Whens Juiced or Driv3r PC coming out?

Juiced looks like a sweet game, I played the demo and I was impressed with the physics... but neither Juiced or Driver 3 are out for PC, I did a search and they were due NOW, but then I see conflicting release dates, saying october, some say 11th September, etc...

WHERE ARE THEY!!!

Half-Life 2, Counter-Strike Source, Driver 3, Juiced, and Kao the Kangaroo 2, now that would keep me enticed for weeks!!! maybe MONTHS

 

dRIV3r

Media: Release Date
N Amer 11/01/2004

JuicEd

Media: Release Date
N Amer 10/05/2004

 

I thought JuicEd demo was way too real for my taste to handle; and driv3r ...well what can i say; probably the WORSE gta clone out there? go to a store and try it out (if they still have it on their stands). Its just that horribly bad + dissapointing.

Im just waiting on HL2 + WoW + Fifa 2k5, meantime playing Fable which is absoultly awesome.