Can rundll32.exe be virus'ed?

Discussion in 'Malware Help - MG (A Specialist Will Reply)' started by shorttex, Feb 2, 2009.

  1. shorttex

    shorttex Private E-2

    The question is this: Is my rundll32.exe (which doesn't - run, that is) a viral replacement, or just an innocent bystander? If it's hosed, can I copy one from one of the other WinXP Pro boxes?

    I think it was okay until I ran Norton Removal Tool, preparatory to installing AVG. After NRT ran, rundll32.exe quit working (most of the icons don't load, almost no .exe's will load and run... bad juju).



    Background:
    I have a post in SOFTWARE, to which this is related (http://forums.majorgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=181258), but this is the right place for this particular question, as far as I can tell. IT may be that the whole thread needs to be moved, because it's looking more like real malware was involved, and not just adware as I had thought.

    I thought I might as well see if I can download the other cleaners (SUPERAntiSpyware, etc) while I seek insight into the problem described in the other post. Not only does rundll32.exe not run, but clicking on an .exe file in file explorer doesn't work. They all do the same thing, that is, windows announces that it doesn't know how to handle an .exe and offers to go look on the 'net - which, somehow, I don't think is going to do any good. But it turns out that a few things do work. My Computer (regular ol' File Explorer, right?) runs, and the IE icon on the desktop runs (although trying to run iexplore.exe directly gives the same error message as rundll32.exe, that is "Windows cannot open this file."). Two pecular - and troubling - things happen when IE starts up. First it announces that it isn't the default and wants to know if it should check every time it gets run. Second, some "Windows installer" window pops up, and starts installing something. I kill it immediately, and another one pops up, which I also kill. One - or maybe both - say they're installing MS Small Business something if I let them go a few seconds. I recall having seen this associated with a virus a year or two ago, so unless this needs to be allowed I'm going to keep killing it... it occurred to me that maybe the Norton Removal Tool killed some required part of Windows, and this install will fix it, but somehow I doubt it.

    In fact, every time IE opens a new window, and at some jumps between screens in the same window, ONE copy of the "Windows Installer - Preparing to Install" window pops up and starts running with no interaction. And I kill it most immediate.

    I can't install the virus-cleaning downloads, because Windows announces it doesn't know what to do with pretty much every executable on the computer. "Windows cannot open this file: xxx.exe To open this file, Windows needs to know what program created it..."

    So it looks like I'm stuck on this one, unless there's a way to get Windows stabilized to the point where it will actually follow links and run executables...
     
  2. shorttex

    shorttex Private E-2

    Still don't know for sure... it seems to be so widely used that it ought to be a good target for viralists but also a closely-watched file for anti-virus s/w.

    It doesn't matter now. I gave up and re-installed (actually "repaired") Windows on the machine. Had a bout with video driveritis, got past that.

    Still... if you have any insights about rundll32.exe that you think should be shared, I'd love to see them.
     
  3. chaslang

    chaslang MajorGeeks Admin - Master Malware Expert Staff Member

    Can rundll32.exe get infected? Of course any file can get infected. Was it infected? We don't know. You could have had a variety of problems. Possibly malware and possibly not. Since you have reinstalled, we will never know.

    You should read this Don't Bump! It Only Hurts You!!! to avoid future delays in getting an answer. Your last post here cost you another 2 days of awaiting time.
     
  4. shorttex

    shorttex Private E-2

    Yes, I am aware. Note that I stated the problem was "solved" and was only asking for any insight. Perhaps my question should have been "is it likely.." or "does it get targeted often..".
    No, it didn't. Did you read what I wrote? I specifically stated that it was "solved", but that I'd still like to see any insights. IIRC, I stated on the other one that I had more information to add and didn't see a way to edit the original, and was not intentionally to bumping it.

    I appreciate the fact that you responded. Thank you.
     
  5. chaslang

    chaslang MajorGeeks Admin - Master Malware Expert Staff Member

    Yes!

    Yes I did. I'm just stating a fact for future reference that adding additional posts causes further delay.

    If you had run our cleaning procedures before originally posting your first message, we may have been able to fix your PC without you having to perform a repair. However we are happy to hear that you have things working properly.
     
  6. shorttex

    shorttex Private E-2

    It's more of a generalization. While it's true that _in general_ "bumping" can end up causing messages to be passed over by potential helpers and delay possible answers, in the particular instance it didn't, for the simple reason that - as noted - I wasn't waiting for an answer. If there was a way to edit the message after the golden period, I didn't see it. If there is one, either I've got a bad setting somewhere or I just flat missed it. Is there one?

    If there isn't, then is there some better way to add information, or correct oversights, after the fact? Sure, I understand the bad side of bumping, but if you can't edit your posts, should you post a separate message, or wait... or what?
    You lost me there, two ways. First, I thought I WAS following the procedure, in the midst of which (getting a working A-V program installed) it commenced to get worse to the point that I couldn't go any further (since running NRT nailed it down), which was when I posted that first one; second, in any event, how would that have gotten an answer more quickly?


    "In fact, two plus two is five, for sufficiently large values of two."
     
  7. chaslang

    chaslang MajorGeeks Admin - Master Malware Expert Staff Member

    There is a 5 minute timer. After that, you cannot edit a message. There were many reasons for this policy. Some of which include people deleting things that they posted even days ago. This leads to problems since fixes could already be in progress. Also people would sometimes delete logs which no removed our history information that could be needed in the future. Then there was also the few cases of editing something and then later saying "I never said that or posted that"....etc.

    As I said above, a fix could already be in progress. It could already be too late.

    The sticky threads are supposed to be read. This is standard policy on all forums. Then in cases where help is needed with malware problems the READ & RUN ME FIRST. Malware Removal Guide sticky thread is supposed to be run which is why it says read and run me first. If a just a general question needs to be asked that is related to infections or malware removal, it is not necessary to run the READ & RUN ME but all of this stickies still should have been read thru at least to see what is available and to learn forum policies. Questions that are not related to malware removal, like a question about Norton Removal Tool, should be posted in the Software Forum since it is a question about software. However, once you start making comments about your rundll32.exe possibly being infected or if any of the statements you make in your message could imply a possible infection, we are going to send you to the READ & RUN ME FIRST.

    By waiting for your original message to be answered.
     
    Last edited: Feb 23, 2009
  8. shorttex

    shorttex Private E-2

    I'll take that as being "No, you can't edit later" and "no further message is acceptable".

    As for the rest of it, I had thought my points were clear, namely, that I in fact was following the procedure (which should imply clearly that I did read the stickies), and that I was not intentionally bumping, but attempting to work around what appeared to be the lack of an edit possibility, to clarify the problem (in the first instance). You of all people should be acutely aware of the wild goose chases that occur when seeking to troubleshoot some problems, and it would seem to be a rational addition to attempt to short-circuit some paths that were almost certainly unprofitable. Not being able to execute ANY exe's pretty much derails virtually everything in the cleanup procedures past the point of erasing excess junk, which had already been done.

    In future, if I pose a question based on a perceived problem, and it turns out that my perception was wrong (or not explained well), I'll just wait for someone to respond before I say "never mind, it was something else".

    I'm not trying to be flippant here, but I was in the middle of what I believed were the suggested procedures - which I have I believe repeatedly stated I had read, believed I understood (including the WHY of them) and was following - when the whole thing went to sh!t... and my attempts to go forward from there seem to inspire you mainly toward repeating this RTFM mantra, complete with explanation of why. All I wanted to know with my last question was whether or not there is either an edit procedure which I had missed or a proposed workaround. I now understand that as I had thought, there are none, and I can proceed from there.

    Thanks again.
     

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