Underage drinking in "Dragon Wars"

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Speculant, Feb 19, 2008.

  1. Speculant

    Speculant The Confused One

    i was watching the movie "Dragon Wars" last night and in one part of the movie one of the main characters (the girl) and her friend go to the bar to "have some fun and unwind". only after watching the movie did i realize that the whole plot of the movie revolves around this girl turning 20. it's been a while since i read the rules, but isn't it illegal to drink if you are under 21? i found this kind of strange, seeing as they are in L.A. and they would have to provide a valid I.D. to buy drinks or it would be illegal...

    IMO, the whole movie sucks anyways, so don't see it
     
  2. Triaxx2

    Triaxx2 MajorGeek

    Two points: First of all it's a movie...

    And second, the drinking age was set by right wing nuts.
     
  3. Adrynalyne

    Adrynalyne Guest

    I say set the legal age higher. Only people I have ever seen think the drinking age is set too high have been kids themselves.

    Raise the legal age to drive, too.

    http://www.nsc.org/issues/teendriving/



    Lower the legal drinking age and watch that number climb
     
  4. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    There are tons of movies with underage drinking. Don't expect the movie studios to develop a conscience any time soon. lol

    As far as the drinking age...I agree with abz. In Europe, where it's not such a forbidden fruit type thing, they don't have the problems like we do here. If you make something illicit, kids want to do them.

    Now as far as driving...I agree with Adryn. Jeez, kids are idiot drivers.
     
  5. Speculant

    Speculant The Confused One

    i just found it kind of strange seeing as it happens in a regular bar and nobody seems to care....although the movie was made in korea
     
  6. Lev

    Lev MajorGeek

    I don't agree with the statements on European drinking. Go over and see for yourself - truly see by living amongst it - "Lager lout" behavior, as it is known, is an increasing problem. Cops actively hate the transitioning out of bars into night clubs by the teen age group, because the immense quantities of alcohol young teenagers have imbibed at such a fast rate when their young systems cannot cope with it causes so much aggression, resulting in stabbings, shootings and general fighting and property damage, sexual assault and drunk driving.

    Drinking is legal at 18 in the UK and you can get your provisional license (or permit) at 17. One of those two ages at least should be raised IMO. You cannot give a kid the keys to drive AND the freewill to drink at the same time. Most test both parameters at some point early on, it's just that they don't get busted.

    In America there are restrictions on what a youth can do (at least here in Oregon there is) once they have got their full license. In the first 6 months they cannot transport friends only without an adult family member who has a full license. This discourages the "let's go in my car to the party guys!" approach. In England, you can past your test and do whatever you like. Try hunting for a compact small engine first car in England that is cheap and doesn't have a dented fender. It is so hard, as my son just found out trying to buy his first car, because so many of them have been bent around a post by young people cruising with their buddies in the car and not paying attention to their new found skill.

    I realize a lot of generalizations are here in these topics, but just wanted to clarify that Europe is not the "better place" some of you think. There are actually some excellent checks and balances in place in the USA to support safer driving in young people.
     
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2008
  7. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    You couldnt be further from the truth as teen drinking in the UK is hitting a real crisis point in regards to accidents in driving, antisocial behaviour and a massive rise in STDs amongst teens all linked to drink. The gov introduced a new law of 24hr drinking to trey an curb the amount of trouble at closing time of the pubs BUT this has not worked, it has only served to widen the windows of problems relating to fighting and drink driving.

    While the legal age is 18 the mentality is that of a 10yrs old in many and binge drinking is a major issue.

    http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publichealt...?IdcService=GET_FILE&dID=141996&Rendition=Web

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/23/nlabour123.xml

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6980133.stm

    http://www.aa-uk.org.uk/alcoholics-anonymous-reviews/2007_04_01_archive.html

    and I have seen our citys A&E or ER dept on a friday and weekend night when all the teens and older who have had too much to drink are injured because they drove and crashed or thought they were invinsible against a moving car while crossing a road, as well as the fights that start due to too much booze.... not pretty sights.
     
  8. musksnipe

    musksnipe Guest

  9. Adrynalyne

    Adrynalyne Guest

    Yes, it is a problem. But lowering the legal drinking age also lowers the age group that drink underage.
     
  10. Rikky

    Rikky Wile E. Coyote - One of a kind

    Teenage drinking is a problem over here its way too easy for kids to get alcohol but more importantly lots of strong cheap alcohol at sixteen we used to just be able to scrape a few £'s together enough for 3-4 cans which just got us merry these days for £2 even with inflation and higher tax you can buy 2.5 litres of 8% cider which will put most people especially kids on their back.

    I think eighteen is the perfect age it just needs to be enforced more stringently,I think 21 is way too high considering all the things you can do before that age like drive,get married,buy a house, choose to go over to Iraq and get blown up,how can a kid have the maturity to choose that and yet not enjoy alcohol responsibly.

    Whatever age you start drinking at most people go through the stage of this is the greatest thing in the world and get more drunk than they can control its part of growing up all the laws in the world won't change that IMO.
     
  11. Speculant

    Speculant The Confused One

    wow...i just wanted to point out how weird it was that in a movie 2 underage people go to a L.A. bar and don't have to provide a valid I.D. to buy drinks...doesn't that seem weird? i know that underage drinking is a problem, but in a regular bar?
     
  12. legalsuit

    legalsuit Legal Eagle

    Tend to agree that if armed forces allow 18 year olds to join and fight for their country, then how can one consider an 18 year old too young to drink...both need to be approached in a responsible manner, and hopefully, these adolescents do so...
     
  13. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    In a regular bar, it would depend on where it was, Speculant. In the US, at least in the Philly/NYC area and other cities I've been too, it would be hard to not get carded if you look under 25 or so. Unfortunately, I haven't been in a long time. :cry On the other hand, I don't have to worry if I don't have my license. :D I do know that my sister and her friends would go to the bars at expensive restaurants in Philly when they were in college and have absolutely no prob getting served. The drinks cost a ridiculous amount and I guess the restaurant figured kids couldn't afford it.

    So yes, you can get served underage without being carded depending on where you are, but I would say you would have a problem in 90% of places from my experience on the east coast.


    lol...I looked in your profile and notice you are 14, so I hope youre not looking for tips on how to get served. ;) jk, of course.
     
  14. Colemanguy

    Colemanguy MajorGeek

    Of course, one thing i want to mention, is people that get sent overs in miltary form, have training and such. Its not like that theres classes on booze and responsible drinking required before it happens.
     
  15. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    Nope...there isn't and I had a friend from high school that wound up an alcoholic after joining the army. He said 'there was nothing else to do'. A sad statement.
     
  16. Speculant

    Speculant The Confused One

    i think i'll keep my dr.pepper, thank you very much :D
     
  17. legalsuit

    legalsuit Legal Eagle

    Good point Coleman...(I don't think Bar Courses include drinking aspects:p)...
     
  18. Adrynalyne

    Adrynalyne Guest

    Im certain they could lead someone to, though :D
     
  19. Phantom

    Phantom Brigadier Britches

    It has to do with attitudes and family/socio aspects of upbringing more than anything else. Plenty of people in their twenties (and beyond) drive like idiots, and think it's cool to drive drunk and/or stoned.

    Me and my friends went through our teens and early adulthood with no drunken stupidity at all. You just don't get to hear about all the responsible ones on the news, etc. Always said, you can't legislate against stupidity. That said, we obviously have to have some laws to try and prevent access to alcohol, etc to children and such.

    Getting back to the Dragon Wars movie. It was okay, and probably worth the watch for most people.
     

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