An Englishman's view of Islam.

An englishman's view of Islam. I love the dry british humor.

http://www.liveleak.com/player.swf?token=418_1176494781

Warning, this rant has elements of non political correctness.

 

I always think so you blow yourself and load of people up and make it to heaven and waiting for you are 72 virgins

Thats 3.12 minutes taken care of what do you do for the rest of eternity confused

Game of twister anyone?

 

No comment!
roflmao

 

I loved it too Bill

 

I am not anti Muslim but i could have written that script for myself to recite.

here in Belgium our capitol is Brussels and the language there is French in the main so all the french speaking immigrants head for the capitol.

the government did a survey of children's names last year and the most popular names were AISHA for girls and MOHAMMED for boys, that should tell you a lot about the make up of the population of the city here they call Brussels LITTLE MAROCCO?

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Good one, Bill

 

Would you be trying to provoke an outrageous comment from someone by any chance ZB if so beware of the mods they won't tolerate such an action on here it's not a religious forum but for general comment and discussion.

i understand that some people in the world have only hatred in their hearts but compassion is a wonderful gift.

please remember that we of the so called christian religion have also done terrible thing in the past and that is not meant as a bias it's just a fact to dwell on

 

When is the last time any christian did anything remotely like what is going on EVERY day on EVERY continent on the planet? When? When has anything, and I mean ANYTHING: other religion, ideology, culture, entity, animal, human, insect, bacteria, virus ANYTHING! The outrtageous comment is when people use moral equivelancy to try to put a perspective on what is going on today. Nothing is even close. Sorry but this PC touchy feely crap is going to kill us all. Compassion in this instance = suicide. Why cant you see that?

The video is 100% spot on and utterly excellent. There is nothing said that isnt accurate. There is nothing offensive whatsoever about it, complete truth.

Sorry for the rant but I cant take this anymore. Time to start calling this out every time we see it.

 

The Cruades.

'nuff said.

Starting a war in the name of God is no different than what is happening now, except the weapons are more devestating. Religion and violence has been throughout history, and Christianity is no more innocent than any other.

 

Islam in itself is not a violent religion. What we see is radical Islam, a violent faction of the religion. Get your facts straight before lumping them all together.

Here read this. Its in the spirit of Google, of which you are so fond of.
http://www.ashbrook.org/publicat/oped/forte/01/islam.html

 

Yeah, and the Irish at their worst comes to mind. Of course, they didn't go after civilians (much), and tended to hide behind the bushes with a pair of wires and a battery.

The Irish troubles started in the name of religeon, and transmuted from there.

Near as I can tell, all religeons have some skeletons in the closet. You just have to remember that it is generally the minority that is doing the most damage, most of us just keep our heads down.

I am not down on Muslims as a class, but the wackos need dealt with.

 

In 1969 i did my first tour of Northern Ireland as a young Marine during my service i returned on 3 more occasions, i did not want to use that analogy but now it's in the forum may i tell you a story this is not hearsay this is something i saw with my own eyes.

we received a call to a house on the Shankhill where screaming was heard in the house after some preliminary investigation to check it was not a booby trap we entered went upstairs and found a young girl of 16 years crucified to the bedroom door (with 6 inch nails) she had been viciously beaten her hair had been cut off and she had been covered in hot wax then covered with feather's her only crime was to be seen speaking to an English soldier.

now for those who say we have not committed atrocities just look back a few years and remember.

for our American friends i am sure there are plenty of Vietnam vets who could tell you gruelling stories of our inhumanity to others.

i do sincerely hope i am not offending anyone as that is not my intention i just wish to give an example to the people who only read newspapers or watch TV and receive very biased stories that are embellished to make good copy.


I WILL NOT DO A SMILEY ON THIS POST I FIND IT INAPROPIATE

 

Where I live, its combat city, its also common knowledge where the extreemist are, what they do and where there go. seems like the cops just couldnt be bothered.

And this was going on way before 9/11 - the rallies etc were advertised on every lamp post. This country lets them have freedom, freedom of speech and freedom to terrorise under the banner of "minority positive discrimination". It certainly has taken the "Great" out of Great Britain - The Uk, The Cities and inparticular are full of bad elements. London (ALL OF IT) is a cesspit.

Im not saying the religion is bad, but in my experience (and I have loads) the majority of London Muslims to a certain degree are Anti everyone and the way they practice is definately militant, rascist, sexist and extreem.

 

Well, I'm brand new to this forum, so it's interesting to me that this is the first thread that I'm posting on. However, I so disagree with that Englishman. He seems to think the whole "Muslim Issue" came out of the blue to just assault the peace-loving Englishmen.

Perhaps he's forgotten that at the end of WWI when the Ottoman Empire was finally laid down, the nice Englishmen and French started carving up Middle Eastern countries using a map and a ruler without any knowledge of the peoples, the customs, the thousands of years of history and glue that held certain geographies in place. The Brits and French carved Iraq into a state, installed a Sunni ruling class without any regard to the history and culture of that area. The Shiites and Kurds fought for their former independence against the Brits, and the Brits used chemical weapons against the Kurds long before Saddam did.

Also, a British petroleum company took over the rights for oil exploration. Etc., etc. In fact, much of the problems in the Middle East today can be chalked up to the way the British and French handled things after WWI and later. So it's strange for this Englishman to act as if England has nothing to do with Muslim discontent.

Now I'm no supporter of fundamentalism, no matter if it's Jewish, Christian, Mulsim, Hindu, or Voodoo. My friend Miz Vittitow says "If religion is the opiate of the masses, then fundamentalism is the amphetamine." And as a person raised in the Jewish faith in a small southern baptist town in Arkansas, where much of the police force was klan, I can attest that fundy Christians are just as blind as fundy Muslims.

Read about The Great Game sometime, the rivalry between Britain and Russia to control Persia (Iran) after the discovery of oil there. Read about how the British version of the CIA and the U.S. CIA used propaganda and posing to topple the popular Prime Minister of Iran, Mohammed Mosaddeq, because he moved to nationalize the oil companies so Iran's oil could profit Iran and not the Brits. They installed the Shah, who gave the oil profits mostly to Britain, U.S., French, and Dutch oil companies, thus not improving the lives of the citizens much. Then the Shah used his own KGB-style SAVAK to terrorize the Iranian citizens.

Isn't it interesting that whenever a country moves to take back their own oil into their hands, to not have foreigners be the ones who are reaping all the benefits of their resources and labor, that suddenly these countries are branded as evil (Communists, or whatever). It happened in Vietnam, Iran, Nicaragua, Chile, El Salvador, Guatemala, Grenada, Cuba, and now Venezuela.

Back to the Iran. Poor, frightened, disinfranchized people are putty in the hands of religious zealots. And even tho the Shah eventually nationalized the oil companies, only a few people really benefited from that. So the Shah was ripe to be over-thrown by the fundy Islamists.

Now if the Brits were as "civilized" as this Englishman likes to pretend, they would have seen to it from the get-go that oil money was used build an economy, education structure, modernization, etc. in Iran and Iraq. But no, like they did in every other country, they got cheap labor and siphoned off resources for their own aristocracy.

And when I think of how Jews were historically treated in Europe, well . . . they used to say the same kinds of things about Jews. And the Irish. And anyone who is "other" than them. Whites in the south said the same kinds of things about blacks. The U.S government said the same thing about all Japanese, and interned U.S. Citizens during WWII, regardless of where the Japanese American sympathies were.

It's pure idiocy to look at 9/11 as starting on that date. It's a way long history going back over 1000 years. And one can't possibly understand what's going on today without understanding Europe and the U.S.'s roles in that part of the world after the fall of the Ottoman Empire at the end of WWI.

It's always so sad to me when people take simplistic stances against groups of people without having any understanding of history. Yes, I do think fundys of all stripes are terrorists . . . I was treated to less physically violent terrorism by fundy Christians growing up (tho they shot my dog and her puppy on the front lawn, which doesn't sound like much, but to a kid, it's huge).

Judaism is not my spirituality of choice today. None of the Fertile Crescent Crew (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) is very attractive to me. But each of those religions have their rabid factions. Think of how the Iraqis view the Brits and Americans who are over there, don't speak the language, torture, ****, burst into homes and drag any kid over 12 out and can lock him up with no explanation, or kill him, and then try to proselytize Christianity to them. How absurd is that?

When this war first started, Bush said there were 5,000 insurgents in Iraq. Now he says there are 70,000. I'd be one too if I lived there and had to endure the constant fear of being called a terrorist even as I sat in my living room doing nothing. How many Iraqis, men, women, and children have died so far? How many are maimed. Kids without eyes, legs, arms? And Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Saddam, for all his dictatorness, supported secularism. Women could get educations and didn't have to wear burkas. That's one reason Osama and Saddam didn't get along. No, we're in Iraq because of oil and the Saudis and Oil Companies wanting control over Iraq AND Iran oil.

And leave us not forget that both Osama and Saddam were armed and backed by Brit and U.S. forces in other wars (Osama against Russia in Afghanistan and Saddam against Iran). Just like Noriega was "our boy" in Latin America until he got tired of following orders then he got demonized by our government. And how many other brutal dictators have we backed? The CIA assassinated the democratically elected Allende and put in the incredibly brutal Pinochet in Chile. Trained and back death squads in El Salvador and Guatemala to keep those countries "safe" for cheap labor and U.S. Corporate ownership of resources.

And I'm not saying hate the U.S. and Britain. I'm just saying take hate and bigotry out of the picture and try and get an unemotional, unbiased panoramic view of history and what's playing out here.

The way I see it, most of our planet is still in a neolithic mindset with fear of not having enough, fear of the other tribes who paint their bodies differently, etc. The nation states like Britain and the U.S. and Iran and Israel ane basically still acting out tribal warfare, it's just they have bigger toys to fight with now. It's really time we moved on as a species. Because if we don't, nature will move us out of the picture using either our idiot addiction to war, or else some untameable virus or series of viruses. We could nuke the whole planet till it's less than scar tissue and all things our species needs to live . . . air, water, food . . . are destroyed.

Nature will just shrug and take a few million years (just a rest period on nature's timescale) or less to let the next species belly up to the top of the food chain. We can destroy our own econiche, but we can't destroy the planet or nature. It's adaptable and just changes form and content.

So I really hope we grow up soon. Whew. Pardon this long first post. Obviously, this is a subject very much on my mind. Even though I really came here looking for a good cheap way to back up my computer.

 

MillieNeon, very well written and delivered. You brought to mind forgotten or little known facts.
Perhaps for some of it wasn't so much the political views but the delivery by the Englishman that was entertaining.
You condensed 100 years into a few paragraphs with an impact.

 

Hi Millie,
Welcome to Major Geeks!

and thanks for all the time spent on your post. I see some of this thread as the result of the "demonizing" process I once heard about in a talkshow on BBC radio, where they were describing what it takes to get the people of one country to go shoot the people of another country. According to this particular talk, people cannot really go out and shoot each other until they consider the people they're shooting at to be evil, therefore, the efforts of governments and their media structures are required to demonize an enemy before a people will be ready to go to war.

This process of demonizing, unfortunately, is not limited to one side or the other. If you go anywhere in the internet where people are talking about politics, you will find great effort going into supporting one world picture or another and it's just as common to hear the West being demonized as to hear Islam being demonized. I currently live in a city which is about 10% Muslim and my personal experience is that the Muslim culture and the western culture live in a state of tolerance of one another, but not in a state of integration. This hasn't to do with the people, in my opinion, but more ... if you will ... in their social programming. There is something fundamentally different between a way of thinking which recognizes a consitution and the processes put into place to regulate that constitution as the highest authority, and a way of thinking which considers God the highest authority when it comes to issues of State. Since God cannot speak, there must be representatives to interpret the will and word of God and pass this interpretation down as law. This is not to say that all Islamic countries are without a constitutional structure, but the goal of extremist Muslims at this time is to reinstate the Caliphat and that set of laws which was presumably handed down by God.

I have the greatest appreciation for secular governments which has partly to do with my social programming. The thing is, there are a lot of Muslims who like secular governments as well and there certainly are some Christians I know, having grown up partly in the midwest near where you lived, who would like nothing better than a religiously defined constitution.

As this is a site which primarily deals with computers, I would like to point out the difficulties in getting two fundamentally different computers to communicate successfully with one another. How much more complicated is the communication between two social groups with a quite different set of operating criteria?

In the past when great ideologies came into conflict, great walls were built to prevent great wars. These walls were seen as a necessary evil to stabilize great ideological differences.

I don't know what the solution is to this conflict, but I do feel it is important for each person, whichever side he or she is on in a conflict, to be aware of these demonizing influences of rhetoric and the media and to guard against them.

my two-cents worth

abri