Same Sex Marriages vote overturned

Quite honestly, gays have every right that a non-gay citizen in this country has. If they want to marry they are allowed to, just not to the same sex.
Years ago before my wife and I were married, she was not allowed to put me down on her health insurance, because we were not spouses. Yet, a gay friend was able to put their partner on their insurance.
I don't understand. Who is actually being discriminated against?

 

I went to lay down, when suddenly a picture popped in my head,,,

Somewhere out there was G.T.,,,,,,,,

furiously attempting to get an internet connection,,,,,,

 

*pictures GT attempting to connect via Dixie Cups and strings*

Allowing marriage to expand in it's definition is not forcing acceptance. Legally requiring that you have at least one gay friend would be. Instead, it's opening the door for real acceptance. For people to have the right to choose who they want to accept, instead of being told who is acceptable and who isn't.

Me, I've chosen to be open and accepting to everyone until they prove otherwise.

 

From Fox News today

Source: Has additional links

 

Very well said. I agree fully.



I wanted to say out of this but I can never seem to keep my big mouth shut LOL

 

Good thing you have big enough feet.

*runs away*

 

hahahahhahah so funny..... NOT


Do you try to hard to be this funny?

 

He does.. he does.



EPIC FAIL!

 

The problem is, it doesn't just stop at gay marriages. The next step is them having children, either by adoption or in-vitro fertilisation, which I don't think is fair on the children. They have no say, no voice in the matter, yet they are the ones, (regardless of what orientation they eventually choose), that must bear the brunt of it for life. I would say that children of same sex marriages would also have a much greater tendency to lean that way. This isn't just a rhetorical extrapolation, it is happening in Australia, and many other countries, too.

Consenting adults - whatever. But a child has no choice - he/she is forced to be constantly surrounded by it, along with any social stigmas, (like it or not, there WILL be social stigmas).

As for any genetic tendency studies for homosexuality. A lot of human behaviour runs in families, (i.e. has a genetic tendency, to some extent). Some is considered desirable, (such as high intelligence, athletic ability), some isn't, (like criminal tendencies, Schizophrenia, etc.). But, except for a very small percentage of extreme cases, wether one is homosexual or not is far and away a matter of CHOICE. Sure the tendencies may be present in some more than others, but it is, for whatever reason(s), a lifestyle choice, like so many things. One may genetically have a tendency to have impulsive, criminal behaviour, but to actually commit crimes is still a choice, at the end of the day. Same with sexual lifestyle choices.

 

Great point about the children, Phantom. I had never even considered that, and I have to say you're right; that really isn't fair.

But, I cannot see this as a matter of choice at all. I certainly have never chosen who I am attracted to, or which personalities mesh well with my own. By that argument, I could renounce my heterosexuality at a whim, which I don't believe is possible.

Yes, you could choose abstinence, or worse, to deny what you love, but that is a pain far worse than any social stigma I've ever seen.

(And I've seen some pretty intense homophobia... drunk rednecks crashing a gay man's party and tearing up his lawn with their pickup in front of the crowd, for example.)

 

No they arn't the only two commandments out of ten have made it into law in most western law,thou shalt not steal and thou shalt not kill.

I held back on posting but I've gave in now:-DI have no problem at all with same sex marriage,marriage won't increase or decrease the number of homosexuals and jeopardise the human race I find that quite a funny argument.

What possible difference can it make to me/us if homosexuals have a piece of paper granting them the right to call themselves married and enjoy "Or not:-D." the same laws that other married couples have?

50% of all straight marriages fail anyway even with a vow to each other and God,maybe gay couples can teach us something...

EDIT lol Homosexuality a lifestyle choice :crap Thats such a primitive religious philosophy that's been proven over and over to be wrong,no one chooses who they are attracted to.

 

We all make choices in how and we wish to live and the lifestyles we choose to live, regardless of what tendencies you may, or may not have. Sure genetics and consequent neurological differences may incline you one to make one choice over another, (perhaps strongly), but assuming we are sentient adults, it is none the less a choice. Has nothing to do with religious beliefs, or otherwise. It's called freedom of will.

There so many factors that lead us to shape the way we think, and may be inclined think/feel - genetic and neurological makeup are only part of the equation. Culture, upbringing, education, and many other factors play a part.

And what makes you think that gay relationships are more successful that normal ones? rolleyes

 

If that's the assumption you're going to argue under, I would point you to this thread of compulsory behavioral changes caused by microorganisms, and

I would also ask how many of these factors you honestly believe you can control.

 

I can't be bothered arguing whether homosexuality is choice and I didn't say gay relationships are more successful you did,I said 'maybe they can teach us something.' As in maybe in a few years and we have some data. rolleyes :-D

 

adultery,[ lying, cheating, stealing]
that's 4 there chief..

and for the record, when I said 10 commandments, I meant the ones not glued to God. I referenced the sub set of mentioned here by referring to the entire set for brevity.


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Yes, there many factors, as I said, that make up what we are and what decisions we are likely to make. I'm well are of psychiatric conditions and the often profound effect they can have on behaviour. I used to be a Psychiatric Nurse quite a few years back.

There seems that many of us, (maybe even all), have various brain parasites that can affect behaviour as well.

There is a big difference between innate behaviour and social behaviour.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_behavior

A good read on the subject, here:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sexual_behavior

 

Wait, wait.. This thread is about same sex marriages, not gay and straight.

When does one become gay? Do you have to be with another man to be gay? Because single straight guys and gals are everywhere, too.

 

They're called "Wives"..










OH snap!!!

 

Here's one of them:- (Bad cat!, bad cat!)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/08/060804085444.htm

http://notexactlyrocketscience.wordpress.com/2007/01/14/brain-parasite-drives-human-culture/

 

I think that every man and woman on this planet has the right to share their lives with the man or woman of their choice and if that includes marriage so be it. I would hate to think that a law would keep me from sharing to the fullest, a wonderful life with the person I love.

If your a Christian and believe that God made man and woman then you should be smart enough to know that he made each of us different. Had he not wanted some to be different he would have wiped them off the face of the earth from the very beginning!

Those who shout the loudest usually don't know enough of what they shout about, and in some cases much too afraid of finding they might have been wrong!

And as to those so called poor children not having a choice of having been adopted by gays, how many children in this world have a choice of what family they are born into. I don't think I picked my parents, did you??!! I would much rather see children grow up in a gay family and know love then to never get picked by anyone at all.

 

I found one... It recently escaped my computer monitor..

http://www.theharrowgroup.com/articles/20020107/RoboRoach.jpg

 

I have some questions.
Why is gay marriage an issue?
1) Is it an issue to obtain benefits?
Many states and companies already recognize LIfe Partners without the need of a certificate of marriage.
2) Is it to obtain the sanctity of a wedding vow?
Any church that would perform a gay wedding goes against the teachings of the Bible. So, if the church goes against Bible teaching it IS NOT a sanctified ceremony.
3) Is it to prove Love?
That's ridiculous! Love does not need a piece of paper.
4) Is the marriage supposed to protect the relationship and make it last, like some magical charm?
Doesn't work for straights.
6) Is it an attempt to say, "We're gay, but we're married, so we are normal"?
If that is an issue, then somewhere in the back of their minds they are not really happy with themselves or their lifestyle.

I have known couples (both straight and gay) who have lived, loved, and been very happy together for decades, without ever being married.

I am not as homophobic as I may sound, but I do not care to hear, "I'm gay, I deserve this or I am discriminated against.
You are what you choose to be, live with it and enjoy your life,

 

Adultery isn't illegal so thats still only three I don't think you can say "Our laws are heavily rooted in the 10 commands.. that's a fact. Sorry." Its false and historically in accurate,it definitely isn't fact.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean or what lines I'm supposed to have read regarding the ten commandments.

Couple of articles regarding the misconception

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/hamilton/20030911.html

http://rationalrevolution.net/articles/ten_commandments.htm

 

actually, adultery is illegal in many states. So I submit that we are both partially incorrect. It's not sweepingly illegal by federal law, but it is illegal in some places. Which brings us to 3 and in some circumstances back to 4.

as for reading between the lines.. some are quick to disprove without excluding the obvious. Our laws are, in fact, heavily rooted in the condensed understanding of the 10 commandments and our social norms include the rest of them excluding the ones with direct references to God.

So when I say 10 commandments.. just take it at face value that I am also including the separation of God from law. But I guess only some of us would have recognized this.. oh well.

And the moral imperatives that she discusses, I submit that there are others that extend from Christianity; One might conclude that moral law of some form, is often transcribed into common law. The teachings of the church have found there way into our society by teaching them to the people an the people make the law. But it all starts with, killing, stealing, lying and variants append from there.

 

2 of 50 states make an effort to treat adultery as a serious crime..

I paid more than $10 the last time I parked my car somewhere it shouldn't have been.. let alone parking myself somewhere I shouldn't be.

 

In case you'd argue the adultery laws of Michigan and Pennsylvania...

 

And that law works!
I have never seen a crocodile hitched to a fire hydrant here in Michigan. LOL

 

I've tried to stay out of this issue because of the intensity of it but I just cantLOL So, here are my thoughts (although ALOT of good points have been presented by Phantom, Kodo & Musky).

1.

If your going to go the Christian/God route, God clearly states he hates homosexuality in the bible (to clarify.. God doesnt hate the people, He hates the sin). So, it would seem a little silly for God to create us in a way he already hates (not to mention that would be saying that God could be gay, because we are supposed to be created in God's image,).

Ever read in the bible about Sodom and Gomorrah?

2.

You are right you can not choose who you are attracted to but you can choose how you will react to certain situations.. if everyone acted on everything they "felt" things would be alot worse around here because people will do anything they "feel" like doing.

Ok.. its late and I've probably offended somebody LOL so I'll end it here.

 

Marriage for love is a very recent thing. Marriage has always been about power, and stature.

From Wikipedia "Marriage"

I don't have anything in front of me, but I'd bet most of the 1800's weddings were arranged.. I'd also bet that the divorce rate has a lot to do with people marrying someone they think they're going to love forever..

For the record, I'm not offended Dya.. LOL

 

Agreed Semantics.

I'm dumb.

Unless you have a study from a courthouse when a precedence was set showing the decisions relating to murder,theft and lying that's conjecture.

If you find something I will read it and there is something there has to be those lawyer bloodsuckers "That was for you legalsuit:-D." Have to write down everything although it may not be online.

One thing regarding thou shall not kill is the death sentence is being used still today in the US and has been for quite a while,that would be quite an erroneous punishment if the laws we're based heavily on the ten commandments after all vengeance is the lords:-D EDIT those last six words were for fun.

 

Actually... and I honestly forget which version of the Bible it says this.. but there was a certain group of people that were allowed to kill murderers (so long as it was pre-meditated)... they were.. blood avengers or something like that. And "war" was a giant exclusion as God would sometimes demand "we" go to "total war".

 

You're going to bring the Bible into it? Just remember, you asked for it.

The Bible hates gays. Not God. God is loving, forgiving and accepting. The Bible is single most mass-produced piece of hate monger rhetoric in history. The Bible was written several thousand years ago. At that time Christianity was a burgeoning religion and facing continual attack and ridicule. Why? Because they were exceedingly outnumbered.

So how do you correct that? Conversion takes time, and it's hard to get big groups to agree. So instead you say hey you! Start having sex with every woman you can find. No, not the guys. Just the women. Now we start having dozens upon dozens of children all raised as... Christians. Can't fight the enemy straight on, so we fall back on the old military tactic of superior numbers. Outbreed the enemy.

The Bible has never changed. It still promotes slavery. Promotes the sub-humanity of women. The subjugation and extermination of anyone different. As human beings, we have out grown it's outmoded notions.

 

The constitution was created to protect us from the tyranny of the majority. If it doesn't truly affect other people (and same sex marriages don't, no matter what rants may emerge). Might does not make right, nor does majority opinion.

IMO, religion makes lousy laws. But who am I to disagree with having a theocracy, it works so well in Iran, who hangs homosexuals I might add. The problem with religous laws is the fundimental (no pun intended) assumetion that I'm right, you're wrong, and God is on my side. There have been a lot of truely evil things done in the name of that logic.