Acronis True Image V10 Back up

Discussion in 'Software' started by Grumbles, Jan 30, 2008.

  1. Grumbles

    Grumbles Bamboozled Geek

    I have recently backed up My Computer using the above software. I backed up to an external hard drive Iomega USB 320GB.
    When I look at the files using Explorer in order to see that every file is there, I am faced with this screen:
    http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa65/gumbybumby/screenshotiomega.jpg

    Have I copied my C: drive 13 times as each contains the same when I click on them or is there a more technical reason for this to happen (like me pressing wrong buttons!) LOL This is my very first back up as the ext HDD is new :)

    I use WinXP on desktop.

    Any help appreciated

    G
     
  2. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi Grumbles

    Dont know what method of Acronis backup you used, as in incrimental or full? but I tend to use FULL backup all the time as incrimentals get out of hand at times, and a full backup is easier to manage deleting older ones as they just a full image of your HD.

    Yes when you double click one of the images they will open up and basically show you all of the files at that time that are backed up from your PC, so if you do many in a row ( say each day or other day ) and dont change much data the files contained in them do not change much, most changes folk will have is in Windows Updates, Emails and saved files/images/data as many dont install loads of apps all the time.

    What I tend to do is to create a set of 3-4 Images files and rotate them in sequence, reason is if you have backups that are too old, your wasting space ( images are in GB sizes ) as the data they hold if you were to have to recover to one of these is old data.

    So I stick to 3-4 and do one a week ( or daily/every other day if you inclined to go that route ) or alwasy just before installing or messing with something that may cause the OS to crash, so my format to numbering is thus:

    Vista Drive C Image Jan08a
    Vista Drive C Image Jan08b
    Vista Drive C Image Jan08c
    Vista Drive C Image Jan08d

    When I get to creat the 5th one I name it

    Vista Drive C Image Jan08e and delete Vista Drive C Image Jan08a as this keeps my images current, then I move on per month.

    This method helps particually if you have a few PCs or partitions your backing up, as you can easily run out of space quickly.


    Hope this helps some.
     
  3. BeenThereDoneThat

    BeenThereDoneThat Private E-2

    I would say that off hand your drive is formatted in either FAT or FAT32, since it is limited to that files size. Your backup is really all of those files, since the cluster size is limited to 4MEG True Image breaks the file into those segments.

    To avoid that you would have to either convert or format the drive in NTFS, then you would get one large file. When I do a backup with True Image I get one file that is 44Meg in size.

    Hope this helps,
    BeenThereDoneThat

    Opps, sorry I am wrong, I looked too quickly, I tried to delete my post but cannot find a way.
     
  4. Colemanguy

    Colemanguy MajorGeek

    uh those aren't megs, those are gigs, its likely somehow you set an option to break up into a dvd sized file. Id guess thats whats happening grumbles.
     
  5. Mada_Milty

    Mada_Milty MajorGeek

    Good eye Cman!

    If I'm to believe what I'm told, Grumbles had followed these steps when setting up a backup, and step 6 does give you this option.

    However, 4,194,304 KB is exactly 4GB (4 * 1024 = 4096, 4096 * 1024 = 4194304), which is the limit for FAT32 drives, so it seems a little coincidental that this number would be chosen. DVD size is slightly larger than this.
     
  6. Grumbles

    Grumbles Bamboozled Geek

    Thank you everyone for the points raised. So it does look like I have created a perfect back up then? I did follow Mada's helpful 'How To' when doing the back up :)
     
  7. Grumbles

    Grumbles Bamboozled Geek

    This was my first ever full back up to the external drive.
    My hard drive space is C:\ 145gb with 89.5gb free, when looking in Explorer. :)

    If I click on any icon, will it be the same information in each? Or is the data broken up and spread amongst
    the 12 icons?
    Thanks
     
    Last edited: Feb 1, 2008
  8. Mada_Milty

    Mada_Milty MajorGeek

    Which means you have 55.5 GB used up. Seems close to the same size as the total of all your image files.

    I believe that what you have is a single image, split up into 4GB files. (So yes, the same information is in each) Since your ext HDD is new, I'd expect it is in the FAT32 filesystem, which would explain the size of the files, as 4GB is the max file size on a FAT32 drive.

    If that is the case, you could backup into a single file if you were to convert the drive to the NTFS filesystem.
     
  9. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    All those pieces are needed for the full backup. If I might offer a tip, because I backup my computer, using Acronis v8, and have several full backups, I do not accept the default name "My Backup". I title mine with the date, like Full_Backup_01_Feb_08. That way, I can tell what pieces go together. When I wish to remove an older backup (I usually have 3 full backups saved) I won't delete part of a backup I need. I also burn a backup about every 6 months, just on the off chance that the external drive dies and I lose access to my full backups.
     
  10. Grumbles

    Grumbles Bamboozled Geek

    What does it take to convert the drive to NTFS?
     
  11. Mada_Milty

    Mada_Milty MajorGeek

    Please see Microsoft KB314097 titled, How to Use Convert.exe to Convert a Partition to the NTFS File System for instructions.

    It's a fairly simple command-line program.
     
  12. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Another option to format an external drive is to copy all the data off the drive to your internal drive temporarily then right click in MY Computer ( Computer in Vista ) the drive in question and choose format, then choose NTFS and Quick Format and off you go. This way you neg standard NTFS cluster sizes of 4KB over the convert.exe limitations of 512KB clusters off FAT32.

    Then copy the data back and check its ok then delete the temp copies.
     
  13. Grumbles

    Grumbles Bamboozled Geek

    I can afford to format the External HD as it is very new and the info on it can be wiped, no problem. So I right click My Computer then format HD (E:\) or change to NTFS and then start the back up again?
    I can transfer files from C drive which is Fat32 to the E drive which will be converted to NTFS?
    I am running XP/SP2.

    You are all so kind in giving this subject your attention; as always I am most grateful :)

    G
     
  14. Eezak

    Eezak Staff Sergeant

    Grumbles, I use Acronis TI also. If you wish to check your backup, look for the option to mount the backup and give it a drive letter aways down in the alphabet -- say M or N. Acronis will then mount your backup as a virtual drive that you can examine and explore just as if it were a separate disk drive or partition. You can even view or otherwise "read" individual files with the appropriate software (I mean the software you used to create the file, such as MS Word for a Word text file for example.)

    I believe there's even a "Write" option you can turn on that will allow you to write to individual files on this mounted virtual drive, but I've never used that. Once you're satisfied that everything looks OK you should then look for the "Unmount" option and use it so that the backup files are all closed up again.

    In addition, you can also set up your backup options in Acronis to include "Verify" so that once the backup is finished it will be automatically checked against the original. Or you can run a separate Verify operation on your backup once it completes. But it seems to me that on the Acronis website, at one time at least, they said that the Verify function wasn't necessarily foolproof, but if you were able to mount and explore the backup that was proof positive that the backup was good. I think I read this back when the latest version of Acronis TI was version 9 so I don't know if you really need to mount and explore as well as verify, but I always do as it only takes a minute or two to mount and then open a few folders at random to see that everything appears to be OK.

    I guess I should add that I've only used Acronis on NTFS formatted drives, so I can't say for certain that the mount/unmount option works on a FAT32 drive. But if you're going to convert from FAT32 to NTFS that won't be a worry anyway.
     
  15. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Yes as XP can read both file structures you can move files between FAT32 and NTFS ( [fyi] the old 9x versions as in 98/ME etc cannot read a NTFS without 3rd party help ), the only thing I cannot remember is if you will still run into the same issue of the FAT32 4GB file limit as your OS drive is FAT32 and its the one creating the files.

    Which version of Acronis you using Grumbles? as the option now exists and following from Eezak's recomend to open up the backup image to inspect a few folders to check the backups ok, is that in version 10 & 11 you can now just browse the image files without having to mount the drive, you can check a folder and even copy and paste specific files from these images.
     
  16. Eezak

    Eezak Staff Sergeant

    Ah, I wasn't aware of that, Halo. Thanks for that info. What new features, if any, does version 11 have that 10 doesn't? I'm curious, because I just found version 10 for $20 at Office Max yesterday and assumed there must be a newer version out.

    On second thought, I'll go to Acronis' website and find out for myself as I don't want to appear to be hijacking this thread! rolleyes
     
  17. Grumbles

    Grumbles Bamboozled Geek

    Version 10
     
  18. Grumbles

    Grumbles Bamboozled Geek

    Sorry for not responding sooner; switching ISP just now and if I am lucky I can get online for 20 minutes a day!
    I will follow up these suggestions in a couple of weeks once the switch is complete.
    :)
     

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