Major Geek for President

Just thought I would toss the idea in for good measure ~ Balthazor

 

been estatic with Romney

 

If these are any of the campaign promises, I'll give my vote.

(1) Press 1 for English is immediately banned. English is the official language, speak it or wait at the border until you can.

(2) We will immediately go into a two year isolationist posture to straighten out the country's attitude. NO imports, no exports.
We will use the 'Wal-Mart' policy 'If we ain't got it, you don't need it.'

(3) When imports are allowed, there will be a 100% import tax on it.

(4) Social security will immediately return to its original state. If you didn't put nuttin in, you ain't gettin nuttin out. The president nor any other politician will not be able to touch it.

(5) Welfare - Checks will be handed out on Fridays at the end of the 40 hour school week and the successful completion of urinalysis and a passing grade.

(6) Professional Athletes --Steroids - The FIRST time you check positive you're banned for life.

(7) Crime - We will adopt the Turkish method, the first time you steal, you lose your right hand. There are no more life sentences, if convicted you will be put to death by the same method you chose for your victim, gun, knife, strangulation, etc.

(8) One export will be allowed, Wheat. The world needs to eat.
A bushel of wheat will be the exact price of a barrel of oil.

(9) All foreign aid using American taxpayer money will immediately cease, and the saved money will pay off the national debt and ultimately lower taxes. When disasters occur around the world, we'll ask the American people if they want to donate to a disaster fund, and each citizen can make the decision whether it's a worthy cause.

(10) The Pledge of Allegiance will be said every day at school and every day in Congress.

 

Didn't know what else to do with that insane email there Musk?

 

Hey, give me a break, you two.
I just got back from a week's camping (with a daily trip home for showers) and had to tear down in the pouring rain, caused by Gustav getting all the way to Michigan.
Maybe, I'm a little rusty. LOL
And what is wrong with #'s 4, 5, 8, and 9?

 

thank you!

 

Social Security was set up originally for widows and orphans by Roosevelt, it just careened out of control some how.

 

This will go south pretty quick.....

 

If musky became President, so would our freedom........

 

@balthazor
Add a poll to this thread as an election.
Lets see who will win.
You should put in:
Major Attitude
Corproal Punishment
Halo
Adrynalyne
AbbySue
Musknipe
zDawg32
Zdawg32 For President!!!

 

Depends on what you call FREEDOM.
If Freedom is giving tax breaks to companies, who outsource and ship jobs overseas. leaving Americans jobless,
or Freedom is allowing a small group of atheists to remove all instances of God, from our public lives,
or Freedom is giving money (welfare) to drug addicts, who refuse to get an education, so that they may get a good paying job and support themselves, while at the same time proving that they deserve a helping hand, by abstaining from their habit,
or Freedom is denying our soldiers the support and medical attention they need, after serving their country,
then I guess I don't want to be Free.

@ Laura:

Yes, I have and do.

 

Needless to say very good points we could debate until the end of our lives. However, one point I would just like to highlight is......

and.....

contradict each other. One feeds the other. We have to find someone to do the work and if those entitled to the jobs won't do it, those who will take a lowly pay will, even if outsourced. So who do we blame? The Government or those who won't help this country be a self-sufficient success?

And finally.....

God is bigger than a small group of atheists. Their disbelief isn't going to remove all instances of Him, but He might remove all instances of them.....

 

I wish I could remember who said that so I could look up that quote and get the wording right... I think it was someone who is a pretty god authority on religion and its place in the public sphere but I just can never remember who it was... rolleyes

 

That's a very good question and not easily answered, because the fault runs from, to, and back again.

Agreed, but it still is a pain to see the waste of the legal effort and money, so that they can be appeased.

We haven't done this in a while. I missed it.

 

Me too..why did you have to agree with everything I said? Now we cannot debate it further...can we? Let me see.....

I guess I could argue against my own point and state that if the Government invested more in the drug rehabilitation programs for teenagers and young adults (which incidentally is 5 times cheaper than rehab for adults or imprisonment for repeat offenders) then we wouldn't have so many high-on-crack couch potatoes unwilling not only to work for their country but serve it well.

:major

 

I think Musky was more referring to things like them removing prayer from schools, removing the word "Christmas" from the celebration; attempting now to remove "one nation under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance. http://www.aclj.org/Cases/default.aspx?Section=17

I for one will be saying it at my Citizenship Ceremony regardless of what they do...as will all my family stood behind me in their "One Nation Under God" flag t-shirts that we all plan to wear

http://t-shirts.cafepress.com/item/one-nation-under-god-womens-tshirt/51371783

 

Musk. I love you. Therefore... Shut up. And I may not hurt you. If you really believe all that crap you need to think long and hard about what this country was founded on... and the fact that HELLO we were all Immigrants, and if someone had closed the borders based on some self important delusion of grandieur none of us would be americans. Period.

But I still love you.

 

I Support Musky for Press Secretary and hope MG 2008 bumper stickers are available!

 

When did I say, "Stop letting immigrants in"?
This country was founded by folks who were tired of being told that their religious beliefs were not right and they were not allowed to worship the way they believed, publicly. (ie; as the atheists are attempting to do)
And they were tired of sending their hard earned money off to a foreign land. (As we are doing every day)
Our founders also believed that we should be self-sufficient.
I am not so ignorant to believe that we can live our quality of life by closing our trade borders, but when companies export jobs that could be done here, (yes, at a higher cost because of our wage demands, which means less profits to the stockholders) they are creating a situation where there are readily available, lower cost goods, with lower quality standards, which need to be replaced more often, and in the end can't be afforded by the folks who lost thier higher paying jobs and had to take what they could get, just to survive.
(When was the last time you bought a good high quality everyday item from a store, which sells low cost Chinese made goods?)
I bought a hose that leaked within a couple of days of buying it. I bought a connector to splice the hose, after cutting out the leak. That also failed and I ended up buying a more expensive hose. That's just one example and I'm sure there are many others.
Also, there is not an equal trade balance. Our goods are highly taxed going into many countries, so that their native products have a chance.
Why can't we do the same?
And lastly, (back to the immigrants), they are required to learn about America, our government, and it's laws, before getting citizenship. It's a fairly long process and there is time to learn enough of our language, to have simple conversations, make phone calls, understand directions, etc. to get by.
When I travelled, I learned enough of the local languages to get by, in a very short time.
Why? Because I wanted to be understood. I wasn't planning on becoming a citizen.

Don't get me wrong, I believe everyone has the right to become an American, if they are going to be a plus and not a negative to the country.
I believe that trade should be fair. If Toyota, makes a better car than GM, so be it. Let them sell it here and for a fair price. But if America makes a better product, it should be sold at a fair price anywhere in the world.
When there are natural disasters in other parts of the world, I'm all for helping.
BUT when the governments there, prevent our supplies from reaching the people in need, (And that has happened time and again) it's time to say, Good Luck.

 

This part is making no sense. The atheists want people to stop telling them that their beliefs are wrong and unwelcome...

 

I have been hurt before for saying the things that I believed in. That did not change my mind nor did it stop me. That actually made my beliefs stronger.

And, I hope I didn't offend you. I never intended to.
But I DO love a good debate.

 

Actually, no Mims. They are saying that we are not supposed to say words like "In God We Trust." or "In one Nation, under God." They are trying to change some of the traditions that have become part of America.
No one says they have to say those words, but are saying that we shouldn't.

 

And from a certain point of view, it can be argued that freedom of religion has as much to do with not having someone else's religion showed in your face everywhere you go, as it does with the right to practice freely.

Personally, I find it amusing that Americans always seem to need to be reminded that God is on their side and can be trusted. It's like an insecure wife who won't believe her husband actually loves her, unless he sends her flowers to work every week, so she can prove to everyone around her that it really is true. He does care! He sent flowers! Meanwhile, most of the other women in her workplace are shaking their heads in bemused amusement, and wondering why she is so happy about flowers, when it is so much nicer to have a partner that actually listens, massages your shoulders, and takes out the garbage without being asked. And who you don't need constant reassurances from anymore, because you have a bond of real trust, not just the practiced appearance of one

I guess what I'm trying to get at is, if the faith is real, why talk about it so loudly in such a shrill voice and with such panic whenever a perceived "threat" surfaces? Christianity has been around for nearly two millenia now. It's probably not going to go away anytime soon.

And if it's not about true faith, if all it is about that you like the traditions of having the word "God" in there... then don't try to fall back on Christian beliefs when defending it.

 

I don't think Musky has a shrill voice, but as he's not called me recently maybe you are right

Personally, I don't feel a need to constantly talk about my God - I feel COMPELLED too :-D Not because I doubt Him and need to keep reminding myself He exists, but because I know He does and wish to share that joy and freedom I have with those around me who I care about or see struggling. It isn't borne out of selfishness for many Christians - it's borne out of a desire to see others enjoy life to it's fullest in the light of truth and love - a greater love that is forgiving no matter what. Sadly, some never get to experience that while on this earth and never get to overcome their fears and difficulties through their own strength.

Know God......no threat

 

That's not quite what I am talking about though... I'm talking about the obsession with "Christ in Christmas", as if no longer using the word will make the religious significance go away.

If the religious significance is so frail that human have to talk about it to keep it present, then honestly, that's a weak and wussy deity that doesn't deserve the title or the worship. Holiness that relies on human beings for its existence is the holiness of fantasy novels and 19th century psychologists, and most importantly of all: It contradicts all that talk about all-powerful and omnipotent and so much greater than we can comprehend. A Christian god whose existence relies on the use of the word Christmas? Please.

It's just one example, but there are far too many. I seriously doubt that The Atheists want to extinguish Christianity. I just think they want to silence the far too many and loud "You have to agree with us or you doom the country to HELL!"-voices.

 

Mimsy, my whole point of the atheist's stand on removing the word God from public view stems from the fact that The Pledge of Allegiance is no longer allowed in school.
That has absolutely nothing to do with religion. It is a pledge of loyalty to the United States.

The Pledge of Allegiance to the United States Flag is an oath of loyalty to the country. It is recited at many public events. Congress sessions open with the recitation of the Pledge.
The Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag reads as follows:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
​

 

But isn't that another decision that should be made by the individual, not forced on them from early childhood? What sort of loyalty is a loyalty that is given because the person doing so either doesn't know better, or doesn't even understand why?

 

God doesn't need any of us to ever say "Christ" or "Christmas" again...He doesn't NEED us, period. That's why we have freewill...to choose. This country chose the words of the Pledge of Allegiance to state the foundation upon which it is formed and stands, and as a Christian-founded country, that is one nation under God. People died for that right. Now to have those who truly don't value the death of many for their freedom - the same death that Jesus took for our spiritual freedom (sacrificial) - trying to take away that fundamental value and freedom is not acceptable to many.

Simple.....if you don't like the words, don't say them is my take on it. No one is forcing anyone to state the Pledge of Allegiance - same way that no-one is forcing anyone to read the Bible.

 

Actually, if I remember my history right, they died for the right to have the State completely separate from religious practices and organizations. "One nation under God" assumes that everyone in the nation follows the same god, which is not the case. "One nation, united" is a more accurate description today.

 

Disagree - there is only ONE God....many names, but one God.

Interpretation of what God is is where the difference lies, but that is created by man, not God

 

I never felt that saying the Pledge of Allegiance was forced on me as a kid in school. And neither did anyone that I knew, feel that way. It was looked forward to, just as much as milk and cookies were at snack time.
I understood what it meant. It meant being faithful to MY country.
Of course, I grew up in an era that spanned the Korean War, The Cuban Missile Crisis, frequent nuclear attack drills, the Cold War, escalation of nuclear weapons, and spys.

The dangers to the country may be different now, but none the less, being loyal to your country, flag, and traditions are not a bad thing.
Why shouldn't children be taught about loyalty to their country? They understand loyalty to friends, parents, schools, and teachers. And they understand those loyalties at a very early age.

And once they are adults, nothing stops them from going to a country, that has the beliefs and traditions that they want to believe in.

 

Yayyy...found something to disagree and debate on with musky finally!!!

I disagree that kids today understand loyalty to one another, family, teachers etc. We are seeing more "mutiny" that ever before, and when upbringings such as yours are not as strong, positively encouraged and ingrained in a country's culture anymore it makes you wonder who is at fault. When citizen's of that country cry out to remove from the classrooms, the parental guidance etc the very essence that brings about that loyalty, no wonder the kids are not as loyal anymore to anything. They are watching the adults tear down the very heart of loyalty and adults teach kids good things.......right? So they can copy them............

 

It's because they took the Pledge of Allegiance and prayer out of the schools!

 

There ya go...debate over :-D

 

Sorry. LOL

@ Mims, I am just having one of my patriotic, redneck moments.
Probably, due to McCain's speech last night.
But darn it, I'd be better off dead, then red. :-D

 

I went to a catholic school in the UK and every morning we sang God save the Queen and had prayers, i am not sure if that instilled loyalty to the country or to God, it was just something we did each day.

My loyalty came later when i joined the military and accepted payment from the crown,or was i being a mercenary by accepting payment?

which ever way you look at it loyalty is a personal thing as is religion.

In the US you tend to wear your hearts on your sleaves which is no bad thing,at least the world knows were you stand.

I like Muskie grew up in the eara of conflict at the end of WW2 but but over the years the camaradery to our fellow man has disapeared.

As an outsider looking in I find the US system of choosing a president sometimes flawed in that they say anyone can be president but that is not true (you have to be born there) and you have to have massive financial backing but having said that in some ways i envy the system that puts a cadidate under the scrutiny of the world.

One thing i don't understand is how a 76 year old man can run for a 4 year (or 8) term and that is not political bias it's just he is too old!

 

Yes, by all means, nominate me. I will change, EVERYTHING.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_bxWjWuRMlPs/SMDGCom9KsI/AAAAAAAAAGo/sb60bI_oMzk/s320/Snapshot_20080829_7-762408.jpg

 

...About those MG2008 bumper stickers??????

 

Hot off the presses.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r94/musksnipe/Untitled2.jpg

 

Friends(?), there is no room in a throughly mixed nationality nantion for any kind of racism or belittleing anyone elses political/religious beliefs, I for one have grown in maturity and understanding through the trials of my own expierences in life, I know if I can change enough to accept a lot of different things in my personal and public lives you can do the same, There is no More Time for Hate, Blessings to all ~ Balthazor

P.S.) just my opinion

 

I'm still voting for Adrnylyne. :-D

 

5 of the 8 on that list are administrators so you get banned no matter who you vote forhttp://www.getsmile.com/emoticons/smileys-91853/b0/togo.gifhttp://www.getsmile.com/emoticons/smileys-91853/k/peepwall.gif

 

Oh i wouldn't say that Laura you have i purty profile photo and you don't have to shave every day. (Oops sorry Adryn)http://www.getsmile.com/emoticons/smileys-91853/b0/tomato.gif