Two questions about computer buying

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by Sniper4, May 12, 2005.

  1. Sniper4

    Sniper4 Private E-2

    I have two questions about buying a computer:

    -When is the best time of the summer to buy a computer from Dell (when it comes to prices and such)?

    -What CD/DVD rom speed do you recommend for me to get? I plan to use this computer alot for gaming.

    Thank you. :)
     
  2. kuku

    kuku Specialist

    CD/DVD speed doesn't matter for gaming...i cannot think of 1 game that seriously runs on the CD. They all just install to the hard drive and use the CD for authentication and occasional music. So whatever is out there is good enough. As for best time to buy a Dell, I don't know. Sorry.
     
  3. JonS

    JonS Private E-2

    Uhhh, for gaming, forget DELL, they talk about cutting out the middle man....they are the middle man lol
    Min:
    6600GT grafics
    2x512 MB ram (PC3200)
    AMD64 (min 3000+)
    and a mobo to go with it (939 socket)

    ohh, and get a DVD drive, all the new games are DVD
     
  4. chuddds

    chuddds Private E-2

    if you can manage, build it yourself. that way great savings and better specs.
     
  5. Rikky

    Rikky Wile E. Coyote - One of a kind

    DELL HELL!!BEWARE!!BEWARE!! :mad:
     
  6. chuddds

    chuddds Private E-2

    oh yeah, as far as cd, alchohol 120%, google
     
  7. Major Attitude

    Major Attitude Co-Owner MajorGeeks.Com Staff Member

    Huh? The Dell XPS machine has been very highly rated as a gaming machine by anyone who tested it, online or print, for gaming. I was just looking at it, actually. Your at 1399 barebones, but if you add some things (memory is at 512 megs, I would go 2 gigs) you should expect to pay around 1700-2000 for a gaming rig. A good option if you want decent support is a larger company, and Dell has really started building some decent machines. Of course they also build 399 dollar machines that couldnt play tetris, so often you can get what you pay for. This is something us geeks forget when we talk to other people is that some would like the warrany and support which you wont get in a home built machine and pretty poor from smaller companies. A lot cheaper then the Alienware I got which never works right. Abspc.com I have bought from they work well. Dont count Dell out, though, they also have the cheapest 20-24 inch wide screen LCD's and will hopefully force the market price down. As for timing, Dell always offers something, 100 bucks off, free shipping, free printer, etc. Bought a cheapie for my in-laws and they love it.

    They are currently offering 30% off, free shipping and a 160 gig hd upgrade:

    http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/dimen_xps4?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
     
  8. chuddds

    chuddds Private E-2

    dell has good support also, depends on what you are comortable with

    performance or piece of mind
     
  9. JonS

    JonS Private E-2

    yep, they have nice screens, but I gave the eq. of 900 uk pounds for mine (in denmark) think it would cost a bit more at dell, anyway I got some hidden trauma about DELL LOL, dont know why :D

    Guess I would never dream of buying a compl. machine anyway

    ups. edit thats without a screen
     
  10. Major Attitude

    Major Attitude Co-Owner MajorGeeks.Com Staff Member

    Fair enough, I am the same with Alienware because this thing has never worked right and for the price... One call I made to support took an hour and a half when I figured out the problem on my own after all that.. So, experiences do make a difference in your choices. Anyhow, if he wants brand name with support, the link I gave him should help. Otherwise, let us know if we can answer anything else.

     
  11. Rikky

    Rikky Wile E. Coyote - One of a kind

    The way I see it is nearly every part you put into a pc yourself comes with a 3 year warranty,so if it goes you just get a fresh one so new built pc basically has a 3 year warranty,so I have complete peice of mind with mine.

    I havn't looked at any high end dell's,but I cant imagine they are putting name brand components in them,I had a quick look at the link,and they still dont name the memory,or give detailed specs of the mobo.
     
  12. Major Attitude

    Major Attitude Co-Owner MajorGeeks.Com Staff Member

    Once again, your assuming this person wants to buy it piece by piece and\or wants to or can build it or replace parts. If they cant, building isnt even a remote possibility. All depends on what you want as an end user, majority of users only want it to run, they dont care how or why, that does not apply to some of us here, but MajorGeeks has many new users mixed in with experienced users.


    Intel boards are in Dells machines with Intel chips, last I knew. Cant knock them. I have always found Intels own boards to be top notch. I bought Emachines with Asus and Nforce boards. I bought my wife a cheap 400 Emachine to save the hassle, 256 megs, dvd writer, Nforce board. She loves it, especially because its tiny and my son even plays games on it when hes here. Go figure. Really, motherboards are so easily bought, most come with a decent board. I personally just think people need to watch out for boards with SiS chipset or Intel or SiS video cards onboard, those are machine killers for sure. Theres a few brands that stick out as crap boards, but most average end users will be fine even with those. I agree on memory, that said, everything else is pretty well detailed on the site. I didnt check detailed specs for ram though.

    I still feel Dell is ok if you spend enough money and dont buy the 399 machines with onboard Intel video or Abspc.com who I have bought, and friends, for a total of 6 or 7 machines all trouble free for as much as a couple years now. This is where we are in the conversation now.
     
  13. Rikky

    Rikky Wile E. Coyote - One of a kind

    I was demonstrating that a home built sytem can have better quality parts for less,without sacrificing warranty,support and peice of mind,I am not arguing which path to take,as you said if the high end dell's are good they are worth looking at.I was hasty in my first post dicounting dell's.I'm just posing questions and giving my opinion about the choice because the questions cant be asks once the purchase has been made.
     
  14. Tourangh

    Tourangh Master Sergeant

    I have a dell and i have to say support was very helpfull while it lasted. I just called dell and had someone walk me threw whatever i needed.
     
  15. encrypt

    encrypt Private E-2

    i used to have a dell back in the day. a trusty 4600, the gfx were not bad, and i never had a problem with anything major. i upgraded gfx card to a 9600, and nothing ever happened. i agree that building will give you better specs for cheaper price, and that buying from dell gives you comfort in knowing that if something happens you can get it fixed for free, but like someone stated earlier most parts come with there own warrantys any way, so if you know how to build computers, that would most likely be your best bet.
     
  16. Omegamerc

    Omegamerc MajorGeek

    I disagree; they "Fix it for free" after you paid an extreme premium for that pc. Example my dell from college has a 3yr warrenty. If you go to configure this dell and the 3yr 'guarantee', 80% of the original value of the laptop is added as a premium.
     
  17. encrypt

    encrypt Private E-2

    well i highly doubt that anybody that knew how to build computers would go out and spend the money for a NAME BRAND gaming pc anyway. also, people who dont have the know how about building a computer would prolly not be looking to upgrade there machine any way. (maybe because not everyone knows how to do it) just because its simple for geeks like us o_O...doesnt mean its simple for everyone. im just saying the 3 year warranty gives them comfort in knowing that if anything went wrong the computer it would be fixed, and yes for FREE. i believe dell has some of the lowest prices for decent pc's on the market right now. if your looking for an all out gaming machine, you probably know the difference between a mb and a kb, so name brand gaming pc's would not be an option to you.

    in my mind dell, or any other namebrand pc for that matter, is great for the avearge buyer
     
  18. Tourangh

    Tourangh Master Sergeant

    When i first got the dell there was something wrong with it so they had me send evrything back and replaced it for free.
     
  19. Targon

    Targon Private E-2

    If you want to play games, then you should go with an Athlon 64 based system. That means no Dell since they don't sell AMD based machines. Check out Gateway, or HP/Compaq if you want a big name machine, but no matter what, you should go for the following components:

    Processor/CPU: AMD Athlon 64
    Video: no built-in on-board junk. Go with at least an ATI Radeon 9800(or above) or Geforce 5900 or above.

    Memory: 1 gig PC3200 if you go with an Athlon 64.

    The reason for going with the Athlon 64 over a P4 is the memory controller on the CPU. That gives a HUGE performance boost in just about every application and game. You also don't need to pay a price premium for DDR-2 memory.

    Dell tends to be picky about the memory you put in, so even if you have memory that matches the spec for your machine, it may not work because of the internal settings on the memory.

    For the moment, you can generally get a bit of a price/performance benefit going with a socket 754 Athlon 64 compared to the socket 939 version, but you sacrifice the ability to upgrade further down the road. The upgrade would be to just drop a faster CPU in without replacing everything.

    Going with an Nforce 4 Ultra chipset on the motherboard is probably your best bet at the moment. The SLI version only matters if you want to run two Nvidia video cards in SLI mode, ATI won't run in SLI mode on these boards, so if you go with an ATI video card, don't worry about that.

    Most companies that sell parts will also build the computer for you for a small fee. So you could pick the parts(or have someone pick them for you), then find a place that sells them all and when you order, ask to have the machine built.
     

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