Will bad switch kill "power good" signal

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by DCO57, Feb 11, 2005.

  1. DCO57

    DCO57 Private E-2

    I'm working on a system with no power, no spinning fans, no POST beep(s).The green LED is lite on the mobo.The owner says it was hit with a lightning spike during a storm while she was online.
    The modem is slightly melted (which I pulled) Its a Dell Dimension 8200. The obvious choice is a dead PSU (meter shows no correct voltages). The funny thing is...the owner already replaced the PSU. Its a DELL, which are often proprietory, and although the "new" PSU doesn't say "DELL" (like the old one did) she cliams she got it from the Dell store.

    It wouldn't be the first time I installed a brand new part that was bad (which REALLY confuses the troubleshooting process). But theres one little thing that has me puzzled. The power button on the case...usually you feel a definate "click" when you push it. This one doesn't. I once had a bad power button that I had to replace (which is hard to do without buying a whole new case).

    This brings me to my point...if the power botton doesn't make proper contact, will the mobo still signal the PSU (via the "PS_ON", "Power_Good" or "+5VSB standby" lines) to send power?

    My next step will be to remove the PSU, jump start it (placing a "dummy" load on it), then reading the voltages. But maybe I should just go get a Dell compatible PSU (but they aren't returnable, so I want to be sure first).

    If a bad power button is (or could be) the problem, is there a way to bypass it ...basically shorting it to signal the mobo to start the PSU?
     
  2. Major Attitude

    Major Attitude Co-Owner MajorGeeks.Com Staff Member

    Wow! Thats all I can say. A electrical surge can kill anything, so you have a HUGE problem. I would look first at the power supply, then the hard drive. Anything beyond that (motherboard and chip) and its cheaper to buy a new computer.

    A bad power button? A click is not needed really. Anyhow, it is pretty unlikely and fairly easy to check since you just need to make sure it works and is making contact when pressed.

    Tell this person to buy a surge strip and\or learn to shut down during storms.
     
  3. foogoo

    foogoo Major "foogoo" Geek

    Seein as that thing was hit by lightning - I'd say it is fried.. that modem got the brunt of the juice, but I'd say the mobo got it also. But to continue your trouble shooting try this: trace the switch from the front case to the mobo..(I doubt you'll find the mobo documentation with the pin outs).. in most PCs I have assembled that switch connects 2 posts on the mobo. Pull that connector off. Now what you have to do is momentarily make contact between those to boot. I use a jumper, clipped in hemostats - push it on for a second and pull it off.
     
  4. goldfish

    goldfish Lt. Sushi.DC

    If you want to test the PSU, find the green wire on the ATX-type connector (the one that goes to the mobo) and short it with one of the black ones.

    This is how you do it for most normal ATX supplies, but I'm not sure about a dell one.
     
  5. scorcer

    scorcer ajMro keGe

    Hi
    I noticed you are dealing with a DELL
    I have a DELL that I had to put together, I got a lot of help here

    http://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/

    DELL Documentation here--

    http://support.dell.com/support/top...duct_support_hub?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~ck=mn

    If you want to post at the forum, you have to register, but the guys there, are like the guys here, except at the Dell forum they specifically deal with DELLs, they are all users helping users. I had a box of parts, no case, just innards,I supplied the "parts list", and the guys there nailed my machine within 12 hours, with links for assembly for the DELL Doc. site
    Be advised though, the Forum is at DELL, but it IS NOT manned by DELL

    The 2nd link is DELL support, this is where you will find all the schematics for a DELL, including power values and mobo plug map.

    Good Luck :)

    P.S.< I didn't even know the model, age, etc., all I knew was that it was a DELL
     
    Last edited: Feb 11, 2005
  6. ACE 256

    ACE 256 MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Overclocking Expe

    Shorting the green wire on the main ATX connecter to a black ground wire will turn on the PSU ( some times you half to hold it shorted for the PSU to work )
     
  7. goldfish

    goldfish Lt. Sushi.DC

    ...
    ;)
     
  8. ACE 256

    ACE 256 MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Overclocking Expe

    :D :cool: ......
     

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