w7 "starter"

Discussion in 'Software' started by CatT, Feb 3, 2010.

  1. CatT

    CatT I can't follow the rules

    most of the netbooks now come with "windows 7 starter". can one "upgrade" it to normal windows 7, or it that, by definition, the windows specifically designed for netbooks?

    i've stalled until all of the ones loaded with XP have given way to w7. if i stall 6 MORE months, will they all have been replaced with "full w7", or is this the end of the line?

    TIA!
     
  2. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    Windows 7 has an anytime upgrade. You need to pay and can upgrade to another version.
    Facts and pricing here: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/features/windows-anytime-upgrade
    Though I am not sure if this applies to netbooks.

    Netbooks, as far as I am aware, will never have anything better than Win 7 Starter installed when purchased new. So waiting 6 months to purchase will not gain you a better version of Windows 7.
     
  3. augiedoggie

    augiedoggie The Canadian Loon - LocoAugie (R.I.P. 2012)

    I seem to recall a thread where someone tried to install a regular W7 on a netbook and was thwarted because of the hardware limitations of said netbook. Make sure from the maker that an upgrade is possible.
     
  4. augiedoggie

    augiedoggie The Canadian Loon - LocoAugie (R.I.P. 2012)

    Forget the above, I misremembered the thread.:-o
     
  5. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi

    As Netbooks do come with Starter you can use Anytime upgrade to goto Home Premium as I have done this (may just have been the spec Netbook I have), however I wouldn't advise it if this is going to be a main pc as you will need a high end Netbook, so if you are looking to want to run at least Win7 Home Premium then buy a laptop, if you like the smallness of a netbook then you can get 11" screen laptops as they generally sill have the power to run Home Premium and Aero ok.
     
  6. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    Ah, thanks halo. I wanted to know if someone had actually attempted and succeeded doing this.
     
  7. collinsl

    collinsl MajorGeek

    It's entirely possible that Windows 7 wil run, after all a techie on YouTube managed to get windows 7 running on a 1GHz compaq with 1GB of RAM, so a netbook might manage it quite well.

    References: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxf3PWwIqew&feature=related
     
  8. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    I know it runs on netbooks. I spend a lot of time in the eeepc users forum where lots of people have installed Win 7 on their eeepc netbooks.
    What I did not know is that it was possible to upgrade from win 7 starter to a better version.
     
  9. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi folks

    Yes as we know netbooks come with Starter, but rather than clean install I decided to (as I had run a test scenarion during the beta on Win7 for this) use Anytime upgrade and as I have quite a few original keys for Win7 (MSDN and TechNet) it was worth a try as my netbook has 2GB ram (also as a test I did pop out 1GB ram and it works ok with 1GB too, not as snappy but works) and it worked fine.


    this is a photo I took a few mins ago, took a real pic over a screenshot as screenshots can be photoshopped, taken on my phones camera but as you can see its Home Premium version

    http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/38/imag0004fa.th.jpg


    I still would advocate not going to Home Premium from Starter unless you really want too as it doesnt offer much more and with having a netbook you are really wanting the basics anyways for internet (I have a HTC HD2 phone that can internet share my HSDPA connection), using MS Office or OpenOffice etc then Starter is fine as it doesnt add too many services.

    If you do goto Home Premium as it offers say Media Center, then do install a codec pack to aid video playback being smoother, for some reason so HD video was jerky fo rme until I installed Sharks Win7 Codecs HERE
     
  10. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    I would not consider even putting windows on my netbook. Since mine has a 4GB ssd drive, I knew all those windows updates would use up the space too fast. Linux is working well for what I purchased the netbook to do. Newer netbooks have non-ssd hard drives and are much larger so for those people that want to run windows, they have a lot more room for the install and the updates/patches.

    How large an install is Home Premium?
     
  11. collinsl

    collinsl MajorGeek

    I believe it is around 1.5GB
     
  12. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    Thanks. I'll put that in my notes so when someone asks about installing on netbooks, I can give them an answer.
     
  13. LI_Geek_95

    LI_Geek_95 Post-and-Run Geek

    I was able to get Seven Ultimate on my Acer Aspire One netbook
     
  14. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Windows folder on my Netbook with Win7 HP is nearly 9GB, does not take into account the Program Files folder which has some Windows apps in it, so would go with 10GB a min install size, with no 3rd party apps.
     
  15. CatT

    CatT I can't follow the rules

    So why is anyone saying full W7 will not eventually come STANDARD on netbooks?

    6 months, bigger drives, bigger RAM -- what's the problem?

    My original question was more along the lines of: does "starter" indicate temporary placeholder from M$'s perspective or temporary placeholder for the lightweight user? I.e., is it a scaled-down version of necessity -- along the lines of windows for a phone or for a PDA -- or a scaled-down version just to keep them CHEAP?

    I'll prolly get another laptop in the end, but these things ARE seducing me! I never use my CD/DVD drive anymore anyways.
     
  16. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Eventually in a few years time when Windows 8 is out, then netbooks and the CPU, RAM and SSDs that they use will cope with a full featured version of Windows, but as it stands now Netbooks are just really a small portable lighweight PC, and the CPU in the current Atoms cannot do the same tasks efficiently or as quick as a laptop with dual/quad core cpus.

    But they where never designed originally to be powerhouses.

    To answer the question on temp placeholder then no their is no scheme from Microsoft however you are correct in the various versions are aimed at the specific usage scenarios for various PCs, be it Windows Mobile for phones, Starter for netbooks and low end laptops to Ultimate for power PCs.

    I like my netbook for portability and it runs everything I need from Office 2010 beta at present to Internet (IE8 and Minefield) and Photoshop Lightroom and CS4 suprisingly, I use my Windows Mobile phone in the HTC HD2 to share my HSDPA internet of the phone to the laptop making it ultimately very portable.
     
  17. MarkTex

    MarkTex Private E-2

    me:

    Asus Eee PC
    Intel Atom N450 1.67Ghz
    1gb Ram
    32bit Windows 7 "starter"

    Have had this for about a week, outside of some confusion with the "60 day trial of MS office" am very happy with it. Does what I bought it to do, use the internet and write papers. I frequently run a browser and microsoft word at the same time with no problems.

    If I am running -Word -Chrome and -skype all at once my video feed has tendency to freeze up, however that happens from time to time with a more powerful system as well.

    It's upgradeable to 2 Gigs of ram, I may do because, I very much want to run google earth on this machine, but I am not sure how well that will work out even with 2 gigs little processor and all.

    There is another cool program I would like it to run, I suppose I will test them out soon. http://www.stellarium.org/
    it's really cool free astronomy ap.

    just another windows 7 "starter" on a netbook experience.
     
  18. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    This was decided by MS. The netbook makers have to abide by MS's decision.
    If you want a hardier version of windows, then your option is to buy a notebook or a desktop not a netbook.
     
  19. CatT

    CatT I can't follow the rules

    but that is TODAY. what about by SUMMER?

    after all, M$ didn't even decide they'd have W7 starter -- almost all of them had XP up until close to christmas; around the holidays it was half and half; now a month later they're ALL (pretty much) W7 starter.

    my guess is that they'll next all jump to W7. sometime around may.

    july at the latest.

    you heard it here first!

    :major
     
  20. satrow

    satrow Major Geek Extraordinaire

    Actually, I think MS backed down from enforcing the Starter edition only on netbooks, with the possible exception of sales in "3rd world countries"
    It looks like it's the netbook makers that are forcing Starter (lower buy-in price for punters = more sales + probably reinforced/encouraged by lower unit costs from MS (knowing that they (MS) can make extra revenue by allowing/encouraging upgrades to full editions of 7) = 2x license fees for one hardware sale.

    Windows Anytime Upgrade for the current blurb :).

    Only if most potential buyers refuse to buy netbooks with a crippled OS ...
     

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