Central Figure in CDC Vaccine Cover-Up Absconds With $2M

darlene1029 · Mar 13, 2010

I beleive this to be very important, was just looking for a place to post when I came across this thread. I realize $2M doesn't seem like a sum to cause such health risks but it's mearly the tip. How many years and how much money has been involved? There are numerous links for this story, the link of Dr. Poul Thorsen and The CDC, Mercury safty in vaccines.

Leading independent scientists have accused CDC of concealing the clear link between the dramatic increases in mercury-laced child vaccinations beginning in 1989 and the epidemic of autism, neurological disorders and other illnesses affecting every generation of American children since.

Central Figure in CDC Vaccine Cover-Up Absconds With $2M

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/central-figure-in-cdc-vac_b_494303.html

Rikky · Mar 15, 2010

I realize $2M doesn't seem like a sum to cause such health risks but it's mearly the tip.
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How do you know this?Its just one doctor and it was just one study,there has never been a link found between Thimerosal and Autism in practically every other study are you saying that every other study that has found no link is due to a fraudulent doctor and research group?

Here's some excerpts from the court ruling last Friday regarding the links-

Special Master Denise Vowell, in the Dwyer case, issued a particularly devastating decision, ruling that claims about mercury were completely implausible and that the parents’ notion of “regressive autism” had no basis in science:

Petitioners propose effects from mercury … that do not resemble mercury’s known effects on the brain, either behaviorally or at the cellular level. To prevail, they must show that the exquisitely small amounts of mercury in TCVs [thimerosal-containing vaccines] that reach the brain can produce devastating effects that far larger amounts experienced prenatally or postnatally from other sources do not. … In an effort to render irrelevant the numerous epidemiological studies of ASD [autism spectrum disorder] and TCVs that show no connection between the two, they contend that their children have a form of ASD involving regression that differs from all other forms biologically and behaviorally. World-class experts in the field testified that the distinctions they drew between forms of ASD were artificial, and that they had never heard of the “clearly regressive” form of autism about which petitioners’ epidemiologist testified. Finally, the causal mechanism petitioners proposed would produce, not ASD, but neuronal death, and eventually patient death as well. The witnesses setting forth this improbable sequence of cause and effect were outclassed in every respect by the impressive assembly of true experts in their respective fields who testified on behalf of respondent.
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Dr. Steven Salzberg Director of the Center for Bioinformatics and Computational Biology and the Horvitz Professor of Computer Science at the University of Maryland, College Park.

Was there every any scientific support for the link between thimerosal and autism? From the late 1990s to the present, scientists have looked closely at the evidence, and every well-done study has pointed to the same conclusion: thimerosal in vaccines has no link to autism. In one very large Danish study, autism rates rose after thimerosal was removed from vaccines. Another study looking at California, Sweden, and Denmark found the same thing. These results directly contradict the claim that thimerosal causes autism.
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http://blogs.forbes.com/sciencebiz/2010/03/vaccine-court-ruling-thimerosal-does-not-cause-autism/

darlene1029 · Mar 15, 2010

"Thorsen was a leading member of a Danish research group that wrote several key studies supporting CDC's claims that the MMR vaccine and mercury-laden vaccines were safe for children."

"Leading independent scientists have accused CDC of concealing the clear link between the dramatic increases in mercury-laced child vaccinations beginning in 1989 and the epidemic of autism, neurological disorders and other illnesses affecting every generation of American children since."

Rikky · Mar 15, 2010

Quoting the same thing in bold type doesn't advance the discussion much :-D

When articles try to convince you there's a conspiracy to hide evidence the same tactics always pop up,one of the main ones like in the evolution deniers is to try to convince you the scientific world is split down the middle well in this case as in evolution theory they are not,only fringe scientists IF ANY AT ALL believe there's a link between Thorsen and autism.

THERE ARE NO SCIENTIFIC STUDIES THAT LINK THORSEN TO AUTISM,NOT ONE,THERE IS ALSO NO BIOLOGICAL SCIENTIFIC METHOD THORSEN CAN CAUSE AUTISM

Did you read any of the article I posted?

Fast-forward 70 years to the modern anti-vaccination movement. In the late 1990s, a small number of activists, led by J.B. Handley (who founded Generation Rescue) and a few others, decided that the mercury in vaccines causes autism. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. wrote articles promoting his notion of a large government conspiracy to cover up the harm being caused by thimerosal. The movement took off, especially after former Playboy model Jenny McCarthy became the “face” of Generation Rescue.

Was there every any scientific support for the link between thimerosal and autism? From the late 1990s to the present, scientists have looked closely at the evidence, and every well-done study has pointed to the same conclusion: thimerosal in vaccines has no link to autism. In one very large Danish study, autism rates rose after thimerosal was removed from vaccines. Another study looking at California, Sweden, and Denmark found the same thing. These results directly contradict the claim that thimerosal causes autism.
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Another is to question the integrity of the person rather than argue the facts or the science and the most simple are little lies and half truths that most people don't pick up on they just take the article at face value.

That article has them all in abundance

Here’s what Kennedy is saying, in summary:

1. Danish scientist Poul Thorsen was the central scientist behind studies showing that autism is not linked to Thimerosal or MMR
2. These studies (by Thorsen) are the key studies the CDC relies on to disprove a link between vaccines and autism
3. Thorsen has stolen a large amount of money
4. Point 3 above means that the studies referred to in 1 and 2 above, are no longer valid.

Unfortunately for Kennedy, points 1, 2 and 4 above are demonstrably false:

* Thorsen was not a leading figure, but a junior author on the papers in question
* There are numerous other studies, apart from the Danish ones, that support there being no link between vaccines and autism. (In addition, Thimerosal was removed from vaccines in the US in 2002 and yet reported autism continues to rise.)
* The alleged fraud has no bearing on the studies anyway. Even if Thorsen stole money, and even if he were the lead author on the studies (which he wasn’t, but even if he were) this would not suddenly alter the studies so they now point to a different conclusion. (It’s a basic ad hominem fallacy.)
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A central figure behind the Center for Disease Control's (CDC) claims disputing the link between vaccines and autism and other neurological disorders has disappeared after officials discovered massive fraud involving the theft of millions in taxpayer dollars. Danish police are investigating Dr. Poul Thorsen, who has vanished along with almost $2 million that he had supposedly spent on research.

This is, of course, pure hyperbole (to be polite). The truth is that Aarhus University has recently detected a significant shortfall in their CDC grant money, and Thorsen is suspected of being to blame. Apparently, authorities are investigating the shortfall, but it’s a little early to be calling it a “massive fraud.” Right now, we just don’t know. And Thorsen has “disappeared”? Actually, no, he has just been unavailable for comment. (Hardly surprising.)
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http://skeptico.blogs.com/

Just Playin · Mar 15, 2010

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704022804575041544115791952.html

The journal finally issued a full retraction of a study it ran in 1998 linking measles-mumps-rubella vaccines to autism. The paper, with Dr. Andrew Wakefield as lead author, sent British parents fleeing from inoculations and fed U.S. alarm over preservatives in vaccines.
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The Lancet decision came after the General Medical Council—Britain's medical regulator—ruled last week that Dr. Wakefield had acted "dishonestly and irresponsibly." The panel confirmed years of allegations that he had been untruthful about his patients and funding and had shown a "callous disregard" for the children—subjecting them to invasive and unnecessary procedures. Only with the GMC now considering whether to strip Dr. Wakefield of his license has the Lancet finally said it "fully retract this paper from the published record."
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From the Infectious Diseases Society of America:
Vaccine Studies: Examine the Evidence
It's junk science, pure and simple.

darlene1029 · Mar 15, 2010

There's something terribly wrong when infant vaccines go from 10 to over 30.
The AMA and Pediatrics go by the studies of these so called scientists.
I raised 4 children from them 9 grandchildren and I can tell you non of them had all that poison pumped into them and are healthier then most. Most of the doctors I had for my children agreed with me and in fact it was a clinic when my children were very young that steered me toward a more natural way of dealing with illnesses.
No I didn't pray or wish them away simply did not pump them full of anti biotics and other poisons the drug companies were testing out (for profit)

That's all I have to say here. Except my heart goes out to any parent who put their trust in there doctors only to end up harming their children to where they can not live a normal life.

Rikky · Mar 15, 2010

darlene1029 said: ↑

There's something terribly wrong when infant vaccines go from 10 to over 30.
The AMA and Pediatrics go by the studies of these so called scientists.
I raised 4 children from them 9 grandchildren and I can tell you non of them had all that poison pumped into them and are healthier then most. Most of the doctors I had for my children agreed with me and in fact it was a clinic when my children were very young that steered me toward a more natural way of dealing with illnesses.
No I didn't pray or wish them away simply did not pump them full of anti biotics and other poisons the drug companies were testing out (for profit)

That's all I have to say here. Except my heart goes out to any parent who put their trust in there doctors only to end up harming their children to where they can not live a normal life.
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Your going off your own personal experience,you were lucky,what your omitting are the thousands of children who have contracted measles,mumps,polio,diphtheria ect. ect. I can't in good conscience let your statement stand Darlene I'm sorry its ridiculous,these 'so called scientists' have saved millions of lives through medical research.

Do some research into how many children are lost to these treatable diseases in third world countries,your heart goes out to us because we have doctors and advanced treatments? We are lucky,ask a parent who's child has polio,whos throat is swollen with diphtheria or whose has lost a child to measels if they could have a vaccine that would have prevented it, these are the parents your heart should go out to.

Conspiracy theories are usually harmless and that's all this is but your advocating parents don't trust their doctors which is a terrible message to spread IMO.

Diphtheria

http://www.idph.state.il.us/images/diphtheria2.jpg

Polio

http://www.immune.org.nz/site_resources/Professionals/Diseases/Polio/Polio.jpg

Measles

http://www.worldcare.com/selfcarenavigator/topicimages/measles1.jpg

Tetanus

http://www.rivm.nl/infectieziektenbulletin/bul126/tetanus.jpg

I hope I've made my point,Trust your doctors they are there to help.

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