My computer keeps getting very sluggish

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by Denise_M, Jun 29, 2007.

  1. Wizzy

    Wizzy Private E-2

    Its not thats anything is wrong with it, the nForce 410 I/O processor is slow when writting large volumes of data into the memory
     
  2. Denise_M

    Denise_M MajorGeek

    Would you give me a little more info?


    Are you referring to my CPU? If not, then what? Is it slow because I don't have enough memory?



    Do you mean my RAM (I have 2x1G twin sticks)? or the other kind of memory? If the other kind of memory, how can I increase it/can it be increased?
     
  3. Denise_M

    Denise_M MajorGeek

    I got partially there tonight.

    I installed the FDD and it works great. I don't get a green light when it has a disc in it but I can write to the disc.

    I downloaded the BIOS for the TForce 1600-939 and put it directly onto a floppy. With the disc still in the drive, I rebooted and pressed DEL to go into CMOS and BIOS.

    First, I went into BIOS to tell it to detect the floppy drive because I had it disabled. Next, I changed the boot sequence so that the first boot device would be the floppy drive, the second would be the DVD drive and the third would be the hdd. I rebooted, pressed DEL to go into CMOS, and chose the BIOS Setup Flash Utility. The computer started to read the file on the floppy, but about 10 second later, it gave me the message:

    I tried it 3 times and each time it didn't work.

    But I wrote down the original setup when I first had everything installed, before the SATA card blew my PSU and FDD. They were:

    IDE Channel 0 Master [BENQ DVD DDDW165}\]
    . . . . . . . . . . 0 Slave [None]
    . . . . . . . . . . 1 Master [None]
    IDE Channel 2 Master [ST3320620AS]
    . . . . . . . . . . 3 Master [None]

    At the time, Walter had said that they were exactly the way they should be. After the SATA card blew the floppy drive, I had to set it so that the DVD drive was the first drive in the sequence and my hard drive as second, until I could get another floppy drive.

    At that time, the setup became:

    IDE Channel 0 Master [BENQ DVD DDDW165}\]
    . . . . . . . . . . 0 Slave [None]
    . . . . . . . . . . 1 Master [None]
    IDE Channel 2 Master [None]
    . . . . . . . . . . 3 Master [ST3320620AS]

    I can't seem to change it so that IDE Channel 2 Master becomes [ST3320620AS] and 3 Master becomes [None].

    When I reboot, I have to remove the disc from the floppy drive and it says

    and it continues to boot up.

    Does anyone have any ideas?
     
  4. Denise_M

    Denise_M MajorGeek

    I just checked Disk Management and my floppy drive isn't there. Could that be the reason why I'm having the problem? I can write to a floppy and open and print a file, and it's recognized by My Computer, but not in Disk Management.
     
  5. baklogic

    baklogic The Tinkerer

    The floppy drive is recognised in My Computer, and it will not show in disk management- that is the way it should be.
    When you go to My Computer, Devices, does the floppy disc controller show, also, under the floppy-?-
    The Bios download may have been corrupy- it happens-
    Right click the floppy drive with the disc in it, and choose format (quick will do-fat 32 will do- the Bios file will load again, but ---Re - download it, and extract to the floppy, and try again.
    I waited for Wizzy to tell you what he knew about the southbridge, before coming back.
    I will have alook, but he is telling you that the nforce southbridge chipset is a slow device when it comes to a lot of copying- nothing to do with Ram, or, CPU.
    ALSO WHEN DOWNLOADING THE BIOS, JUST FOR THE ACTUAL DOWNLOAD TIME, DISABLE YOUR ANTIVIRUS, BUT COME STRAIGHT OFF THE NET, WHEN THE DOWNLOAD HAS FINISHED, AND LEAVE IT OFF WHEN EXTRACTING TO THE FLOPPY.
     
    Last edited: Aug 3, 2007
  6. baklogic

    baklogic The Tinkerer

    I see you enabled the floppy disc controller in the Bios.
    You have reformatted a few times since first problems, so, I woul not worry about the channel that you hard drive is on, as it is recognised, and working.
    If you still have problems loading a freshly downloaded updated Bios, then we may have to look into it further.
    The boot cd message comes up because that is the next place you have told it to look (floppy, CD, HARD DRIVE.)
     
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  7. Denise_M

    Denise_M MajorGeek

    Thanks for this info.



    Yes, and a screenshot is attached, in case I missed something.


    I formatted the disc, turned of Avast and downloaded a new copy of the BIOS update, tried to load it but it didn't work. I got the message that it failed. I rebooted and turned Avast on again.

    When I tried to upload the screenshot that's located in C:My Documents. . .\My Pictures, I received a message that said that

    "The disc in drive A is not formatted. Would you like to format it now?"

    I formatted it before I downloaded the new BIOS file. I received the same message last night, and I had formatted the disc prior to downloading the BIOS file at that time also. It sounds like my computer is confused.
     

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  8. baklogic

    baklogic The Tinkerer

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  9. baklogic

    baklogic The Tinkerer

    The second link tells you about saving the iso and acting as A. drive as needed.
     
  10. Denise_M

    Denise_M MajorGeek

    I Googled my mobo and I came up with this info. I don't know what the abbreviations stand for so I can't do anything with it, but does it make sense? Is the info correct?

    Also, I don't have a dual core processor, but my mobo has dual channels. I swapped the RAM around several different ways and I didn't see a difference between having the RAM in slots 1 and 2, slots 1 and 3, or slots 2 and 4.

    I attached a screenshot of different CPU Arithmatic Benchmark. My CPU came in last.
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  11. baklogic

    baklogic The Tinkerer

    To run at dual channel, all the boards that I have seen/used have the memory in alternate channels, and are coloured to indicate it.
    In adjacent channels, or, in three slots runs a single fsb.
    If your memory is not in dual channel mode then transferring data will be slower.
    You have Everest, look in the ram section, and see if it is running in dual channel- it will show, and fsb (front side bus speed).
     
  12. baklogic

    baklogic The Tinkerer

    Overclocking is, at present, one of the things I have left alone, and might do soon.
    The information is a bit sketchy , but more or, les tells you- but I would look at majorgeeks overclocking forum, first, if you want to go into that - My advice, is , not yet. Get more confident with what you have learned to date, then look into it - later.
    But the memory in the correct slots will make a difference- you can try copying it in dual channel (alternate slots) and see if it shows up , then, as quicker- I am sure it will- That is assuming the ram is in the wrong slots, at the moment.
     
    Last edited: Aug 3, 2007
  13. baklogic

    baklogic The Tinkerer

    To test your floppy drive controller , you could try a 98se startup disc, but then shut down, and remove it- you can download that from bootdisk.com.
    If it loads, and goes through its motions, and finishes with the A: prompt, you know its not :crap
     
  14. Denise_M

    Denise_M MajorGeek

    My mobo has colored indicated slots, but when I changed them around, there was no increase in speed. I also removed the 2x528M twin sticks of RAM because someone mentioned that the computer will "choose" the smallest RAM.

    Right now, I have the RAM in slots 1 and 2, which aren't dual core.

    I downloaded and ran a Computer Overview with SandraLite. The screenshot shows a warning but, as usual, I don't know how to fix what's wrong.

    Also, I'm attaching a screenshot of the floppy error message that I continue to get when I upload or download. I don't have a disc in the floppy drive but it asks me if I want to format the disc in the drive.

    baklogic, I'm sorry to take up so much of your time.
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  15. baklogic

    baklogic The Tinkerer

    Is the fine coloured line on the same side as the power connection on the floppy drive- you could try changing it over- remember you first attempt with it.
     
  16. baklogic

    baklogic The Tinkerer

    You meant to say dual channel, I believe.:D
    You reading of dc, and dvd rom drive speeds does not seem right, as I thought it said 1 x , on both. For the Ram, go to the first thing at the top, in Everest, and click it to give you the full spec of the system, or in the motherboard section, click on the ram, or spd, and see what it says about your ram- you should see two seperate memory sticks at the top, and if you click on the second one it will say what it is/doing.
    if you take your time reading through the Everest sections, you will be surprised what you will understand.
    With sysoft, and Everest, you look down the bottom, and it will give hints/tips on improvements- if it does not, then you cannot do anything.
     
  17. Denise_M

    Denise_M MajorGeek

    You're right . . . right now my brain is mush.

    I went to bootdisk.com. I had a formatted disc in my floppy drive. I downloaded 98SE. The 3 screenshots will show you what happened. I guess my 3rd new floppy drive :crap
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  18. baklogic

    baklogic The Tinkerer

    Did you try turning wide (IDE) lead over, at the back of the floppy ?
     
  19. baklogic

    baklogic The Tinkerer

    It is more likely the floppy disc controller on the motherboard-
    But can you try it on another computer, otherwise? to check that the floppy drive is the culprit.
     
  20. baklogic

    baklogic The Tinkerer

    I will look back in tommorrow, as its 23.09 in U.K now.
    Try the leads on the floppy.
     
  21. Denise_M

    Denise_M MajorGeek

    Ok, I have some more pictures . . . thank God for screenshots because a picture tells a thousand words and I wouldn't know how to put the findings into words.

    The first attachment shows that Everest can't run on my pc, but it came up with all the results anyway . . . these types of contradictions are normal for my computer.
    The second attachment shows the memory in my pc and it looks like the useage is very small.

    The third attachment shows Memory Modules A1 and A3.

    Everything seems to be right with my computer but everything is also wrong.
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  22. Denise_M

    Denise_M MajorGeek

    I don't know what this is. How is it done?

    I still have my old pc that I might be able to try the FDD on. I'm no longer sure what it can do. If the floppy disc controller is bad, what can I do?
     
  23. Denise_M

    Denise_M MajorGeek

    The only FSB that I could find in the Everest report was
    CPU Speed:
    - CPU Clock 1999.48 MHz
    - CPU Multiplier 10.0x
    - CPU FSB 199.95 MHz (original: 200 MHz)



    You asked me to

    When I click on RAM, nothing happens. I can't find a page that has info that can be found when an icon is clicked.

    I know that I'm overburdening you with my pc problems, baklogic, so I hope someone will jump in and help.



    I ran an "Analysis and Device" using SiSoftware Sandra on my pc. These are the main problems that it found/problems that can be fixed.


    MAINBOARD CONFIGURATION

    Tip T212 - The BIOS can be shadowed. Shadowing is a technique of copying the BIOS program from slow EPROM or EEPROM to RAM. This may yield some increase in performance.

    Fix: Go to BIOS set-up and make sure that System BIOS is both shadowed and cached.

    Tip T207 - A SMBIOS/DMI 2.3 compliant BIOS can allow the operating system and special programs to tune-up your system.

    Fix: Try to upgrade (flash) the BIOS if possible. Check whether a BIOS update is available from your main board/PC manufacturer.



    PROCESSORS

    Warning W235 - Processor core voltage (Vcore) is less than rated minimum. Unless the reported value is incorrect or the processor is a different type that is not correctly detected, the voltage is lower than it should be. If you’re under-clocking the processor you may have pushed too far.
    Under-clocking is a condition where the processor is operating below its frequency specification (rated speed). Sometimes the core voltage is decreased to reduce power dissipation.

    Fix: If the BIOS supports processor Vcore setting, check that the voltage programmed is correct for the processor installed. If not, check whether the mainboard supports the installed processor.



    BUSSES AND DEVICES

    Error E1200: PCI/AGP initialisation failed.

    Fix: Check that the program has initialised its device driver successfully; if correctly installed make sure you have administrator permissions that allow device driver registration/execution. Otherwise ask the administrator to set up the driver to load at boot.
    On old systems it is possible the PCI interface is not working correctly or it has not been enabled.



    SCSI DEVICES
    Warning W2600 - The SCSI device does not adhere to any of the ANSI standards (SCSI-1, SCSI-2, etc.)

    Fix: Generally ATA/ATAPI emulated by Windows generates this warning - this is normal - ATA/ATAPI devices do not adhere to SCSI. If it’s a SCSI device it must be rather old. All modern SCSI devices should support (at least) SCSI-2.

    Error E2601: No SCSI devices found on SCSI channel.

    Fix: If there are no SCSI devices installed on the channel this is fine. If there are devices connected, check that they are on-line and correctly configured for the channel.
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  24. Denise_M

    Denise_M MajorGeek

    Well, I've overcome one obstacle that I'm very happy about, and I think you'll be also. I was able to update the BIOS. When I formatted the disc, I used the "format as an "MS-DOS boot disk" option this last time. I turned off Avast and every other running program, downloaded the update to the floppy, restarted my computer and went into BIOS and it updated it. It's so nice to see something work right for a change *sigh*

    And it's Friday night so I can :celebrate :hyper :clap :guitar :D :drink :wine :foolish :celebrate :dood :heart :roflmao :highfive :foolish
     
  25. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    Way to go Denise! A floppy BIOS flash is not the easiest thing to do.

    Good to see you are going to eventually make 'Damion' work. I still think we need to water cool that 'puter with holy water...

    E:p
     
  26. ASUS

    ASUS MajorGeek


    Hello Denise
    Damn another long thread:cry

    I still use X64, works great! (I dual boot with XP pro;))

    For Registry cleaner, I use TweakNow ( I love it works great & is easy to use)
    http://majorgeeks.com/TweakNow_RegCleaner_Standard_d4134.html
    I set it too Expert mode and delete everything it finds Safe & unkown stuff
    _________________________________________
    Many 32bit programs work just fine with X64

    I had many problem's using Nvidia 93 drivers with both XP pro & X64 on several PC's (the latest ain"t the greatest)

    You need to be careful updating BIOS, Bios updates usually only help specific problems

    If your MOBO is supports dual channel read your MOBO manual it should provide specific instructions as to which memory slots should be used to achive dual channel mode.


    _________________________
    What are your PC's specs?

    After a Bios update your system BIOS will revert to Default settings, Default settings are usually not the best for performance.

    Here's a great Bios Optimization Guide: http://www.techarp.com/freebog.aspx
     
  27. Denise_M

    Denise_M MajorGeek

    Hi Asus :)

    Thanks for looking things over. I'm sorry that you had another book to read . . . :innocent . . . here's a box of tissues, only used once . . .

    The BIOS upgrade was for "Common Resolve compatibility issue with Nvidia 7950X2 PCI-E VGA card" so it seems that they're working on it. I'm not sure what Nvidia does inside my pc, but it seems like graphics. I can't change things right now until I get things sorted out first.

    All the updates. . . drivers, PCU firmware and BIOS were for Nvidia, audio and video

    Yesterday I downloaded 30-day trial versions of Registry Cleaner X64 and TuneUp Utilities 2007. They seem to work ok, but they have to be purchased. I just downloaded TweakNow and I'll give it a try later . . . free is always better :)

    My mobo is dual channel but my CPU isn't dual core. I read somewhere that a dual channel mobo isn't any good if the CPU isn't dual core. Maybe you can let me know if this is true or not.


    - Biostar TFORCE 6100-939 mobo which supports dual channel ddr
    - SATA
    - AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2.0GHz / 512KB Cache / 1000MHz FSB / Venice / Hyper-Transport / OEM / Socket 939 / Processor
    - 2x1G twin sticks RAM
    - Corsair 620W PSU
    - Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 SATA 3.0Gb/s 320-GB Hard Drive


    The Bios Optimization Guide was way over my head. I didn't know what to look up. What can I do about it?


    I had a question a few posts back about the assignment of Master and Slave in BIOS (or is it CMOS)?

    How do I go about changing it to the way it should be?

    If you can help me with one or two of these problems, I'd appreciate it . . . baklogic would too . . . the poor man, I'm working him to the bone!
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  28. Denise_M

    Denise_M MajorGeek

    Fred, remember . . . the name of my computer is now Gideon. Damien is gone and will be forgotten as soon as is humanly possible.

    Thanks for the congrats! :hyper
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  29. baklogic

    baklogic The Tinkerer

    Well done, Denise, Sorry I never thought of trying that earlier.


    Your motherboard, and the fsb of the cpu decide what you can use, and what performance you can get-

    Download Kingston's pdf, and save a copy-
    http://www.kingston.com/newtech/MKF_520DDRwhitepaper.pdf

    ddr explained.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR_SDRAM

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-channel_architecture
     
  30. baklogic

    baklogic The Tinkerer

    To trigger the motherboard to use dual channel, you must have the memory in slot1 , and 3- or, slot 2, and 4.
    Otherwise you are running in single channel, and slower fsb.
    Read your manual, on page 10.
     
    Last edited: Aug 4, 2007
  31. Denise_M

    Denise_M MajorGeek

    http://www.kingston.com/newtech/MKF_...whitepaper.pdf

    Thanks for the link, baklogic. It's like a "Dual Channel Memory for Dummies" . . . just my speed :)




    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR_SDRAM

    This one was over my head




    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-channel_architecture

    This one was good. Someone told me that the smallest RAM would make larger RAMs use the smallest RAM size. This article backs up that statement:



    I purchased my RAM from Crucial. I don't know if I have single-data-rate SDRAM or Dual-channel architecture DDR/DDR2 SDRAM. I'll have to check to see what I have, but I would think that the Crucial scan would pick up the details of my pc and know that I would need the Dual-channel architecture DDR/DDR2 SDRAM, hopefully.

    I also heard that the RAM has to be the same name brand. I have 2x1G of RAM but I don't know the brand I have. I'll have to check into that also.

    Thanks again baklogic :)
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  32. Denise_M

    Denise_M MajorGeek

    One question was answered for me. I do have DDR SDRAM because one article said that

    and my RAM has the notch.

    I feel like Sherlock Holmes . . . :D
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  33. Denise_M

    Denise_M MajorGeek

    I also found that dual channel memory requires 2 pairs. One pair, put in the same color-coded slot, i.e, A and C or B and D, won't make one pair of RAM duel channel, unless someone knows that's not true. I've attached a screenshot of a page in the .pdf guidelines book.
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  34. Denise_M

    Denise_M MajorGeek

    Ok, I found that I have Ballistix (1Gx2), 184-pin DIMM, DDR PC 3200

    Not that I can afford it right now, but in the future, would I have to buy Ballistix again in order to have dual channel? As I said in an earlier post, someone told me that they have to be the same, but I don't remember where I read it or if it's true.
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  35. baklogic

    baklogic The Tinkerer

    No Denise, you have not quite read it right.
    Dual channel only needs 2 sticks of the same value in slots 1 & 3, OR 2 & 4.
    But you are getting the idea.
    Two sticks of identical ram are preferable, but two of identical spd, will work, though different manufacturers.
     
    Last edited: Aug 4, 2007
  36. baklogic

    baklogic The Tinkerer

    It was good to see Fred, and Asus helping you along.
    Asus, that Tweak for the registry works on Vista x64- I tried it, and , no problem- good link.
     
  37. baklogic

    baklogic The Tinkerer

    Denise, I am always pleased to help, if I can, and if it keeps you going, slowly grasping as much as you can, as , and when it sticks, it is worth it- I am sure all those helping at majorgeeks feel the same, with everyone they try to get out of the holes that come,and get them working.
    I will try to explain a few of the the small Bios tweaks, but as this thread is getting a bit loaded, for others to catch up to date, perhaps , a new thread on Bios help, will bring in more help from those wizards on here.
    The main ones you asked, Bios shadowing/ cache can just be enabled in the Bios, and they can help, but you only try one at a time, and if it causes it to run worse, you can just disable them , again, rather than doing too many, and getting a crappy Windows.
     
  38. Denise_M

    Denise_M MajorGeek

    But the picture shows it and it says

    I'm confused

    My two sticks of RAM are identical right now.

    So, just to clarify, because sometimes I just need it and I know it drives some people crazy, but even though I have Ballistix right now, I can buy 2x1G of Kingston and it wouldn't cause a problem, as long as I have the Ballistix in slots 1 and 3 and the Kingston in slots 2 and 4?
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  39. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    Oh Denise, we are talking about Damion... My recommendation is to run all 4 sticks the same type/brand of RAM. Why not get more Ballistix?

    From what I have seen, people want to build a new computer, but they almost always go cheap on the PSU and the RAM. You kinda need those 2 to work. I have been lucky and every time I have mixed RAM it has worked like it should. For Damion, I would try to get RAM with sequintial serial numbers...

    E
     
  40. Denise_M

    Denise_M MajorGeek

    Frederick . . . the name of my computer is Gideon! Hrmph! :p

    I'm not looking to buy RAM right now. I just want to understand what's what, so that when or if I buy more RAM, I'll know what I need . . . I'll also have a much better understanding of how a computer works.

    I'm trying to understand, though, why the Whitepaper says that 2 pairs of twin RAM are needed for dual processing and baklogic says that I only need 1.

    I'm almost positive that my CPU isn't dual core but my mobo supports dual core processing. Maybe that's the reason why baklogic says that I don't need 2 pairs of twin RAM, just 1.

    And I'm ready to shoot the person who told me that I could easily build a computer . . . that it was nothing more than plug and play . . . Grrrrrrrrrr!
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  41. baklogic

    baklogic The Tinkerer

    He meant Gideon, honest :D

    As Fred (Thanks FRED) said , you can get awy with similar pair of ram, but we recommend the less initiated stick to the rules.- Rules are not always adhered to-:cool
    CPU-Z, can show you the actual speeds, downloadable from majorgeeks, but to read more on that go to
    http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php:boxing


    All will recommend that you buy two of the same ram sticks (modules), and preferably, at the same time as, the Manufacturer can alter what chips are in the memory. If adding Ram, just make sure the RAM are the same speed and memory latency - don’tbuy a high speed or low latency memory only to have it wiped out by the other stick, which isn’t as fast or possesses a higher latency. When running in dual channel each stick must perform exactly the same, so they must have the same speed and same latency. (spd) as I said earlier.
    You can get about 60 percent more memory bandwidth running in dual channel mode. Although , it should, in theory, be100 percent. (double the speed).:hyper

    For Example, in Everest, you might see
    Fsb as 533 , and in brackets (266)-- twice the fsb of 266
    spd , below
    Latency is the last figure
    @ 266----- 3-3-3-3-5
    @200/400.... 2.5-3-3-3-6
    even @ 5-5-5-11
    Or, something similar.
    These are changed in the Bios, when setting up, but usually, set to auto, initially.- on many motherboards you can also changr from 1T, / 2T, but ignore it all.:guitar
    When the fsb is doubled it affects the ram, and processor- if you go into it further, it is often ratiod 4: 3 for issues with ram speeds.
    You do not need to understand it fully, to build and run a computer- it will run nicely on the basic settings, and with just two sticks, in alternate slots with a four slot setup. roflmao
    Really Denise, if you want to learn more, look in overclocking forum, they know far more than I do.:foolish

    Seriously, you have done terrific, in such a short time- You must be the envy of your friends.:wine
     
  42. Denise_M

    Denise_M MajorGeek

    I'm not planning on buying more RAM. The two twin sticks that I have are identical so I'm guessing that their fsb match.

    I'm also guessing that updating BIOS means flashing it, but I'm not sure.

    Right now, I have the RAM in slots 1 and 2. When I reboot, I'll read the mobo manual and switch them to 1 and 3.

    What I'm concerned about, though, is the SiSoftware Sandra report results that I mentioned in post #173. I would like to fix the problems but I don't know how. I'll go to the BIOS forum regarding the BIOS problem, but if someone can give me some information on how I can correct one or two of the other problems, i.e., processor core voltage, SCSI devices (I have 15 ext hdds), and "PCI/AGP initialisation failed" I'd appreciate it.
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    Last edited: Aug 5, 2007
  43. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    Yes, updating the BIOS means a BIOS flash. Only recomended if you have to. As far as DDR Ram goes, it works in pairs. One pair or 2 pair. If they work together, it bumps up the speed of the RAM. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR_SDRAM And if I am not mistaken, it only works as fast as the slowest one, like a hard drive RAID.

    SiSandra is a great program. But don't go chasing things that are supposedly wrong unless you are having problems with Damion, I mean Damion, dang it I mean Damion. I can't seem to type in G i d e o n normally...

    :D
    E
     
  44. ASUS

    ASUS MajorGeek

    Hey Denise PM me with your Phone # and the best time's to call, I'll call ya;)

    Dual core CPU's & dual channel MOBO's are two completely different things.
    For what its worth, I think your MOBO supports both

    Dual channel mode is achieved by installing equal amounts of memory in two different channels:major
    Your mobo has four slots in which memory can be installed.
    Your mobo has two memory channels two of the slots are one channel then the other two slots are the other channel.
    ( If your planning on using all four slots & running in dual channel mode it would be very important to use the same exact brand & size of memory sticks/modules, If you don't you may have compatibility problems or performance issues)

    For most peoples 2x1Gb sticks are more than enough
    Many PC's will have issues when trying to run four memory modules or even revert to slower memory speed
    Running two sticks Memory In Bios set Command rate to 1T
    Running four sticks Memory In Bios set Command rate to 2T
    From the Bios Guide
    http://www.techarp.com/showFreeBOG.aspx?lang=0&bogno=194


    The Bios guide is really simple, you only need to compair your particular settings to the exact ones listed in the guide. (The guide covers many more settings than your MOBO has, you only need review the one's that apply to your MOBO & setup)
    In the guide click on any of the settings then another window will open with detailed info on that particular setting, the guide will offer the recommended setting or reasoning to choose a particular setting.


    Master/Slave setting's dont matter with SATA drives, I'll have a look at your mobo manual & it's options
    Performace wise make the HDD with your Operating System on it Boot first, nothing else will matter much
     
  45. ASUS

    ASUS MajorGeek

    Seems I remember Ballistix memory having some Quality issues and or high failure rate??

    I'm not trying to worry you ( they should have lifetime warranty)
    But I'd make sure ta test these sticks
    Run mem test for minimum 8 to 10 hrs, any errors = bad = RMA
     
  46. Denise_M

    Denise_M MajorGeek

    I purchased twin sticks, identical, RAM, 1x2G, so there shouldn't be a compatibility issue with them. I'm not looking to purchase more RAM. For what I do, 2G is plenty, but thanks for the info regarding what to look for.

    ASUS, I ran MemTest two times. For the first test, I ran it using only 1 stick of RAM and, for the second test, I ran it using both sticks of RAM. I let each test run for 3 cycles and the results showed no problems with the RAM. I placed screenshots in post #17. Asus, do you want me to run a test for each stick of RAM separately or jointly, or separately then jointly?

    Fred
    My computer is having problems. It crashes every 24 to 36 hours, there are times that I can't rename files even though the file isn't in use (and isn't the same name as another file in a folder). I get a message that the file is in use, but it's not. When moving a large file from one hdd to another, I can't do anything else most of the time, not even to highlight a file. When a program is running, such as SpyBot or others, if I try to run another program, such as opening a Word Doc or internet browser, it is extremely slow, about 15 to 20 seconds to open, 15 to 20 seconds to open Favorites, etc. I have only my old pc with which to compare these lengths of times and it didn't slow down to such a slow rate. It would take about 8 to 10 seconds. My old computer was 5 years old, had 728M RAM and I never updated any drivers, BIOS, etc. It had the same programs in it that this one has, plus some. I didn't install a number of programs in my new computer because I never used them, i.e., Microsoft Works, I only installed Microsoft Word. I turned put several Services on Manual, i.e., Notify MS of Error, that aren't needed for the operation of my pc, I reduced my page size cache, turned off add-ons that I don't use, i.e., Windows Messenger. I used TuneUp, RegistryDefragmenter, and Tweak. None of these actions cured the problems that my pc is having.

    My programs run fine, i.e., Microsoft Word, MGI PhotoSuite, Paint, Media Player, VLC player, Ad-Aware, Spybot S&D, K's directory, the tune-up utilities, etc. I never have a problem with any of them or others that I use.

    My mobo supports dual channel but my CPU doesn't support dual core.

    I'll look for this when I reboot.
    .
     
    Last edited: Aug 6, 2007
  47. Denise_M

    Denise_M MajorGeek

    My RAM were in slots 1 and 2 and I put them in slots 1 and 3.

    I went into CMOS and BIOS and changed a couple settings. I couldn't find the setting
    I made my hdd first in boot order, then DVD, then floppy.

    I changed copy mode to Shadow.

    I think my computer is slower with the RAM in slots 1 and 3, the reason I put them in 1 and 2. I'll run the MemTest tonight.
     
  48. Denise_M

    Denise_M MajorGeek

    I went back into BIOS to find the Command Rate but nothing comes close to matching those words. I tried to take a screenshot but, of course, I couldn't.

    I still think that having the RAM sticks in slots 1 and 3 causes my computer to run slower. I could try 2 and 4 but I tried all the configurations a few months ago and it seemed that my pc runs faster when the RAM sticks are in slots 1 and 2.
    .
     
  49. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    I read through all the posts in this thread tonight. Denise, you have Everest installed on Dam... I mean Gideon right?

    This is so out there I almost did not post it, but what are Gideon's CPU idle and load temps?

    If you have Everest open, Computer, Sensor. Let's see what it says.

    E
     
    Last edited: Aug 7, 2007
  50. Denise_M

    Denise_M MajorGeek

    Haven't you learned yet not to ask me a simple question. . . I can write a book on any subject, lol. . . :wine . . . :duck

    This is about 1/8th the info from the Everest Report, parts that I thought had figures that might mean something. The report was prepared before I switched the RAM from slots 1 and 2 to 1 and 3, and after I flashed the BIOS.

    Today I also changed BIOS to "Shadow" because one of the reports recommended it.

    The report was done before I changed some settings in Services, such as "Error Reporting" to Manual, etc, and some add-ons, such as disabling Windows Messenger, and I decreased the page cache size.

    Also, my pc's on just about 24/7.

    I have the system fan installed but it's not plugged in yet because the cable is 1" too short to reach the connector. (that's about par for the course)

     

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