShield Folder.

- Click Start, and then click Run.
- In the Open box, type the following (including the quotation marks): "c:\program files\common files\"
- Right-click the InstallShield folder, click Delete, and then click Yes to confirm the deletion.

4. Try re-installing the ATI Software ===================================================================
How do I extend my desktop to the second monitor in Windows 98/98SE/ME/XP using an ATI dual head display adapter?

> learn more
> http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/enableextendeddesktop98mexp.html
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System hangs or freezes at random after installing ATI drivers:

This issue may be related to the allocation of resources, particularly IRQs. You want to ensure that the ATI display adapter IS assigned and NOT sharing an IRQ. Use the following webpage to check for possible IRQ sharing or configuration issues.

For Windows XP please see the following page: http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/howtowin2kxpirq.html
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BIOS update/settings:

You may consider using these settings in your BIOS to help troubleshoot your issue. If you are changing any of the options in your BIOS, please be sure to note what you are changing and what it was set to initially.

NOTE: These options may vary depending on the type/version of your system. You may or may not have all these options. Please consider changing the settings that correspond to those listed below.

- Video BIOS Shadow and Video BIOS Cacheable - DISABLED
- C8000-CBFFFF Shadow and CC000-CFFFF - DISABLED
- AGP Aperture size - 64 MB
- AGP Turbo - DISABLED
- VGA Frame Buffer and Primary Frame Buffer - DISABLED
- PnP OS installed - YES
- Assign IRQ for VGA - ENABLED
- Resource Control - AUTO
- AGP Bus Mastering - ENABLED
- VGA Palette Snooping - DISABLED
- Disable any UCSW or Write Combine options in the CMOS
- Disable any manual configuration of PCI by setting these options to AUTO
- System Bios Cacheable - DISABLED
- Video BIOS Mode Cache - UC
- Try lowering the AGP support (i.e. from AGP 4X to AGP 2X). If this resolves the issue, you may consider contacting the motherboard/chipset vendor for more information regarding the GART support available on the motherboard/chipset. ===================================================================
Ensure that Direct3D, DirectDraw and AGP Acceleration are all ENABLED.

1. Select START and then RUN
2. Type DXDIAG and then select the OK button
3. Select the DISPLAY TAB ===================================================================
PCI Cards

Try moving the ATI card to a different PCI slot. ===================================================================
System restarts to a Black Screen after installing the ATI Display Drivers.

Assuming all the updates have been applied, try the following.

1. Try changing the refresh rate. If the monitor offers more than one frequency, choose the lowest frequency first to ensure that the display functions correctly.

- Click on START, SETTINGS, CONTROL PANEL
- Double click on the DISPLAY icon
- Click on the SETTINGS tab, then the ADVANCED button
- Click on the ADJUSTMENT tab, then the REFRESH RATE button.
- Ensure that the refresh rate is NOT set to "UNKNOWN".

> learn more
> http://www.ati.com/support/faq/win2k/win2kconfigchangerefreshrate.html

2. Restart into SAFEMODE and uninstall the AGP portion of the motherboard drivers.

If using a VIA chipset based motherboard, rerun the installation and uninstall only the AGP drivers once prompted. Most cases, the AGP or motherboard drivers can be uninstalled using the Add/Remove Programs located in the Control Panel.

3. If your motherboard has onboard video, ensure that the onboard video has been properly uninstalled. 4. Try lowering the Graphics Hardware Slider and then testing.

> learn more
> http://www.ati.com/support/faq/win2k/win2kconfigadjusthardwareaccelsli
> der.html - Windows 2000/XP

5. Check for a system bios update.
6. Try the card in another system.
7. If PCI, try the card in another PCI slot.

> learn more http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/3179.html
===================================================================
Uninstall and Reinstall the ATI Display Driver and ATI Multimedia Center - Windows 2000/XP.

For more information please refer to http://www.ati.com/support/faq/win2k/win2kdriverinstallation.html
for driver installation steps.

1. Uninstall the ATI Multimedia Center followed by the ATI Display Driver.
Both are located in the ADD\REMOVE Programs under the control panel

2. Restart into SAFEMODE.

Hold Down the SHIFT key or tap the F8 key as your system restarts.

3. Remove all monitors and display adapters listed under Device Manager.

To Access Device Manager under Windows 2000/XP

A. Right-Click My Computer
B. Click on PROPERTIES
C. Select the HARDWARE TAB
D. Select the DEVICE MANAGER BUTTON

4. Select START and then RUN. In the Open Field type REGEDIT followed by selecting the OK button.

NOTE: Prior to making any changes please backup your system registry.

To backup the system registry.

A. Select and highlight My Computer in the Registry Editor
B. Select File and then Export
C. Export Registry File dialogue box will then appear
D. In the File Name Field type the name of the file (i.e. Backup) E. Ensure that "ALL" is selected in the Export Range section F. Select the SAVE button.

5. Remove the following registry keys:

NOTE: Not all keys will be available under every OS.

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\ATI Technologies HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\ATI HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\ATI Technologies

6. Close the Registry Editor and restart the system
7. Allow the system to redetect the display adapter. Allow Windows to install a default VGA graphics adapter.

NOTE: This will not occur under all operating systems.

8. Once prompted restart the system.
9. Windows will then redetect the monitor. Allow the system to install standard monitor driver for your display
10. Install DirectX and then restart the system (located at http://www.microsoft.com/directx) 11. Install the Video Capture Update - Restart once prompted (located at http://www.microsoft.com/directx)

NOTE: If you have DirectX 8.1 installed you do not need to install the Video Capture Update.

12. Install the ATI display drivers and then the ATI MMC - Restart once prompted 13. Test the PC
===================================================================
Drivers and Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ's) :

Windows XP: http://www.ati.com/support/faq/winxp.html
===================================================================

 

I would agree that the likelyhood of DX9 being the problem is slim and there are still quite a few bugs in the cat drivers that effect performance. Everytime I reboot my system my Refresh is at 60Hz and I have to set to 75Hz (even though it says in the drop down that it's on 85Hz ) apply it and then set it back to 85Hz in order to get 85Hz back. Fresh install of the 3.5's on this box. NO previous version of the cats were ever installed.
I'm just curious as to how any system could be so poorly "configured" as to produce such a problem? what is such configuration and can it be reproduced. I want to reproduce this problem for the sake of troubleshooting.

he made the error of using dx8.1 but had no d3d when using dx9. I find it VERY hard to believe that DX is highly, manually configurable to cause such a problem. If you're not getting d3d when DX is installed, it's a driver issue. The driver must "install" support for d3d. If the wrong dll is there for that version of the driver then it may fail. Yet I digress; it may be more specifically resolved to an installation issue in that case and not directly a cause of faulty drivers.

I am trying to toss out sensible possibilities.

 

Actually, it was a consistent problem. About two, perhaps 3 driver versions ago, upon installing the new Catalyst driver package on my system I noticed that the video refresh or "page drawing" became extremely lazy and just quickly backed the drivers out to solve the problem. Eventually, I found through dxdiag that upon installation of these drivers the Direct3D Acceleration and AGP Texture Acceleration capabilities of the system were effectively removed. What could be seen on page 3 of dxdiag were grayed out buttons in the place of the enable/disable choices that are there when things are functioning normally.

While still able to use my existing drivers, I didn't concern myself with this too much as I was happy with the video performance. It was after installing the new processor that this problem became chronic and I was forced to deal with it.

And actually, I was working under the assumption that it was simply a problem with my system as I do tend to experiment now and then (understatement)... however, after installing a new motherboard (which uses diff chipset) and finding the same problem on the fresh install, I began to wonder if it could possibly be the driver install. Particularly because I had never had any problems whatsoever with the drivers until just the last couple of months.

Either way, I'm just glad I have the new drivers working... no matter how I had to do it. Would drive me crazy knowing I didn't have their best stuff installed.

 

Um, wrong. I can tell you right now that ona clean install of XP, I have seen the systems load to a black screen and only work Safe Mode. The reason being because the driver on the XP CD for the ATI card(s) sucks.


Guess who provided that driver? ATI. MS doesn't make drivers for hardware they don't own.


On a side note, I have never had problems with ATI drivers that werent compatibility issues for games that have pretty much been cleared up with the latest Cats.


I have had/seen more issues with installing Nvidia drivers than the Cats. Walk in the park in my experience.

 

You can disagree if you wish. I do this for a living, I support XP. I would be happy to back this up with public KB articles, but you would have to wait until I get back to work(FMLA), where I have them saved. (Internal KB is so much more powerful and easier to search than MS support site)


If it wasn't the video driver, then why does it work in Safe Mode, works in normal mode with the UGA driver, and furthermore, works when updated with the latest driver from ATI??

What is your point, I am talking about cards that have native XP drivers. Cards that don't have native XP drivers don't really exhibit this problem.

 

Thats an extremely bold and highly debatable statement.

 

I guess you missed the part where I said if you want proof wait until I can use the internal KB at work. If you do this for a living then you would know that yes, indeed, the public MS KB is lacking and the internal KB is far superior, even in finding public articles.

But whatever, I fix this particular problem with new ATI drivers on a clean install of XP.

If you want to deny that as an ATI driver issue, so be it.

I am not going to keep arguing something so blatantly obvious.

 

Jesus H C.... why is it that when people come to ANY MG forum to ask for help, it MT gets involved it turns in to an argument...

 

MT,
I have already read the FAQ on the DDC issue. My monitor is set to the driver for the monitor. As I mentioned before, it was a clean install and the LAST thing I installed was the ATI drivers, even after the updates for windows XP.. It seems now that this problem happens intermittantly. Not sure why it's intermittant but just for kicks one day I decided to just reboot the pc several times and low and behold after a few tries, she booted up with the normal refresh rate set. Odd. It still does this, but I reboot so infrequently that it's not really an issue for me.

 

^^
I've seen this issue with my 9700pro about once in 15 boots.

 

Not necessarily. An intermittent problem suggests hardware issues, but that need not always be the case.

It might be something as simple as a service failing to load before it times out, but then again sometimes it doesn't timeout. It might have to do with synchronous execution, too.

 

cuz MT is pc tech god, and theres atheist, guess they dont mix well in the same thread.

 

well there... so da chicken, you are a liar!!!

There MT, why don't wyou just say it, we are all just liars

liar, liar liar.....

There is no such thing as an intermittent software problem..
can't happen, ever! EVER!
Don't you people get it...you are all stupid

The word according to................



Rant complete
Carry on

 

Hmmm my 7500 works with CAT 2.3 but does not with CAT 3.1 or newer...
Must be a hardware issue... yep, must be

oh wait...duh I am an idiot and don't know how to install software...thats it...

Got it...

Rant .2 over

 

First of all, real techs don't rely on assumption. We use linear, logical troubleshooting. Assumption, otherwise known as a guess in this case, has no place in real world troubleshooting.

Second of all, intermittent problems can't be software? Yeah, ok Talk about troubleshooting by the seat of your pants.





Third of all, I found articles for you, but they are not public. Take a look at the KB at work, and you'll find them. You did say you did this for a living too, right?

Don't you know you aren't a real tech until you distribute someone ELSE'S freeware and shareware on a CD ?

 

LMAO!!!!


Yep, just me!! I AM unique!! I AM somebody! Wooot!

 

quote:
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Don't you know you aren't a real tech until you distribute someone ELSE'S freeware and shareware on a CD ?
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What is that supposed to mean?



LMAO!!
w00t

 

What do you know about my system, my software, or anything else except for my video card and one sysmptom? Thats right, not diddly. That means you are working off assumption.

I use the Microsoft Internal KB, how about you? Your response seems to hint that you use the MS KB, or did I misread that? Pray tell, waht is the name of the application used to access the internal MS KB? Do you even know?

I don't work for an OEM, thankfully.

 

quote:
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Don't you know you aren't a real tech until you distribute someone ELSE'S freeware and shareware on a CD ?
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What is that supposed to mean?
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Do you really want to know? Have you not figured it out yet?

FYI, your site doesn't speak much for your knowledge.

I liked this part the best from your Optimize XP guide:

Your words:

Q815411 fixes a flaw in Windows XP SP1. Changes to memory handling code result in programs which often allocate memory (which is many of them) can take up to ten times longer than normal to start. This Hotfix will be incorporated into SP2 when it is released. Install this update after installing SP1


Then to quote DIRECTLY from the article you linked to:

Note This article was revised on 4/12/2003 to more accurately reflect the specific purpose and details of the fix. The original title of this article gave the false impression that this was a problem facing many, if not most, Windows XP users who installed SP1. In fact, the problem affects a very small number of customers who are using a privately designed program that exhibits behavior that the hotfix was created to address. (This article was previously published under the title: “Programs Run Slower After You Install Windows XP SP-1”. The contents of the hotfix itself have not changed, only the Knowledge Base documentation was revised for improved accuracy and clarity.

Now, a GOOD tech would check his data periodically and make sure it stays accurate so as not to mislead the public. But hey, I can understand you missing this, it was only modified 3 MONTHS AGO. This hotfix addresses an internal, private program NOT used by the public.

Windows Update - Home
Install All of the updates. Not just the critical ones. This may have to be run multiple times. Run it over again until it says 0 updates available. If a driver issue arises that Windows Update insists upon installing a driver older then one you have or have updated, do not install the one from Windows Update. Use the manufacturers latest version instead and just ignore that Update. With Drivers, the Hardware manufacturer is the one who is correct not Microsoft.

Wait--didnt it just say in the first sentence to install ALL updates untill is says 0 updates available? Interesting contradiction. Which is it?

Funny on how you will rely on an activeX control to decide what driver is best for you. Want to know how many calls I've had by people blindly installing Windows Update drivers? Oh wait, software doesn't have issues, must be hardware!

What about 811493? When that first came out, it KILLED XP performance. Take a look:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;819634

There was another:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;818043

Microsoft has removed the IPSec update for Windows XP from the Windows Update site after incompatibilities were found between the update and some third-party software products. The vast majority of Windows XP and Windows Update users were not impacted by this issue. Microsoft Product Support Services (PSS) will continue to support those who were impacted. Microsoft plans to re-release the update after sufficient testing is complete to ensure that customers have access to the most effective update possible.

http://www.forbes.com/technology/newswire/2003/05/27/rtr983641.html

SEATTLE, May 27 (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. said on Tuesday it has withdrawn a security update for its Windows XP software after discovering that it switched off Internet connections for some of the 600,000 users who downloaded and installed it.


And you reccomend blindly updating with Windows Update on your Optimize guide. Those two updates alone (one fixed, one removed) are reasons WHY not to blindly install updates.



Do I need to continue? Because I can.


Look, I'm sure you are a decent tech, maybe even a good one. But do not try to play off MG members as not knowing what they are talking about unless you know for sure.

And its obvious you do not.

 

No, it's bad software design. Software should never be designed in such a way that the hardware affects the output, let alone that the hardware affects correct execution. That's why they let you run, say, login scripts asynchronously (aka sequentially) or synchronously. One is faster, the other prevents errors.

Google says you're wrong:
"An intermittent problem involving the interaction of Windows 2000 or XP with McAfee VirusScan 4.5.1 and Outlook Express 6 means that the index file to existing email folders can become damaged when a user downloads new mail. In extreme cases folders are trashed - all users get is a message saying Welcome to Outlook Express 6 as if they were a new user." -- http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/22508.html

Another example of an intermittent software problem would be a simple CGI hit counter that failed to use flock. There's a thread about this very thing on this very site:

http://www.majorgeeks.net/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18679

 

Umm, cuz you asked..

Those M$ people don't know anything do they?


ah and pretty much every post by MT is personal and tells people how dumb they are...

Thats one

thats two

Thats three (hey that was personal against me )

 

Awww....


Can't take the heat when you are challenged regarding your BS?

 

Realllly. So tell me why MS would lie. No really, I want to know. And if you really have done these tests, lets see them, or are you going to cop out and say, "I don't need to provide proof"

I provide links and proof (websites and KB articles!!) as to why you DON'T install updates blindly. MT provides: Drivel.

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Oh so you DO know about my system? Good one

Yup, I also know that MS has no XP support in NJ, which tells me that you work for an OEM or some other company that is doing OEM support. OEMs don't know XP like MS does.


So keep talking big, because thats all it is, talk.

How come you don't reply to Da Chicken? No response for your incorrect comment?

As for personal, viscous attacks? You are the cocky tech who is putting down and belittling MG members.

Take some your own medicine bud.


You aren't worth the time to type to anymore.

 

What possible use is a guide if someone even remotely tech savvy doesn't understand it? Adrynalyne isn't a moron, and he misinterpreted something. This guide is trying to be a tutorial, right? That means people who know less than you (probably far less than anyone here) will read it.

Why did you write it if you couldn't be bothered to make it comprehensible?

 

what do you mean? are you saying his guide isnt comprehensible enough for you? I find MT's guide really useful, I refered MT's guides to other people that I built pcs for them. If this kind of attiudes from any members contiune like this here, I wouldnt want to refer majorgeeks website to anyone who need any kind of tech support.

 

Even though MT was a bit hard on me, at one point, I must objectively state that I feel his guide is consistent with much of what I have found through my own research and seems to be a handy collection of tips which not everyone would have the time to find without spending a lot of time (and sleep hours - like I have.. bleh) researching and testing.

It's too bad things got so ugly and while I did have a role in the whole mess by becoming defensive re: MT's comments about my own troubleshooting, I am sorry to see what a mess this has all become.

Take care, all.

spaz

 

WHOA!!!! WTF is going on here.. admittedly I don't come to this particular forum much.. but when I see crap like this, it's going too far. MT has offered some great advice on this board. I don't agree with everything any one says 100% of the time but do you see me going off on them? no.. and I don't expect you should either. If you don't agree with this opinion on something try to be more tactful in explaining your reasoning instead of going off on him. The behavior I have seen in this thread is not acceptable and I Personally apologize to MT for not taking care of this earlier.

You all should know better.