Giving up

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Kestrel13!, Jun 22, 2014.

  1. Kestrel13!

    Kestrel13! Super Malware Fighter - Major Dilemma Staff Member

    Smoking has been my best friend for years and years, but it has also been my own worst enemy. Time's up. I gotta quit. And I'm scared!!! I've smoked for 20 years straight with no break in between and no attempts to quit because then the thought of quitting was laughable. LOL

    Any advice? I'm going to be like a howling banshee before long.
     
  2. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    I have no advice I can give you, but just wanted to say Good for you, girl! I think there have been a few in here who have quit, so hopefully they can offer some sage words of advice.
     
  3. blatherbeard

    blatherbeard Specialist

    Congrats and Good luck!
     
  4. gman863

    gman863 MajorGeek

    In most people, nicotine withdrawal is what makes people freak out. Even though tobacco is considered a "habit", so are cocaine, meth and pain pills. In simple terms, your brain is screaming like a spoiled child who just found his trust fund of nicotine has run dry.

    I have been chewing nicotine gun off and on for the past twenty years. Remember: Nicotine, while what addicts people to tobacco, has few (if any) major health risks, much like caffeine. It is the smoke, tar, formalahyde and other nasty s**t that gums up your lungs and increases the risks of cancer, heart attack and stroke.

    If your smoking is largely triggered by stress or anxiety (as mine was), the gum or e-cigs are both worth a try.

    Stay away from Chantix. I tried if for a week and was nauseated the entire time (not to mention the bad dreams that made "Helter Skelter" sound and feel like a Winnie-The-Pooh book. :drool).

    Good luck with whatever methods work for you. :clap
     
  5. Anon-9aee479f8f

    Anon-9aee479f8f Anonymized

    Good luck! Hope you kick the habit!
     
  6. lbmest

    lbmest MajorGeek

    Hey Kes good on you for making the decision to try to quit. That is the most important part of the process.

    October 24, 2013 was my quit date after almost 35 years of 2 pack a day and 5 years of 1 pack a day smoking.
    Tried the gum several years ago and that was a no winner.
    Tried the e-cig (Blue) and that was a little better but did not give the satisfaction of a real drag off a cigarette so also a no go.
    Tried the chantix for 3 months. 2 months as I cut down from 1/2 pack a day to 5 a day and then 1 month of no smoking. That did the trick.
    But - and this is/was the real trick for me - I had to break the little trigger habits that indicate a cigarette was needed. Had to vary my schedule as much as I could, stay away from smoking areas and people and no drinking alcohol.
    I had none of the nausea and dream/sleep problems that others have had as side effects. It would seem to vary with each person's biochemistry so you won't know til you try it.

    Please do try to give quitting a fair trial if at all possible. There are support groups available (at least in the US) so use those resources.

    Good Luck.
     
  7. joffa

    joffa Major Geek's Official Birthday Announcer

    Hey Kes, I quit when they went from 34c a pack to 36c because I wanted to buy my first house. That was 37 years ago (I finally quit at 22). I used to smoke two packs a day of Rothmans unfiltered or Camel unfiltered. The hardest thing for me was standing at the bar having a beer with the boys and glass in one hand and fag in the other (oops fag has another meaning these days LOL). My strategy was to go to bistros or lounges where you can sit as I tended not to smoke when I was sitting and not holding a beer. I only had one lapse for a few months but I'm glad I stuck it out and beat the habit. Luckily I had only been smoking for 6 years so going cold turkey wasn't too bad most of the time. The only time I would absolutely kill for a smoke was when I was at the pub with a beer in my hand otherwise the craving wasn't too bad. rolleyes
    The best thing about giving up is you can smell and taste things so much better and if you get a minor cold you aren't left gasping for breath after a coughing fit.
    My advice is if your habit is really strong consider nicotine patches to ease the craving caused by addiction. My youngest brother is an Approach Air Traffic Controller and he has smoked 2 packs of 20 (now 2 packs of 30) a day all his life and the closest he came to giving up was when he was on the patches. He is only 52 and already he is having health issues caused by smoking and his doctors have been telling him to stop for the last 10 years.
    Good luck and stay positive:-D:cool
     
  8. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    I smoked for over 50 years......and I started smoking the e-vapor sticks. That allowed me to quit cold turkey. I smoke the lowest nicotine solution they make. It was relatively easy, except in times of stress when I craved but didn't smoke a cig.

    You can do it!!!
     
  9. Kestrel13!

    Kestrel13! Super Malware Fighter - Major Dilemma Staff Member

    Thanks guys. I'm on my last packet of tobacco. *Nurses it in my arms* I'm gonna be hell to live with, kick and scream all the way, but I am determined. My Father has just had his voice box removed (Laryngectomy) and I do not want to end up having to go thru similar one day. Yes, I have some patches, some nicotine tablets and an e vape. So all that, combined with some kick a$$ will power and I should be all set.
     
  10. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    You go girl!! ;)
     
  11. hitest

    hitest Staff Sergeant

    Good for you! I was a smoker 31 years ago in my 20s. I'm glad I quit. Go for it. Maybe try to use a nicotine patch or gum if you find the cravings get too strong
     
  12. Oldphil

    Oldphil Sergeant

    Two years ago at age 71 after smoking since I was a preteen I got lung cancer, so I quit using a group called Lazer Ray. That worked for about eight months, then the Chemo blues got to me not knowing if I would be hanging around or not. My other half nearly crucified me for going back on the butts, I smoked up until about six weeks ago then just could not stand it anymore. My breathing was getting bad, I stunk of smoke and burned holes in my clothing also food had less taste. I went to a hypnotist cost me two bills but so far so good, I feel it was a bit easier this time. I have more stamina, food tastes good again and I don't stink of smoke. I was only smoking one pack a day but with the cost over ten bucks I have saves a bundle and could if I wish buy a new car and not miss the monthly $$$$$!

    P.S. My mood is not that bad a little jumpy yes but tolerable!

    Phil
     
  13. joffa

    joffa Major Geek's Official Birthday Announcer

    Gee that's bad news about your dad. I hope he is OK. My uncle died of lung cancer 8 years ago due to his constant heavy smoking and also my aunty, who has never smoked herself, has lung cancer from all the years of passive smoking caused by my uncle smoking inside the house.
    Go for it Kes and the kick a$$ willpower is the most important part of the equation :-D
    Again good luck because I know you have a difficult path ahead ;):cool
     
  14. Just Playin

    Just Playin MajorGeek

    Don't give up no matter how rough it gets. Remember, quitters never win.;)
     
  15. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    Kes, congrats, glad to see you try.
    You have to want to quit to do it.

    As a former smoker for 20 years, it is not easy. But, it is not as hard as you think it will be. I quit cold turkey. Not sure how you plan on doing it.

    Pulling for you Kes! If I can help in any way shape or fashion, send me a PM.

    :major
     
  16. Spad

    Spad MajorGeek

    Good for you, Kestrel13!

    I smoked for 26 years. I tried to quit a few times but was never successful . . . because I was trying when other people wanted me to, not myself. It was only when I decided to quit that I was able to. You are halfway there already in that you are making the decision. Trust me, if I can do it, you can. I was like a monkey on a cupcake when it came to cigarettes. It's the best decision I ever made. I'm sorry to hear of your father's situation.

    Not going to lie, it's not an easy thing to do at all. I had to use nicotine gum or I think I might have failed in the long run. But I put the cigs down in Dec of 2002, and never picked them up again. I used the gum for a while, and gradually got off that as well. I've been nicotine free since early 2004.

    Something I had not thought of before were the physical actions of smoking. One of my big problems was not having anything to do with my hands. The nicotine cravings can be taken care of with gum, patches, etc. . . . but I believe the physical actions involved with smoking are at least half of the overall habit you have to break.

    What I feel helped me over the hump was taking a white bic pen barrel and cutting it down to the exact length of a cigarette. I know it sounds stupid, but it really did help me to have this placebo cigarette in my pocket I could take out and hold whenever the cravings hit me, or when I was just nervous/bored/upset. After a few months I stopped carrying it around and just used the gum, but I truly believe it helped me break the physical habits involved with smoking.

    You can do this . . . we are all rooting for you to succeed. :)

    P.S. Oh, one more thing that worked for me . . . when the cravings would get really bad, I'd go outside and take three or four deep breaths. I'm talking as much air as you can fit in your lungs. That would usually make the urge vanish or at least more managable.
     
    Last edited: Jun 23, 2014
  17. Jackson2014

    Jackson2014 Private E-2

    Way to go. Just remember that there is no such thing as failure. There is only the choice to either give up or keep trying until you succeed. Whatever the outcome, if you don't give up, you will eventually succeed. ...... If you don't already know about it (and there are other related programs available out there, usually in your local community), there is a Nicotine Anonymous program that you might find helpful.


     
  18. Oldphil

    Oldphil Sergeant

    So give it up how are you DOING!!!
     
  19. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    WOW Emms

    Good for you and it does reduce some medical issues, as for one eyes are affected by smoking by 40% risk for AMRD, you stop and the risk is 0%.

    I don't smoke and never have but best advice is I hope you have good friends that can be supportive, don't eat sweets as a friend of mine did when she stopped smoking and put on weight, not that a year layer she is FAT as he does kick boxing and beat my *** up!

    You may try http://www.nhs.uk/livewell/smoking/Pages/stopsmokingnewhome.aspx see if locally you have a group, in Liverpool we do as Roy Castle centre is close to my work and they do superb work with smokers.

    Wish you well with this Emma and anything I can do to help just holler.
     
  20. Kestrel13!

    Kestrel13! Super Malware Fighter - Major Dilemma Staff Member

    Thanks everyone for all the information, advice, and kind/encouraging words!

    You want honest? I know you people want honesty, so here we go. I'm sat here with a big fat cancer stick hanging out my mouth as I type. :(:-D

    My Father will be home and settled soon, in less than a weeks time. So that's when I will be going cold turkey. And yes, cold turkey really is the best way to go when dealing with substance addiction of most kinds. Nip it straight in the bud, no messing. No weaning down. Well, this works for some but not for me)

    It's damn hard.
     
  21. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    Nicotine is what you are craving, so fire up that e-vapor. Toss the cigs.
     
  22. DOA

    DOA MG's Loki

    Do it Kes.
    Ton of good advice posted above.
    When Wifey quit there were times she need the support of another. She always found it. If you feel weak, get up and talk to someone.
     
  23. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    It ain't easy, but when you are ready to quit, I think you will do just fine. Cold turkey is the way to go IMHO. No patch, no drugs, just one week of holy hell. :-D

    It is worth it to me, I love being a non-smoker. I do enjoy a nice cigar 2 or 3 times a year.
     
  24. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    You know what? You are one of my favorite people on here...no lie. I think what we see here is what we'd see if we met you.

    I love that you came back on here and told it straight out.

    I agree with Fred. When you are ready, you'll do it!
     
  25. Kestrel13!

    Kestrel13! Super Malware Fighter - Major Dilemma Staff Member

    Thanks Fred, cold turkey is the only best way to go IMO.

    Nice one Laura! I have always been honest and you're right, what you see here in the forums is what you'd get out of me in real life.
    I would love to go cold turkey with this, but I think I'm going to wimp out a level or two and go for one an hour. Starting from Friday! :)
     
  26. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    One thing that helped me before I went cold turkey was smoking whenever I wanted, but writing down the time. I was amazed at how often I thought it had been 30 mins since my last smoke, and it was only 10 mins or so. Once you start dropping the smoking down to one an hour or less, you will really feel the nicotine addiction. When I did that, I was dizzy when I smoked, wanting a cig other times, never really happy.

    Again, you can do it! :major
     
  27. oma

    oma MajorGeek

    Since you have received so excellent advice there is not much that I can add to it.

    Whenever the urge to smoke hits, such as after dinner etc., do something else instead - for instance go for a walk. Avoid stressful events if that causes you to lit a ciggie, don't grab a ciggie when talking on the phone etc.

    Wishing you lots of strength and determination E!! You can do it!
     
  28. blatherbeard

    blatherbeard Specialist

    You can doo eeeet!!

    :)
     
  29. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    :-d:-d
     
  30. Spad

    Spad MajorGeek

    How's it going, lady?

    Don't let any relapses discourage you. I know you are planning to quit cold turkey, and more power to you in that decision. I couldn't quit cold turkey. . . I just didn't have the grit. I did try to limit my gum usage, but found having the nicotine helped me over some really rough patches. Quitting smoking is an ongoing fight. It isn't easy, and it isn't fun. I had countless defeats, and I had countless victories. But it's worth it. Plus, you have more cash for beer! (Well, that was a big incentive for me, anyway :-D)

    Hang in there, lady. :) As my Great Grandfather once said about a hard fight; "It isn't easy, and there aren't any parades when you win. But . . . you won, and that's worth any number of parades."
     
  31. Rikky

    Rikky Wile E. Coyote - One of a kind

    Am I late to the party?:cool

    Smoked on and off for over a decade, quit last Christmas and haven't had one since.

    Don't use E cigs they don't work, I tried one for a month then got bored and just started smoking again, use the strongest patches first and follow the program and finish it.

    Quit alcohol also until you're off the patches or you'll smoke when drunk. Cut your caffeine back to just regular tea or herbal tea/ caffeine free as caffeine combines with nicotine in the body to create a different long lasting nicotinycaffeiny type drug is the technical term which is why they go so well together. Don't hang around anyone that smokes. Start exercising or doing something that gets you out of breath, this worked for me as it made me realise how unfit I was. Create fitness goals, again this is what worked for me as my fitness goals and smoking clashed, I tried running for the first time in a decade last January and felt a massive pain in my chest and nearly died lol.

    Don't smoke while on the patches.

    Talk to your Doctor and have a full health workup, bloods, kidney,liver, ECG, cardio vascular health,lung capacity ect.ect. Why not we get it for free :-D You can also get the pathes for free off the doctor and help and support quitting.And be honest about your health and fitness. This motivated me greatly also knowing I had a plan and my doctor was helping. Don't under estimate how hard of a challenge your about to under take and make sure every fiber of your being wants it.

    Buy yourself some 70-85% cocoa chocolate I like green and blacks organic from ASDA, after meal drink your hot drink, make sure it's microwaved hot and have a few bricks of chocolate as your treat instead of a cig.

    Good luck Emma,
     
    Last edited: Jul 7, 2014
  32. Gensuknives

    Gensuknives Grand pooty-meister

    Like you, my father had a laryngectomy from cancer along with a radical neck dissection. He died less than 2 years later from metastases. He was a great man.

    I smoked 2+ packs a day from age 20 to 50 (mostly at night when waiting to deliver babies and from boredom). Tried to quit many times. Loved smoking.
    Really loved it.

    Tried a psychiatrist friend's hypnosis routine of self-hypnosis. Didn't work for stopping smoking, but I can go to sleep on a dime in a hurricane.

    Finally began showing signs of emphysema and COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease). Went through a nasty divorce and stress and decided to try to live longer than my dad (he died at 62).

    Long story short...... a California hypnosis group came to Houston monthly and held sessions for smoking cessation and obesity. I went. One hour later one evening I threw a gold Dunhill lighter out the window on the freeway and have never touched another cigarette. Group hypnosis. Inexpensive. Their number then was 1-800-4habits. Don't know if they are still doing it, but it worked for me. And that was 24 years ago.

    Best of luck with your quest. You deserve the best.
     
  33. Kestrel13!

    Kestrel13! Super Malware Fighter - Major Dilemma Staff Member

    I've been run off my feet busy guys but as soon as I get chance I'm going to update you all. And Rikky, I still owe you an email dude :-D
     
  34. Phantom

    Phantom Brigadier Britches

    I meant to say earlier, Emms - Good deal on giving up the fags.:) It aint as easy as some people think, for a number of reasons. Gook luck with that, my friend.:)
     
  35. Kestrel13!

    Kestrel13! Super Malware Fighter - Major Dilemma Staff Member

    Thanks ever so much for all the advices & kind words, folks!

    Well my Dad is home after having had over a month in hospital to have his operation and recover. Despite the fact I can see the HOLE in his throat that he now breathes from - and it scares me to hell to think I could end up like that if I carry on, I'm STILL smoking. But I have cut down alot. I am a natural chain smoker. I could go without a lighter, and just light the next offa the previous. LOL Instead of smoking one after te other literally, I have tested myself and can go two hours without one.

    I think I agree with you Rikky that the e cigs aint no good. They are too dry and make me cough. Yea I *could* go cold turkey if I wanted but I figured why give myself extra layers of stress. One every two hours is a damn good start. But I'm going to be honest and say that's not what I've been sticking to. One day on a visit to the hospital before Dad came home, I only smoked three in 5 hours. Other times like today, I've been chaining again.

    Jeez it's one of the hardest things in the world to do isn't it? I keep finding excuses to keep smoking. I'm a sad little rasta girl. LOL
     
  36. hitest

    hitest Staff Sergeant

    Don't beat up on yourself over this. Yep. Smoking is very hard to kick. Take pride in the fact that you're now able to cut down a bit. You're on the right track. Little by little, you'll get there. :)
     
  37. joffa

    joffa Major Geek's Official Birthday Announcer

    Keep going Kes you can do it ;)

    Don't end up like my younger brother whom I mentioned earlier in the thread. Yesterday he got some bad news, his xrays are showing a growth and a shadow in one lung and now they want to do a biopsy to work out how malignant it is. His doctors have been telling him to stop smoking for at least 10 years. My brother is only 52 and otherwise quite fit although recently has at odd times had difficulty breathing due to a pain in the chest and now we know why. The pains in his chest were the only reason he was getting things checked out because in his own words, "I couldn't be sick because they would pick it up in my annual Air Traffic Control full medical checkup!" In this case they had been overlooking it because he could still pass the exercises and the run on the treadmill so they didn't mention it for the last few years as they said that was his own doctor's responsibility :(

    I am sending you positive thoughts of you can do it Kes........ dunno if it helps but surely it can't hurt ;)
    Best wishes to you and your dad too :cool
     
  38. Kestrel13!

    Kestrel13! Super Malware Fighter - Major Dilemma Staff Member

    I have managed to cut down. Today I went 4 full hours without a smoke. I was aiming for 2 hours so there we go. :-D

    I am very sorry to hear about your brother, joffa. Is he going to go thru with the biopsy? It must be a scary time, my thoughts are with you. :)
     
  39. Kestrel13!

    Kestrel13! Super Malware Fighter - Major Dilemma Staff Member

    :*** Rikky, one thing at a time man roflmao You crack me up. You're actually RIGHT, I should quit caffeine too, but I'm afraid if I did that at the same time as battling the smoke, I might wind up being sectioned.
     
  40. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    Just keep with it Kestrel. I think it took me 3 tries to actually quit. Deciding you need to quit is the first step!
     
  41. joffa

    joffa Major Geek's Official Birthday Announcer

    Good on you Kes just take little steps and keep going forward ;):cool

    Yeah the biopsy has to happen because the specialists have to decide whether they will give chemotherapy only or chemotherapy plus radiation treatment or quite possibly surgery plus all of the above. He goes in next week. We have been expecting something like this for a quite a while now :( His doctors warned about the likelihood of this scenario 10 years ago but he refused to listen because his friend's mother smokes like a chimney and drinks like a fish and she is 97 years old and still quite healthy so he believes it is OK and smoking just has bad PR rolleyes

    Thanks for the kind thoughts :-D
     
  42. Rikky

    Rikky Wile E. Coyote - One of a kind

    It depends on you I guess, if you can drink coffee without reaching for a smoke have at it, if you can't might be worth considering cutting caffeine back first.

    Also if you don't cut caffeine back you'll end up being anxious due to the way thew two drugs interact, which will make you want a smoke more.

    http://www.killthecan.org/additional-resources/the-caffeine-nicotine-interaction/

    EDIT when I was quitting I cut back to one or two 'literally' cups of tetley tea just enough to stop caffeine withdrawal but no coffee, if I'd have had coffee I would have wanted a smoke.

    Just saying:-D
     
  43. dyamond

    dyamond Imelda Marcos of Majorgeeks

    I have the solution for you, Kes, just have someone kidnap you and lock you in a basement for a month. When they finally let you, you'll have squashed those cravings. :-D :-D

    All joking aside, I don't smoke but my sister does and I've watched her struggle on the stop smoking merry go round. It's not easy but it's worth it. You can do girl! ;)
     
  44. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    You need a milder solution. I first tried the 12 percent and it was too strong. The 6 percent was just right. I don't worry about the fact that I am getting nicotine as long as I'm not getting the other crap in cigs. So you might want to try a milder solution, Emma.
     
  45. Kestrel13!

    Kestrel13! Super Malware Fighter - Major Dilemma Staff Member

    This is what I need!! No kidding LOL

    I have still been smoking far too much and not making enough effort to cut down. As from now it's one an hour...then soon one every two and so forth.
     
  46. oma

    oma MajorGeek

    E., here's an (American) link that may help you to stop smoking. Lots of tips.

    http://smokefree.gov/

    I did quit successfully for 2 years and went back to it after a severe stress event. My hubby smokes so these ciggies were/are always available. :( I have been and am using nicorette inhaler but still have abt 3 ciggies daily which I know is not advisable to use both. Every day I promise myself to quit but really doing it is the crunch.

    Wishing you the best of luck hon!
     
  47. Oldphil

    Oldphil Sergeant

    On my end so far so good! I quit when I got cancer, had the operation/chemo and made it eight moths then fell back into the smoke pit! Life is a bioch!!! Seven weeks ago did the hypnotist thing so far so good, I had to quit again because I could hardly breath in the AM. Girl you do not want to go through the drill I went through!! I am now stopping to say a prayer that you beat it also!

    Phil
     
  48. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    Come on Kes, doesn't that motivate you to be a quitter. :-D:-D

    Keep on trying, you can do it.
     
  49. joffa

    joffa Major Geek's Official Birthday Announcer

    Remember Kes you are a mother now........ think about Misty ;)

    Seriously though, keep going Kes and if you need some more motivation why not print out some cancer throat surgery pics or cancer lung surgery pics and put them where you can regularly see them ........ and when you see them, just think that those pics could be me in a few short years ;)
     
  50. Imandy Mann

    Imandy Mann MajorGeekolicious

    I used 3 different vapor/e-cig products since Dec2013. Actually smoked for only 1 week since then. Flavored cigarillos my usual. After 1 week I went back to vapor. Don't even want smokes. My sense of smell and taste returned in about 4 days. I couldn't believe how good food smelled when it's cooking. And now cigerrettes smell awful. Good Luck!!
     

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