Determining which estimate to go with.

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by LauraR, Mar 20, 2009.

  1. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    Have you ever had something you need done in your home and you get two or 3 estimates for the job and you REALLY want to use the one person because they've done good work for you before and you trust them and like them, but they come in much higher than the other person?


    That's what I'm dealing with now with painting that needs to be done. The guy I really want to give the job came in about 20-25% higher than the guy I've never dealt with before.

    If it was just a bit more, I wouldn't have a problem and would go with the one I like and trust. :(

    I did call the other guy back to make sure some of the extra stuff our guy is including in his price is part of his estimate also. Is it bad that I'm hoping the guy ups his price?rolleyes
     
  2. hrlow2

    hrlow2 MajorGeek

    If you have dealt with the guy before and were satisfied with his work, then get him.
    Why take some unknownthat you may have to get someone else to come in after and correct. Double payments are more than 20-25% of the original.
     
  3. joey off the street

    joey off the street Lounge Lizard No.1

    Better the devil you know....if the more expensive gadge has done a good job in the past for what you consider a fair price you should go with him. However, at the minute, with money tighter than a shark's ar*e at 50 fathoms, I might be tempted to go the cheap route. But if things weren't so bad, definitely the first option. Just my opinion, but I think trust goes a long way in a working relationship.
    It ain't bad that you hope the other gadge ups his price, but ultimately, if you need to make a decision on the basis of getting a good job done, whether he ups his price or not is immaterial. Why not even ask for a discount from the one you know? He might just be feeling the pinch like everyone else. He can only say 'no'.
     
  4. darlene1029

    darlene1029 A Grand Lady- R.I.P. 06/06/2012

    I would go with tried and true rather take a chance on saving a few bucks. It's rare now days to find someone who actually does a good job.
     
  5. lbmest

    lbmest MajorGeek

    Can't stress enough, the job price quoted by both contractors must be "apples to apples". Even if you have to write down the specific items and verify with both. Also, are both bonded and insured equally? Can you get recommendations from previous homeowners that the unknown contractor has done work for. If he is reputable, he will be glad to give you references for previous customers.
     
  6. Paxton007

    Paxton007 MajorGeek

    Working for a contractor, I can tell you that people almost expect to have a price shopped around, and the guy that's been there before probably has something extra in his price hoping you'll just have him back again and again. I'd let him know you have someone else in the price range you were looking for, but you'd rather spend your money with someone you know you can trust to do it right, ask him to look at his quote, see if he can come down some, and go from there. Good luck.
     
  7. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    Thanks everyone for your input. You're all basically reinforcing my stance on it. LOL

    The guy did get back to me and insured me that all the sanding, caulking, wall patching was absolutely included in his price. The unknown guy has people who work for him. The known guy does it himself. Could that be the price difference? The fact that obviously my guy would take longer than a crew of guys?

    The guy I've used is a perfectionist, so I know he'll do good work. He's done tile and painting for me before. Plus, I completely trust him in my house.

    The unknown guy was recommended to me by a friend. A bunch of people have used him. He hasn't done the work for my friend yet and all she knows is that people have used him and she hasn't heard any complaints.

    I am definitely calling known guy and letting him know that I got a price that was much lower and see if he can come down. It's a pretty big job since it is our 2 story entryway to our house, so the 20% is a decent amount of money.
     
  8. Rikky

    Rikky Wile E. Coyote - One of a kind

  9. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    :p LOL @ Rikky

    We have never actually paid for a painter before up until this month when we did a new bathroom. My husband has always done the painting. I can tell you, I'm shocked at how much painters charge to paint.

    Unfortunately, this is two stories and would be dangerous for my husband to do. lmao...besides that he refuses. :-\


    Oh, and Paxton, or whoever has experience...what's my best approach to the original guy as far as asking for a lower price? Even to the point of should I approach him since I'm the one that has dealt with him, or should my husband do it, since I know that men sometimes respond differently to other men?



    edited to add: did everyone see the new stuff in the post for ranking and the stats in the profile part?
     
  10. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi Laura

    Does the other guy come with references from folk you know? as I would likely personally go with the one you know what the quality of their work is like, but be honest and tell them their price is too high in this current climate and if they can go some way to a 10% discount as you have used them before, as you have nothing to loose in asking.
     
  11. Paxton007

    Paxton007 MajorGeek

    It depends I guess, on how you've spoken with this guy before, if you're friendly or professional with him. I usually call my (Glass) suppliers, we have good relationships with them, and if a project is real close to one of them, but it's a state away from the one with a better price, I'll tell them something like "I see you came in at $4.80 a square foot, and I know this job is in your back yard, so I'd like to go with your price... If you could get it in the $4.50 range, I'd like to not have your competition's trucks in the area." The other company might only be at $4.65, but that gives company 2 a chance to tell me they can't get to $4.50 but they could do $4.60.. I'd usually wait a day and see if they can take some delivery charge off to help, and they will normally.. So I give them the job.

    If I was shopping a painter, I'd ask what type of paint they were both going to use, and if they would quote the job with you supplying the paint (You might save some price increase here because they're going to SELL you the paint that they buy, and you're probably not going to get to keep the left-over). I'd tell the guy that you want to deal with that you do want him to do the work, but you have a guy at almost 3/4 his price. You might ask HIM to look over the other guy's quote, and make sure that he's going to use the same quality that the higher price guy is. Or, you might just tell him you have a price that's 3/4 of his, and though you'd like to have him back, it'd probably still be cheaper to risk the 25% and have him come do touch up if needed.

    There are lots of angles to play with it, like buying a car. I've watched a car go from $350 a month to $175 a month over the course of a days worth of phone calls.
     
  12. Paxton007

    Paxton007 MajorGeek

    Here's an example of the money he could have to play with. Let's say you have a round table and you want a piece of glass put on it. Say it's 30" in diameter.. 1/4" Thick and it's tempered, so it doesn't kill you if it breaks.. I'm going to buy the glass for $1.80 a square foot. The glass starts square, so it's 6.25 square feet. It's $50 to have it cut round. I'll pay nothing to have it shipped here. I bought the glass for $61.25 but I'm rounding it right off the bat to $62 (money always rounds up) I'm going to make 35% on it (after I tax it) but you're going to pay me to bring it to you (even if you pick it up) and I don't pull a truck out of the garage for less than $50 so for the $62 piece of glass you're going to pay $156.23 ($157 rounded up)

    Sounds like you made a great deal. You're going to preserve that table top to infinity and beyond... Click here...

    The only real difference is my glass is probably better, and I buy enough of it that if you broke it before you got it home, my supplier would more than likely ship another one out at no charge.
     
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2009
  13. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    lol...I get all that Pax, but how does it pertain to my painting? The only material is the paint, which btw, they include in the price, but you're still paying for it. The rest is labor, but I guess that's maybe what you're saying. You're upping your price for just the labor.

    I'll tell you what, I like just paying for the materials and having hubby do the labor. :-D

    Sidenote: now I know to look at Pier 1 before going to a glass cutter again! LOL



    Update: I worked up the courage to call my painter and go over it. He's going to call me back tomorrow. I just told him I'd like to use him but the difference was pretty significant and was there anything he could do? So, we'll see.

    You all are great for offering advice/support, btw. So thank you very much. :)
     
  14. Rikky

    Rikky Wile E. Coyote - One of a kind

    Here to help:major:-D
     
  15. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    roflmao You provide comic relief Rikky.
     
  16. the mekanic

    the mekanic Major Mekanical Geek

    Here's an old saying of mine, hope you like it:

    Do it once, do it right, because doing it twice costs at least three times as much. :cool
     
  17. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    So true that saying is!

    We'll see what happens. It's interesting that everyone went with the go with the higher price if you trust the guy.
     
  18. hrlow2

    hrlow2 MajorGeek

    If you want quality,you have to pay for it.
     
  19. Triaxx2

    Triaxx2 MajorGeek

    A) You do get what you pay for. B) If he's doing it himself, he's charging more incase he gets injured because there's no employer to pay for his medical expenses. C) If the guy knows you're going to call him, you might get a discount later when you have an emergency. Don't expect it though.
     
  20. Paxton007

    Paxton007 MajorGeek

    So, have you heard anything back from the contractor?
     
  21. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    Still dealing with it.

    I talked to the guy I've had do work for me and I've missed his calls over the weekend. I had told him the price the guy gave me and told him I wanted to give him the job, but the quotes were really far off. Asked him if he could move on his price (I didn't tell him if he couldn't I was going with the other, since I'm still not sure if I will).

    Hopefully, I'll hear back today.

    Since he left a message on my cell and it wasn't a 'sorry, can't move on my price' message, I'm thinking maybe he's going to come down. I may be reading into it, but I've found that people (including myself) take advantage of getting voice mail to give bad/nonpositive news.
     
  22. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi Laura

    I think he may come down on his price a little as it wasnt a straight out no, and what he has to weigh up is if he starts loosing a repeat client base, and the new guy turns out to be good then the best advertising in building is word of mouth and your likely to tell friends that new guy is good and cheap.

    In this current climate of financial uncertainty he has to be wise and not price himself out of the market.
     
  23. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    That's what I'm hoping/thinking too. We'll see. I'll let you know how it goes.

    heh...I'm sure everyone is waiting for the news since it's sooo exciting. LOL
     
  24. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    So, I talked to him and he has no idea how the guy is so low on the one part of the project, so couldn't come down there, but the other part he came down so that totally, he's meeting the guy in the middle.

    I told him he had the job. I guess it never hurts to ask. :)


    Thanks to everyone for your input!
     
  25. joey off the street

    joey off the street Lounge Lizard No.1

    Glad to hear of the positive outcome, Laura.
     
  26. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Great outcome Laura and with the chap you know his work, so middle ground is good so long as your happy with the cost.

    Goes to show never hurts to ask and meet someone in the middle on cost, especially if you want some quality work done, too cheap and corners are cut.
     
  27. hrlow2

    hrlow2 MajorGeek

    And as I stated, if the other guy scr..s things up, you would have to get someone else to come in to correct it.
    All in all, well done and congratulations.
     
  28. Mimsy

    Mimsy Superior Imperial Queen of the MG Games Forum

    I know you already made up your mind (and I would have made the same decision), but I just wanted to add that in addition to the material, a professional painter knows how to get it right the first time, so you're paying hm for knowing how to do it. You're also paying for the convenience of not having to spend all those days and hours painting. You can do other, more fun things. ;)

    You paid a little extra for the knowledge that the job will be done right the first time around. Peace of mind and quality of work are both things that are well worth paying a bit extra for, are they not?
     
  29. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    I wanted to give him the job for all the above reasons. I don't even mind paying a bit extra for that.

    The interesting thing was that I didn't think everyone would agree with paying the higher guy. You all did though. Pretty much cemented my stance on the whole thing. :)
     
  30. Paxton007

    Paxton007 MajorGeek

    Wheeeeew.. Now that that's over with, what color did you pick? LOL

    I rented a house a few years ago, and the landlord had it painted. It took FOREVER to find someone reliable. One time he had these clowns working there, and one kid came in, the boss had a talk with him, and must have told him what to do for the day and left. About an hour later that kid was outside SLEEPING in my yard. he was blaring loud music, and just... who sleeps in a persons yard when they're supposed to be working? Anyhow he slept for about 2 hours and I took a few pictures of him sleeping out there..

    Yeah, so I taped them to every window on my floor that faced outside.. Got the house painted faster, by someone else. LOL
     
  31. joey off the street

    joey off the street Lounge Lizard No.1

    My Auntie Agatha had a similar problem a while ago. She hired the cheapest painter she could find in the area. She left to go to work that morning and explained to the guy that she wanted the porch painted.
    When she returned that evening, nothing had been done. She found the fella and asked why he hadn't painted the porch.
    The painter explained that it wasn't a porch, it was a Ferrari....:-D:duck
     
  32. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    We made the horrible mistake of painting our trim in our bedroom a dark olive green. :puke Now we have to undo that mistake. Luckily, the mistake was made by my husband's hand, so at least the first one was free. LOL Now we are painting it a white.

    The entryway to our house will be a shade of grey if I can find one I like. I was a little doubtful when it was suggested to me, but I've seen it and it's actually pretty.

    hahahahah on the picture in the window. Too funny. :-D


    Actually lol'd at that one joey. Wish I had a Ferrari to mistakenly paint. LOL
     
  33. Triaxx2

    Triaxx2 MajorGeek

  34. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    lol...that would shock people, wouldn't it? :-D
     
  35. joey off the street

    joey off the street Lounge Lizard No.1

    What a mess. That's awful.
     
  36. joey off the street

    joey off the street Lounge Lizard No.1

  37. Triaxx2

    Triaxx2 MajorGeek

    If you think that's shocking, I wish I could show you the rest of the house, but I don't have a photo of it.
     
  38. sherpaprime

    sherpaprime Private E-2

    I like that, sort of the flip side of the one i always use (when noting foolishness) "There's never time to do it right, but there's always time to do it over"

    Laura, glad you got the outcome you wanted. Definitely go for the guy who does it himself, especially if you've had experience with him. When you use some one who hires others, you end up with :zzz a Paxton situation. :cry
     
  39. hrlow2

    hrlow2 MajorGeek

    :-Dto PFC sherpaprime.
    You trying to get Sgt. Paxton007 down on your case? lol
     

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