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Old 05-08-12, 20:22
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gang - this should not be hard but for googling, the terms are so common that I get no happiness... what I need is something like DBAN [it may BE dban for all I can gather] that can boot and immediately Secure-Delete [overwrite, render unrecoverable] all drives with ZERO human intervention. I read tantalizing things like "autonuke" option switches.... which requires a human.... which requires a kbd, pointing device, monitor, multiple power outlets.... See what I mean? I need to throw in a cd/dvd, hit the power button, and leave... slam the door behind me.

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Old 05-08-12, 21:14
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Old 05-09-12, 07:55
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You could try Active KillDisk, it has a commandline option, so you can script it to do your bidding.
I'd create a floppy with KillDisk, put my script in there and make sure it works, then if need be make an image and create a bootable CD from it.
I know they have used KillDisk around my company, but I like DBAN, it always seems to be able to detect the drive / controllers in my systems.
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Also you can extract DBAN and edit the syslinux.cfg (floppy) or isolinux.cfg (from ISO file) file as instructed in the file

# Set this option to zero if you wish to skip the boot prompt.
PROMPT 1

# This label will be started if you just push enter at the boot prompt, or if
# you set the PROMPT option above to zero.
DEFAULT dban

Which looks like you change prompt to 0 then maybe default dban --autonuke
I'll have to give this a test and let you know.
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Old 05-09-12, 08:17
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Would have to ensure that "Boot from CD" is enabled.
If I had a suspicious mind, this sounds like the way to get back at an ex. or somebody.
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Old 05-09-12, 08:25
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If I had a suspicious mind, this sounds like the way to get back at an ex. or somebody.
Exactly why I didn't post and I think that's what Colemanguy hinted at.
I "think" it's policy around here, not to give advice for stuff like this, unless it's confirmed to be non-malicious.
At least it was policy, when there were more active mods.
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Old 05-09-12, 09:07
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If he wanted to erase one machine or even two, he has to sit there and boot them and why not just go through the menu? what does that take a few seconds? He said he doesn't want to use multiple keyboards, sounds malicious?
If you've ever worked in the real world there are times that you need to wipe several PC at a time, in my case leased PCs being returned and a scripted eraser would help because you don't need a KB or mouse. So yes I am activly look for a fix for all of 'us'.
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BTW.. this works editing isolinux.cfg to read

# Set this option to zero if you wish to skip the boot prompt.
PROMPT 0

# This label will be started if you just push enter at the boot prompt, or if
# you set the PROMPT option above to zero.
DEFAULT autonuke

If you don't want autonuke, I'd say any of the 'labels' from further down the file could be used like quick or dod & so on.

Tools I used: notepad++ (Darik said to use notepad) and WinISO to extract the files and boot image and to recreate modded iso. Darik has some pointers for do this, you can't just edit the file in the ISO according to him.

Totally automatic!!! Thanks Zapp for posing this question, I have thought about it but never really pursued it.

Remember with great power comes great responsibilty... and make a BIG WARNING label on this disk, or to quote Bender "Well, we're boned"

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Old 05-09-12, 10:39
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I do consulting for small biz. I have used several tools to securely delete data, my fave being 'secure delete'
I am helping shutter an office, with the principle doing away with some old stuff in the process and I picked up a cpq proliant server - ancient boat anchor ML330e, win2k on a ... can you believe ... 20gb drive.
why would I want to charge them to break open the server, pull the drive, lash it to a test mule, and hand-secure-erase the data when I could shove in a disc and leave? so I started rummaging around my usual haunts thinking surely a bunch of IT shops have come up with this tool I describe, but I found nada. I find that unnatural - its out there, but the commonality of terms I'm using in the googling defeats precision.

I appreciate the tip on editing for DBAN - I had assumed I would end up there. now the decision: do I charge these folks for my time or consider it a necessary tool in my toolbag that will get used again? ....
This SHOULD HAVE been a 5 minute job: google up an ISO, burn it, shove it in, done.

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So your hooking up a monitor then to verify it is indeed wiping, why not hook just a keyboard up as well? I dont understand how you save time not just doing that in the beginning, clicking a few buttons and starting the wipe. Unless you can see the video saying it is wiping, how do you know that it was done and that the data is gone?
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this one was single drive - since it went through a fairly extended scanning period looking for multiple controller types I ASSUME it would have picked up all devices. but, untested.

my reason for checking the monitor is obvious: never used it before [heck, this was Alpha, right?].
If you were in a higher production environment, a laborer [low wage] could return to the floor where you dropped this bomb on multiple desktops, for example, and walked - the helper would simply look at the screen 'Finished'.
Darik put a nice finale' message on there.
If you had a rackfull of these you'd probably have a monitor switch if you wanted to verify.

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Wait a minute. You have to go to each PC, insert a disc, start the process and move on.
How many discs do you need to burn? Who retrieves them? Sure you can use a flash drive, but who retrieves that or do you just wait and then move on? Seems like just as much work.
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I had several of the DBAN burned but once it boots up and starts wiping you can remove the disk and go on..by the time I'd get one going, the next would be ready for me to manually make my selections... no more.
Why should one hook up a KB (mouse is not really used) just to type autonuke, wait a few seconds, hit space to select the drive, then f10 to start?
When I do my end of lease swaps I have them setup like pictured. Having DBAN auto start makes it a bit faster.
Maybe we will not see eye to eye on this, you don't see any value in this, others do. It's a niche CD, eh? He wanted a tool (and I did) and now we have it.

Gloozit, what did you think this CD was supposed to do? self destruct? teleport to the next PC? Yes, you can put it on a USB ($5 bucks) or CD, or multiple CDs, which cost like $100 each, right? Try a couple of cents each. This CD is for work it is to securely erase your hard disk, if that is too much work, toss it in the trash and hope no one gets the info and comes back on you.
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Old 05-11-12, 10:41
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foo you may know the answer to this: in a larger production shop, when a bunch of desktops are decommissioned is it typical to simply vector all that to a sub for "securely deleting" the data, or inhouse? and I would imagine in LEO and Medical, at least, the rules are peculiar to the trade.... certainly it is in high security i.e. pentagon, cia, et al.

I know of no reliable "bulk" method of securing hard drives, unless it would be vaporizing them in a plasma oven
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I don't know, I just zero drives in systems that are going to be returned and I'm guessing resold as refurbished by the leasor. I don't really do that many drives, just every few months.
But I'd say if you want something done right, do it yourself.
But here is a secure "deletion" tool
http://www.edrsolutions.com/
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bet that would do it!
i checked a buddy who runs a mid-sized shop that does deal with sensitive data: he says he has a bulk tool that works with later drives, not older [no specifics... txt limit] and puts a wage guy on a drill press for the olders.

that unit is only $9500.... breakeven point at, say, 200 drives? and can do by hand if the lights go out... not bad at all.
those forensic guys though will tell you that any strip of magnetic media they find might just yield the clue

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I don't know, I just zero drives in systems that are going to be returned and I'm guessing resold as refurbished by the leasor. I don't really do that many drives, just every few months.
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But here is a secure "deletion" tool
http://www.edrsolutions.com/
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Gloozit, what did you think this CD was supposed to do? self destruct? teleport to the next PC? .
No, I am thinking of how much time is saved by doing this, this way.
So none of these PC's are hooked to any input devices? And all are already set to boot to CD/DVD first?
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Most 'modern' PCs are set to boot CD first since floppies are not as popular as they once were. If they aren't I usually have to set them to since I have to use a ghost boot cd or Bart PE (w/ ghost) to load the initial images in my environment.

I have a server with 6 drives going back soon and I'll post if it does all drives at once, we know it will do a single.
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