Computer Reaching Well over 150F At CPU level

I decided to go ahead and move this into a new post so as not to high jack someone elses post


holy crap! My P4 STARTS OFF at 48C and it can get as high as 150F and still run fine My case gets so hot that it burns my flesh when I touch it. I think at this point adding a new case fan isn't going to do a heck of a lot of good. Any one have an suggestions about how I might lower the amount of heat being produced? As for air flow I got a new power source and the thing has so many freaking wires that air flow is probably worse now than it was before There is no where at the front of my case to add a fan or even an intake so if I were to do that I'd have to make a place myself I'm seriously worried about my computer.

What would be the best place to start? A new CPU Fan and heat sink and jell or should I add a case fan in the back? There is no room as far as I can see to add one in the front at the moment.

 

Thats not good you need to get air circulating around your case have you got any pictures of your machine this would make it easier to offer some advice

Would you be comfortable cutting holes in your case for an intake fan or a blowhole on the top

If not id seriously consider getting yourself a new case

 

I've been looking around and I've got these options. I can add a case fan in the back, I think it is a 92 mm slot. Then I could add PCI Fans because I've got 2 open PCI slots that I'm not using anything for. Then I could take out my floppy disk drive and put a fan in there As for cutting holes in the case I can probably cut them in the side oppiste the mother board. Would it help if I replaced the heat sink and cpu fans as well? It looks like the major problem is all these freak wires. I can't take a picture but I can tell you with words that my PSU is at the top back of my case then wires just pour out of it. The main mother board cabel (I think) Is in a big mesh thing and is way to long so I have to coil it up however I can. Then I've got a ton of extra cabels I Don't even need like cabels that would go to cd drives and what not. There is no way for me to coil these up because they are just so freaking many! I don't supose I could cut some of them off could I? Also does the gel you put on the CPU itself do any good?

 

I was thinking about adding this to the rear of it, if it fits (for the love of god I don't have a ruler or tape measure that measures MMs ;P

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7818&Sku=Q131-3101&CatId=801

Then replace the crappy CPU Fan my crappy computer came with and put this on it
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=561013&Sku=U10-8400&CatId=493

Then maybe add one of these next to my Raedon 9800 PRO to cool it and the rest of the case.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=133211&Sku=Z19-1028&CatId=804

If I have to I could add two of the first one by drilling holes in the side of my case, which really wouldn't be a problem. My new power supply as fan only power connects that can regulate the speed of the fans along with the two fans the power supply itself has so maybe it will lower the temp of my computer As it stands my computer is hot enough to heat the fing room I'm in better than a portable gas heater

 

Here's what I posted in the other thread in response to you:

Clean up those wire first of all. Use zip-ties to tuck away the unused wires in the corner of the case, or do what I do. I have my top bay empty on my case and I stuffed all the extra wires there. I also zip-tied a bunch of my power wires together to form on long wire that fits perfectly in length to where my devices are.

Also think about getting rounded cables and make sure your case fans are actually exposed to the outside of the case. A fan behind some plastic slits does squat compared to an actuall blowhole that's sucking in or blowing out 100% of the air it moves.

Those small PCI fans and bay fans do squat as well in overall airflow. Don't count them into the equation on overall airflow. You really need a good powerful fan in the front panel pushing cool air towards the back.

 

That won't help temperatures compared to just plugging them into normal power wires. It is more for people who want a quiet case. The speed of the fans is regulated by the temperature of the Powersuply. Since the powersupply is often much lower in temperature than the CPU and the temperature of the Powersupply is what regulates the fans you don't really want the fans plugged into the special connectors on the powersupply until we get your temps under control.

You can shorten the wires if you're comfortable soddering them back together. The thermal compound that goes between the Heatsink and CPU is critical. You really need a silver compound like arctic Silver 5 because silver transfers heat the best. If you've got the cash I would consider getting a new heavy duty heatsink, but your biggest problem is all the wires blocking the airflow. There are ways to tuck away the wires. It just requires a lot of patience and time.

 

I don't have any area in the front of my computer where I could put an intake fan however. There is a small area where there are 2 usb connectors and head phone connectors but it is a very small area. Also my hard drive is on the front of the case just under my dvd, cd, and floppy disk drives. As for the wires there isn't anything I can really do with them. There are so many and so little room I can't put them any where. The one wire is about twice as long as it needs to be which is also creating massive problems.

 

I've also made an observation that if I run my computer with the side door off of it , it maintains a temp of about 100-110 F even under full load. Maybe a case fan or two will make a difference That one fan there says it has a air flow factor of near 80.

Here is a valid question. What part of my computer generates the majority of the heat? Does the CPU create the heat, or does the mother board in general create heat? I know my graphics card also creates heat but that has a fan on it as well as heat sink. (Which is mainly what I want the PCI fan for, the card not the entire case ;P) Looking at my case my cpu fan is blowning right next to where my case fan would be. So it'd be pumping the hot CPU air directly out of my computer. The only problem is no Intake fan and very little intake vents, only a few holes on the side of my door. Further more my case isn't long enough to fit anything ontop. The PSU and the DVD drive are almost touching each other as it is. Buying a totally new case is also out because I have no idea how to trasnfer the internal organs of my comp over heh

 

Adding fans will make all the difference to your temps. As for your wires, I suggest if you don't want to cut the wires and do some soddering, to take out your PSU. Then, fold each unused wire individually all the way up to the side of the PSU and then use a zip tie to keep it folded. Unless you got a super small case like my old one where I ended up having less than one inch between my PSU and Cd-rom drive, you can tuck away the wires someplace.

Don't forget to get case fans and rounded cables. Rounded cables make all the difference to airflow and that is what you need.

If you want to take the lazy way like I did for a while just stick a big box fan next to the case with the side cover off

 

I missed some of what you said:

The CPU and hard drives create the most heat inside of your case. You are in a position where specific airflow is not a problem. It's the fact that air isn't flowing much at all through the entire case is your problem. You should have room to at least drill a blowhole for an 80mm fan. Even on my super tiny old case I was able to barely fit a 120mm fan on the front. The case was 13cm wide and about as tall as a normal monitor.

Before you consider taking the time to do all this work you might also again consider buying a new case. You can find pretty well priced cases that have fans at many places. It won't be that hard to transfer the components over since your computer is using fairly new technology. It will be easier if you buy a higher quality case cause they add the things that just make you life easier. Like drive rails and precut blowholes.

 

Is it very hard to get a new heat sink and cpu fan to replace the one you've already got? For example my mother board is in general a lot cooler than my cpu and the aux sensor where ever that is, is even cooler. There's no way I'm going to be cutting a hole in the front of my case (And by front you do mean the part with the power button and cd drives right?) Because there is just no where TO cut I did go ahead and move all the wires into the front little corner of my computer where there is nothing at except for other cabels. there is a pretty direct line from my cpu to the rear of my case. However there is very little way for air to get from my hard drive to the rear of my case LOL maybe I can put a fan on the OUTSIDE of the case blowing in through holes then make a little hole in the side of my case for the power cabel to come out ;P It would look goofle but it would be blowing cold air directly onto my hard drive ^_^ Then again it is freaking hot in this room to begni with

 

I'm using a store baught pre-built computer. How hard would it be to remove the mother board and all of that and put it into a new case? I've never really figured out how you put the mother board into a case. Do you sodder it in or does the case come with a mother board mount on it or what ? I have no clue in the world lol. I'm just now starting to get into screwing around with my computer since I've got some extra money.

 

IMHO if your case temps really are that high then instead of messing around and wasting money on gadgets etc get a good quality case with intake and outake fans

Moving all your hardware to a new case is pretty straight forward the motherboard is mounted on stand-offs to stop it touching the metal case this is all held in place with screws

We can help you through this but to make sure can you post some info on your current set-up, like make(compaq...etc) model (5324...etc) or a link to a picture from the shop you bought it from as some OEM stuff would not take kindly to being moved whereas custom built shop models should not be a problem

 

It is an E-machine <grunt> Model T4510 I'm off to work now I seriously do think a fan would help because at full load with the side off the computer doesn't over heat at all. thanks for the help and I'll still consider moving to a new case if you think it is easy enough.

 

well if you think a fan would help and it cools ok with the side off i would seriously consider cutting a fan into that side panel its fairly easy with a dremel or a jigsaw
And if you get a kit it comes with rubber tubing which you put round the cut edges, handy if you are a little wobbly with the saw

 

It's good to hear you hid those wires someplace

I transferred my OEM computer (built by a company in the UK called Tiny) to a new case with very little trouble. All cases still have the same basic design for compatibility with all products. Just make sure to not get a super cheap case. You need one with some certain features that will help so much. Believe me when I say I know this from experience (I bought a case that already had a window in it for $30, been a pain from day one)

Look for some features like a pullout motherboard tray and drive rails so you don't have to be screwing and unscrewing the drives all the time.

 

I would worry more about airflow than anything else. If it's an older computer then you should clean out all the dust bunnies, as they will hinder airflow. Cutting a hole in the lower front of the case is easy enough to do.

The wires can be tied to the case with the zip ties as someone has already mentioned. Also like its been stated....look into getting round cables for the cd-roms & hard drives. I have a tons of wires inside my case, but they are all neat & tidy. I have a Digital Doc 5 for monitoring all my fan speeds & temps, so there are many little wires that come with that as well.

Right now my CPU is running @ idle 32c ( 90F ) & my MB temp is 29c ( 84F ). This is with 3 case fans. 120mm in front, 80mm in the back & a 92mm in the top, not including the 80mm fan in the PSU. Under full load I've never seen it over 41-42c ( 107F ). Ambient temp inside my case is 26c ( 79F ). The CPU & MB temps are from the BIOS, as the Digital Doc reads just a bit higher, but the Ambient temp is being read by a simple outdoor digital thermometer.

My System Specs:
Gigabyte GA-7VAXP
Athlon XP2600+ - Speeze all copper heatsink modified w\a CoolerMaster Areo Blower
1.5gigs Corsair PC2700 DDR 333MHz - Thermaltake Active Memory Cooling Kit
ASUS V9280 Geforce4 Ti4200 128MB - Zalman ZM80A-HP VGA Heatpipe Cooler
2 x 120gig IBM Deskstar in a RAID 0
LG 16x DRD-8160B DVD
LG GCE 8240b 24x10x40 CD-RW
Farralon NIC - Cable Internet
AC97 Avance Logic ALC650
Polk-Audio AMR150 speakers
NEC AccuSync AS70 17"
Windoze XP Pro
All inside a highly ( and I do mean highly ) modified Gateway case w\ 1x120mm front, 1x92mm top & 1x80mm rear case fans, Vantec round cables, Digital Doc 5 & a Channel Well 425watt PSU

 

I have a E- Machine Model -T 4510 and my cpu temp runs about 88 to 90 F. I also have" AlienWare Area 51" and the cpu temp runs about 95F.