next time you get stopped for speeding????

be polite to the officer or you could get tasered


http://currentworldnews.net/2007/11...d-because-he-refused-to-sign-speeding-ticket/

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3516/77908547ms3.jpg

 

Thats nothing did you hear about the Russian guy who got tased to death because he was upset in a secure air-port area. I saw the video tape- they tased the guy to death.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311985,00.html

I saw the video it was sick, the guy didn't speak English, only Russian and was confused. FIRST, every airport is suppose to have translators for the people that use their airport. The guy was in a secure room, throwing around computers, two guys walk in have some words and they tase the guy because, I guess they thought he would be more calm if he was unconscious.

 

i saw that one as well it was the RCMP and its not the first time they have done this.

THIS IS THE AIRPORT VIDEO

http://www.cbc.ca/mrl3/8752/bc/ondemand/video/YVRTASERVIDEO.wmv

THIS IS THE OTHER CASE

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia/story/2007/11/23/hyde-taser.html

 

I don't want to see that one, the first was bad enough. Law enforcement are getting way to physical with people, What happened to rights??? It either that or pepper spray a lot of the time over nothing.

 

The link doesn't work for the Polish gentleman, at least not for me.

Give police a weapon that is supposed to be nonlethal and it isn't too suprising they overuse it. Sounds like a training issue for the most part.

 

I watched the first video and from my point of view, the guy directly violated EVERY single thing the officer asked him to do.

1. He got out of his car and approached the officer (big no no anywhere, your just asking for trouble).
2. When the officer told him to turn around and put his hand behind his back, the guy opted to walk back to his car. How was the officer to know he wasnt going for a weapon?
3. From the audio he sounded as was resisting arrest, by asking the officer why he was being arrested, which the officer told him at least 4 times.

Too many cops have been shot over simple things just as this, they HAVE to take precautions. I think the officer had every right to do what he did, imo. I mean it was just a speeding ticket, just sign the thing and fight it in court if you want to.

 

Seems like people want to get tasered. I wonder how much the "victim" is going to collect from the inevitable lawsuit..

 

The first one on Tweak Hunter's post is the only one working for me, The 'Russian' dude in the airport. I am not sure which one you are talking about, but the Russian dude is kinda scary to me. His stance and body language is aggresive. Nothing says peace more than just sitting down and asking for a translator. Yelling, throwing things, again, not passive. Every airport can't have a translator for every language of the world on call at all times.

I agree that sometimes too much force is used by the police, but common sence will lessen that almost every time. A peacefull demeaner is much different from the guy in the video in my non-expert opinion.

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1. This video doesnt show it, but he was told by the officer to get out of the car.
2. Slowly walking away does not warrant the use of (potentially) deadly force.
3. He had no grounds for arrest in the first place. Refusal to sign a speeding ticket is not an offense you go to jail for. As for resisting--see answer number 2. He could have physically been subdued.

Yes, cops have been shot. If that was a fear of his, he should have pat himk down when he ordered him out of the car. He liberally used a taser--thats the issue. He could have, and should have if he felt threatened, subdued him. He didn't even warn the person before firing, just lit him up. If this was an OK practice, the matter wouldnt be under investigation by Internal Affairs.

It should be curious to everyone here, that there were no charges filed against him for resisting arrest.

Also, because its not considered deadly force, would have it still been ok if he had been hit in the back with a baton, because its not lethal? Whats the difference? Lack of visible injury doesn't make it ok!

 

sorry you are not able to see them Fred?

i have just tried them all and they are working for me???

http://www.cbc.ca/mrl3/8752/bc/ondem...TASERVIDEO.wmv
this one is using windows media player on my PC

 

Also, I dont believe that he was walking back to his car.

He turned around took a few steps, slowly, then stopped, THEN he was tasered.

In an interview, he thought it was a real gun, and panicked.

IMO, I think the cop did it because he was ticked that the driver refused to sign his speeding ticket. Both were being idiots, but the cop should have known better. Nothing that the driver did warranted the use of a taser.

 

I haven't listened real closely to this video, but I am now.

Did anyone note how he said to the wife that he tasered her husband because he was under arrest and did not follow his instructions?

Before he jolted him, he did NOT announce that he was under arrest, just to turn around, and put his hands behind his back. Then, he immediatly pulls out his taser. The driver showed no aggression.

Then, when the guy is telling the cop to read him his rights, WHILE cuffed, the officer threatens to light him up again?

Sickening...

 

My last comment.

The cop lied to the other cop when recounting his story. He embellished how resistant the guy was being, then lied about warning him about the taser.

 

The first link is now working. Damn Comcr@p!

I think the officer did the right thing. The guy was walking away, sure, but was he going for a gun, or what? I am assuming that is his wife in the car, very bad reaction from her, so they seem (just judging from the video) to be an argumentative and vocal family. The passenger getting out and back in the car and all the yelling, I would hate to be that cop! How does he know there is not a gun in the car?

I would rather be tasered than take a 9mm.

And yep, I have been arrested. I got a DWI years ago. A ton of cops showed up, a hit and run was called in. I stopped across the street. I usually carry a knife with a 3 1/4" blade. Once I figured out I was going down for the DWI, I gave the knife to one of the cops. When I got booked, some old cop tried to measure it and add a charge, the arresting officer stepped up and made it clear I gave it to them, and that was that. I have the knife in my pocket now, my DWI was back in 1999...

I have had a few other traffic stops, I never got a ticket for them. A lot of it is making the officer feel at ease, so he/she can think clearly. A lot of hand motions, walking away, not the thing to do. I know there are bad cops, but how many of you have to worry about a gun getting pulled on you at your job?

E

 

That was his pregnant wife, which as everyone in that situation knows, their hormones are in overdrive.

He still did not warn the guy about the taser, then threatened to taser him again while in cuffs, then lied about it to another cop(about warning him). He also did not read the driver his rights when the driver demanded them. Pretty sure he is supposed to do that.

He could have simply grabbed him, and put him in an arm bar if need be.

He also did not tell the guy he was under arrest.

He told the guy to turn around and put his hands behind has back, did not announce arrest, immediatly pulled out his taser, (which the guy thought was a real gun), and then shot him when the guy didn't instantly do what he asked.

The guy did not flee, did not show aggression. Was he argumentative? Sure.

Neither were in the right, but the cop was so much more in the wrong.

Once again, if he feared a weapon, then he should have searched him as soon as he pulled him out of the car. I know when I was asked to get out of the car a couple years ago, they made sure I didn't have a weapon, and guess what, no taser drawn on me while they did it. That was at 2am in the morning, too, where visibility is an all time low. They asked before they had me step out of the car, too.

 

I think you have some good points Adrynalyn. But keep in mind, the wife on hormones, and the cop not knowing what is in the car... And as far as just grabbing the guy, he has shown some resistance, could result in a fight and 2 folks off in the path of a truck. The taser seemed to put him down on the shoulder of the road, not in trafic.

Now the officer did screw up as far as the charges. The charges were vauge and unclear in the video. And when you are officially arrested, you should be read your rights, just in case you have never watched Cops .

E

 

Oh, I think he was perfectly in his right to tell her to get back in the car. That I do agree with.

My issue is with the questionable use of force (what if he had died), with no warning, and then lying to a fellow officer.

 

Surley they discovered he lied once they watched the tape, what, he didn't think of that?

 

Maybe he didnt realize that dashcam videos on squad cars are public record.

 

All I know for certain is that I have been roughed up and abused by police in four different states with nothing more serious than a traffic stop to start it off, had personal property that was not illicit destroyed or simply confiscated (stolen at gunpoint), and have been threatened many times during even casual contact with officers of the law.
I have been shot six times - none by police - but I consider myself somewhat an expert by now on the "what's better" question = gunshot just pisses me off and hurts for a couple of weeks - I'd take the sissy, underpowered 9MM over voltage any day.
Remember this: 75% of cops are the people who weren't popular in school and are taking it out on us now. Probation officers are people who couldn't even make it as cops. A badge doesn't make someone an instant authority to me = they pull 'em on one leg at a time, just like everyone else - and they're just as screwed up as the rest of this so - called "society". That means that your chances of drawing a manic-depressive po-po is about one in seven - a schizophrenic about one in fifteen - a person with serious faults in judgement about one in three.
I am an adult. I behave as one. I do not need armed guards to make sure that I toe their line.
And they wonder why I go armed!
Good luck and God Bless us, every one.
Port-O-San

 

that underpowered 9mm can be terminal if it hits a major artery a taser won't do that.

you say you have been shot six times boy is that some neighbourhood you live in i have been shot once in the leg by accident (in the military) and never want to get that close again.:cry

 

I'm not gonna argue whether the cop was right or not,I just wanna say that clip and the way the guy was acting looked like those all to familiar videos when the suspect looks for an opportune moment to escape or shoot the cop and escape and later they find a few kilo's of drugs inside the car.

 

He was walking away, regardless of if he were walking toward the car or not, he was still disobeying the officer. He told him to stop a few times and he didnt, infact he didnt stop walking away until the cop approached him and tasered him. You’ll also notice the officer only pulls out his taser as the guy STARTS to walk away. Not to mention the officer was holding the taser in front of him while he told him to stop (again several times), so he cant really say there wasnt a warning...

As for just restraining him instead of tasering, what if the guy had a knife, gun or some other weapon on him?

Yes the cop did tell him to get out, but who in their right mind will get out of thier vehicle and approach the officer? common sense people! I dont think there wouldnt have been the problem of him walking away and getting tasered had he just got out of his car and stood there. If you listen really close the driver (and his wife) was argumentative and combative from the very beginning, how was the officer to know they wouldn’t become physical? Cops cant take those kinds of risks.

He was wrong in not him reading his rights, he should have – that’s the first thing your supposed to do but aside from that I think he handled the situation well.

 

Where did you get these "facts" from? I've never heard of these.

 

Looking at that video I am so glad that I live in the UK. If the above is acceptable to you then you deserve the policing that you get.

 

Dyamond, I saw the video. He did not warn the driver before firing. He told the driver to get out, but then you dont think he was in his right mind to?

Then, he lied to his fellow officer.

Explain this to me, please.


Were they both idiots? Yes.

However, the officer is paid and trained to be better than that, and had the weapon. The driver did not. What you dont know is, I watched the interview with him. He was scared and panicked, he thought the taser was a real gun. People do funny and stupid things when they are frightened.

Taser use was not warranted. We can run what if scenarios all day long. Using your logic, it would have been ok to shoot the driver in the back, because what if he had a weapon.

 

It is NOT acceptable.

 

You are absolutely right, the officer didn’t verbally warn him but when you walk away (towards your car perhaps?) with your hands in your pockets, lookin back like you’ve done something wrong, completely ignoring what the officer was saying… how would you respond not knowing what the driver was up to? What if you were that cop?

As for lying, he’s wrong if he said he verbally warned him because he didn’t but I think the fact that he brandished it well before the guy started to walk away was an indicator that it could be used, if you don’t stop and listen.

If the guy simply followed the officers instructions, there wouldn’t have been a need for him to be frightened, just sign the ticket and be on your merry way but no he chose to argue, he chose to get out and approach the officer instead of staying put, he chose to walk away rather suspiciously when the office told him to stop… his actions were all his own cant blame the cop for that, now can you?

Your saying just because the officer had a weapon and the driver didn’t it wasn’t ok but what if he did?? What if instead of “guy gets tasered by cop” the headline was “another cop gets shot in traffic stop”? what would be your response then??? There have been sooo many instances of officers being shot and killed because they “give the benefit of the doubt” they just cant take that chance… nowadays being a cop, you HAVE to live on what if. Im sorry if you don’t agree with that.

 

Man in handcuffs run over and killed on the interstate. Now where do you go with it? When you are put on the ground and hand cuffed, just stay. You can always talk to the judge.

E

 

I assume you haven't been pulled over and taken out of your car by cops, so let me enlighten you to what happens.

For me, they asked if I had any weapons on me, or in the car. Then I got out.

THEN. Not before.

Did this officer do that? No. Did he even tell the driver he was under arrest? No.

Your philosophy is flawed. Just because the driver "could" be dangerous and armed, but gave no indication of such, it is reason to use a taser.

There was no indicator of any danger...

 

Actually yes, I've been pulled over but no we werent asked to get out, as we complied with everything the officer asked (not saying you didnt).

Seriously, who will tell a cop that they DO have a weapon? Not many

If walking away when being told to stop is NOT an indicator of danger, well thank God your not a cop.

 

Sterotyping people, eh?

If that was an indicator of danger, then you are saying it would have been ok for him to shoot the driver in the back, if the taser wasn't an option?

Tasers have killed people...do you think it would have been justified if he had died?

 

where did I stereotype?

if he hadnt stopped, then yes.. I believe so. If a cop tells you to stop, why wouldnt you?

 

That doesn't warrant a shooting, or worse, death.

Since when did the police become so powerful that they have the right to shoot an unarmed man in the back? Who, I might add, did not show aggression?

What world are you in?

Text book stereotype.

 

obviously Im not in the world you are. You think that people have nothing to hide, just because that guy didnt have a weapon on him, didnt mean that it couldnt have happened... just read the news!

I wasnt stereotyping.. its a fact!

 

Perhaps..I thought our, well, my, country ran on the premise of innocent until proven guilty, not could be guilty so lets taser his ***.

Yes, I am referring to your line of thinking of him being dangerous.

 

He had a gun. He used the taser instead. I do not think he would have shot him if he had just walked away. If the driver had just signed the ticket, (which is not an admision of guilt) he would have been on his way.

I am impressed, lots of opinions, no flames or anything, just a discusion.

E

 

Thats the way it should be.. innocent until proven guilty but not in the real world it isnt. A guy as smart as you, thought you knew that.

 

Didnt you previosuly say this?

I smell contradiciton in your beliefs.

 

I mention the shooting thing to illustrate dyamond's line of thinking, not that I felt he would do it.

 

I dont see a contradiction.. I believe it should be innocent until proven guilty but I also live in the real world and know its not.

 

So because in the 'real world' its not innocent until proven guilty, you follow along with it?

Crowd mentality...

 

Back to the basics.


1. The officer did not announce that the guy was under arrest.
2. He pulled out the taser, aimed and fired without giving a warning that he would do so.
3. He threatened to taser him again when he was cuffed. OMG, he could have had a deadly weapon!
4. He halfway joked about riding the taser to another officer. IA is definitely not happy with that.
5. He lied to a fellow officer. People who lie have something to hide.

 

yes because.. well I live in the real world, I have to deal with the real world and people in the real world.. and giving people the benefit of the doubt as much as I want too will not be helpful when I end up shot to death.

 

Then you may as well assume everyone evil and has intentions to hurt you. Thats what you are saying.

Not a life I would want to live.

 

Other basics.

1. The driver was argumentative.
2. So was his wife.
3. He panicked when he saw the taser and didn't instantly jump to his knees. Instead he slowly took 2-3 steps from the cop (people do dumb things when frightened). From warning to tasering, there was less than 10 seconds that passed.

Yeah--I can see how the cop was in the right.

rolleyes

 

So, both as a non-native and a law-abiding person in the US (hehe had to get that dig in to all those of you who have been pulled over ) I wouldn't really know what to expect if a cop pulled me, even for a routine check. I would probably foul up on whether I should be in my car, egine on, where my hands should be, grabbing my license out my purse before being told to or whatever. My point is the cop's instructions would need to be crystal clear for me to comply accurately. This cop's instructions were not. I would have stuffed up to, no doubt, and without intention to do so. These guys spend a long time training, and part of that training is verbal de-escalation. In my work I am also an Instructor Trainer for verbal de-escalation techniques for physically violent situations. This cop did not by a long shot exhaust those options before tasering this citizen. Far more could have been done and a far less anxiety-inducing approach could have been taken.

I also thought the cop changed his story about tasering the guy because he resisted arrest, when indeed he had not at that point delcared him under arrest. I'm glad Adryn made mention to that too, as I thought I was going to have to watch the whole thing again to clarify.

Yes, cops carry a difficult and dangerous job. Being that this one was a solo-flyer at the time of the initial incident, I would have been taken a lot more precautions if I had been him to verbally de-escalate the situation while waiting for back-up to arrive. What he actually did was drastically escalate the situation and place himself in far more danger than he had originally been in.

 

Refraining from using his gun doesn't make this cop a hero. It makes him careful, because guns leave marks that can be traced, while tazers don't. He was stupid, not realizing he was being filmed, and more stupid for lying about what he did and why, but ultimately, the tazer was the choice of a guy not wanting to get caught.

He's a police officer. He's not supposed to use violence, of any kind, because of "what if". He's only supposed to use it if he needs to, and in this case he didn't.

And, no offense, dyamond, but your arguments make no sense. You say you give people the benefit of doubt, but you clearly only want to do it when it's not dangerous in any way. The moment there is even a possibility of harm, no matter how small, you revert to the principle that you have a right to defend yourself with any means necessary, because you felt threatened. By that logic, the police officer would have been right to shoot this man in the back.

If you want to argue down a certain line of thought, you have to stick with it. You are not allowed to switch in mid-argument because it is unpleasant to think about a man being shot. If the police officer was right to use the tazer in this situation, he would also have been right to use his gun, at least by your arguments and logic. Pick a side, and stay on it.

 

Its apparent that noone else lives in the real world I live in.. 'tis ok, no biggie. I thought my argument was well presented, guess I was wrong about that too. I seem to be wrong about everything in this thread.. If anyone wonders what world I live in... just read the news.