rant.

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by laurieB, Jun 28, 2004.

  1. laurieB

    laurieB MajorGeek

    my litle dog is driving me mad. im really worried about it and need some advice.

    i have two dogs.
    one is a cross rott/lab. he is the most obediant, intellegent, well trained, well mannered dog in existance. (no....really). he is a 100lb of pure muscle. he is well trained for that very reason. he also has that kinda personallity. he should have been a 'seeing eye dog' or some such.

    the other one is a puppy. hubby found it starving and dieing in the middle of nowhere and brought it home. it was about eight weeks old. i thought at the time it was about 12wks old. it was so thin you could see every bone in its body. it was infected with every kinda paracite known to man. it was not dehydrated so had obviously found a water sorce but that actually is 'worse' because it meant that the damage was all malnutrition.

    i fed it poisons in doses....first day i washed him in sargents. second day i put advantage on his neck, two days latter i gave him hook worms tablets and so on and so on. As his general health improved with each meal, and each set of treatments, so we noticed it had a limp. we took him to the vet and was told that unless we had loads of money there was no point in x.rays. so dog has a limp..nothing major, something wrong with his hip, or maybe his back. every now and again he leaps up squeeling. so i think he must have spasms

    he is also gonna be huge. i thought he would be real easy to train. after all i know a bit about the subject. the dog is well motivated by food, and has the other dog's lead to follow.
    not working....not even a bit. had the dam dog for three months now, he is five months old and he doesnt even know his own name.

    just spent twenty minites trying to get it in the house. my other dog lookes like a cross between a horse and a large cat. this one looks like a cross beween a rabbit and a deer.

    i dont know what to do.
     
  2. CaNoFzOo

    CaNoFzOo Sergeant Major

    I'm sorry but thats your fault.
    You're supposed to teach your dog its name.
     
  3. laurieB

    laurieB MajorGeek

    canofzoo, that was the whole point of the rant. the dog is brain dead ,either through trauma or malnutrition. it is not making the conections.
    i need someone who knows about such things to make some suggestions. ps, before anyone says 'put it down' that may end up a real possibility, but i havnt got there yet, and would like to exhaust all other possibilities.
    aloha laurie
     
  4. CaNoFzOo

    CaNoFzOo Sergeant Major

    At first I thought you were implying I was a stupid person....

    I was about to say...... :p

    Wait... maybe you were saying I was a stupid person... :eek:


    Hmmmmmm....
     
  5. mispon

    mispon Brigadier Boingy

    Oh :( I'll adopt him, stupid owner...stupid dog...:)

    You can't put a dog down because it's dopey, we have dopey cats, but they're happy, dopey cats. :)

    Can you really not train them at all? I don't now much about dogs, except they're stupider than cats;). Perhaps if it's motivated by food, it could be trained using treats, it'll just end up a big, fat, stupid dog...errr. :confused:
     
  6. laurieB

    laurieB MajorGeek

    theres definately something wrong with it. lol. its quite cute when its not terrified, which it is if you try and pull it, or if you tell it off and sometimes for no reason at all. i thought it would 'even out' as it became more secure in this environment. but not ! and a frightened dog is a dangerous dog.
     
  7. debbie

    debbie Private First Class

    As someone who has owned and trained MANY dogs, I can tell you some are brighter than others...I truly believe that MOST dogs ARE trainable - even if it doesnt seem to be the case. most dogs want to PLEASE - which is why PRAISE is often more effective than food. It takes a LOT of work- but dont try to do it all in one burst - several 20-30 minute "sessions" a day are more effective than one 1 hour session. make it fun - make it a game....and keep it interesting. if you notice he starts to get bored- not listening at ALL, wandering away, times up -

    that said, i have had dogs my entire life. almost always a german shepherd. several years ago, when i was "dogless" , I decided I wanted a new dog. I chose a femail golden retriever. my daughter was still an infant, they are good family dogs and very intelligent. "Jessie" as she was named, was dumber than a meal moth. she was SWEET, and very friendly, but wouldnt know a command if it bit her in the arse! i treid for over a year- EVERY SINGLE day. now, she did know her name. but that meant nothing to her. and she was fairly well behaived- for many people she would have been a good dog. if you want one thats nice, and good, but doesnt listen. She had "COME" confused with "RUN AWAY AS FAST AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN AND DONT COME BACK UNTIL THE NEXT DAY"

    she was also a theif. we would find our neighbors belongings in our yard and garage ALL THE TIME!!!! it got to the point where we kept a box of stolen merchandise inside the garage, and the neighbors knew where to look if somethign turned up missing.

    "SIT" got you a blank stare, and "STAY" meant the same as "COME" . She was housebroken- so she cant have been ALL that dumb, but really, that was her only saving grace. We ended up giving her to a family with a lovely LARGE, FENCED yard. assuming she never got out, shes probably very happy.

    I am going to give you a link to a gsd board, but they welcome any dog lover with questions- their forums have WEALTH of information..you may get some good training tips.

    http://p197.ezboard.com/bgsdlounge
     
  8. laurieB

    laurieB MajorGeek

    no, the treats dont work. he MIGHT sometimes sit for a treat, but only if he can smell and see it. the idea is to feed them treats untill they connect the treat with the command. shadow just looks at you as if your teasing him. he was reasonabley easy to house train but i think its possible he was housetrained before all that horror happened to him. when we first put a leash on him he refused to move at all and yelped and whined like he was beeing beaten or something. we just let him trail the leash round with him for a while. after that he would allow us to put it on. he will walk on it, but not if you try and direct him. as soon as you tug on it he freezes. if he was a human he would be on 'medication' !!!
     
  9. laurieB

    laurieB MajorGeek

    thanx debbie. aloha
     
  10. CaNoFzOo

    CaNoFzOo Sergeant Major

    Maybe i'm not understanding this right but.....

    you pull on your dog?

    telling it off for no reason at all?

    I'm sorry, but that is no way to treat a pet.



    EDIT: thats no way to treat ANY animal
     
  11. laurieB

    laurieB MajorGeek

    ps, it gets plently love and praise. i can even calm it down now, by talking soothing, and stroking gently.
    it will come to me occasionally for loving, it plays non stop with the big dog, the kitty, and the boys.
    im hoping its just 'retarded' lol, and that things will improve. just no sight of that thus far.
     
  12. CaNoFzOo

    CaNoFzOo Sergeant Major

    Please do not call your pet an "it"

    I find that disrespectful.


    Maybe i'm just crazy....


    but still...... :)
     
  13. laurieB

    laurieB MajorGeek

    no canofzoo. i left out a comma,,,,,i meant pulling its collar to get it to move, or pulling its leash to get it to move or to stop him from pulling you, or sometimes it seems frightened for no reason at all. please believe me, the dog is much loved and very well taken care of. its general health has improved no end. it now looks like a dog is supposed to, its coat is shiney, its paricite free, etc. aloha
     
  14. CaNoFzOo

    CaNoFzOo Sergeant Major


    Sorry for attacking you. lol

    Maybe before you guys rescued the dog it had been abused.
     
  15. laurieB

    laurieB MajorGeek

    please read the begining again. aloha
     
  16. meandog

    meandog Specialist

    I find this very intereating.
    From what I can see ( and with out seeing the animal )it has never had the chance to sociliaze with the world.
    What you have is a wild dog.
    It was left to defend for itself.
    Thats all it knows how to do.
    You ALWAYS take care of # 1 first.
    Now you have to socialize him.

    IMHO.
    First is get a kennel ( 10'x10') or a crate for dogs.
    KEEP HIM THERE AT ALL TIMES.
    Make sure that he can see you playing with the other dog and the kids.
    Then IGNORE him.
    This is NOT cruel to a dog.
    What happened was that he missed out on the socializing with other objects.
    ( ppl cats dogs )
    All dogs need this.
    There is a pecking order in a family.He needs to know what the order is.
    Once in a while give him praise. But not all the time.

    What you need to do is have him look forward to seeing you.
    Then you need to have time with just the 2 of you.
    No distractions.
    Then start teaching the commands you want him to learn.
    It will help to have a 20' learners leash and a strong chain collar.

    As debbie said above, limit the time you are training him.
    You have to make it fun for him.
    Every day you have to take a little more of the puppy out of him.
    He is young yet and it will take time, but in a month you should notice a big difference.
    Last thing.You said he was to the vets. Is his hearing alright ??
    By the way i disagree with canofzoo.( teach the dog it's name.)
    By the way i disagree with xflat.( put him down )
    By the way i disagree with you that the dog is brain dead. ( I hope you said this out of frustation )
    I agree with mispon.( you will have to try )

    All animals have a right to live.It just depends on if you want to pay the price.

    If you do not understand this pm me and I will tell you how to contact me.
     
  17. muskybob

    muskybob Fish Tickler

    Hey laurieB, have you had the dog tested to find out if he is deaf? Does he respond to noise or vibrations on the floor? Try getting his attention by calling him when he isn't looking. If he doesn't respond, try stamping your foot on the floor and see if he looks around. Sometimes these things are overlooked and people think the dog is untrainable because he won't respond.
     
  18. Ken3

    Ken3 MajorGeek

    You've made a good point Musky. My wife used to have a cat that was completely deaf, didn't find out until she banged on some pots. Didn't flinch - but her other cat did! Now, we have a white cat (one eye green, the other blue) that's pretty close to deaf, but can hear rustle of dry food in the box or bag. This deafness is a trait with white cats with the eyes I've described.
     
  19. CaNoFzOo

    CaNoFzOo Sergeant Major


    awwwww.... thats so sad. :(
     
  20. laurieB

    laurieB MajorGeek

    meandog, i think your right about the socialization bit. he does not have the limits other puppies have, ie, he will wonder off becoz unlike most puppies he doesnt have a 'safe zone'. most puppies will stay close to home and explore in ever increasing circles.....this one just wonders aimlessly. he does not even realise when he is pushing the bounderies with my other dog ie, he will attempt to take food out of the big guys mouth!. this has resulted in boysie biting him three times thus far. hubbie was questioning his hearing to, but he reacts to noise. he will copy boysie sometimes. if i tell shadow to sit, boysie will automatically sit and sometimes the puppy will to. if i call the puppy boysie will come (jealousy?) and sometimes shadow will follow. by braindead i actually mean brain damaged through trama or malnutrition. i intend to persevere unless it gets to the stage where i think he is a danger.f ive months is still young, and maybe its not fair to compare him to my other dog. boysie is the type of dog that is so eager to please that you could train him to do anything. i think i need to stop expecting shadow to be 'normal' and adjust the training with that in mind. i intend to sign on at the dog site that debbie recomended and see if i get some help full hints. thanx for all the imput guys. it helped to vent on the subject.
     
  21. meandog

    meandog Specialist

    Thats why i recommended the kennel
    You will have to take away his freedom and make him earn it back.
    If a dog has run free and does whatever it wants that is all it knows how to do
    You need to seperate them and there will be less training time.
    There will also be less vet bills ( fights )
    I think you can do it just dont get in a hurry and you will have a friend for life.
     
  22. CaNoFzOo

    CaNoFzOo Sergeant Major

    That sounds kind of mean....
     
  23. Care Bear

    Care Bear Private E-2

    Kennel training is, in my opinion, a very good thing. If you have ever read a dog training book and actually tried to train a dog, you will learn that the kennel gives your pet a "safe" place. They need that. Eventually, you can even leave the door to the kennel open and they will still go in it to sleep because they feel secure there. So, no, it is not mean to put the dog in a kennel. It is also very helpful with housebreaking them.
     
  24. Freddy

    Freddy Sergeant

    Lazy and doesnt' respond. Maybe he thinks he's a cat. I recommend psychological exam.
     
  25. laurieB

    laurieB MajorGeek

    lmao......
     

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