Protecting son

Discussion in 'Software' started by BubbleBlower, Jun 19, 2010.

  1. BubbleBlower

    BubbleBlower Private E-2

    Hi Guys

    Not sure if anyone can help but I would like to know what my son is getting up to on his machine, especially with regard to chatting on MSN. He is pretty good on machines and has changed his passwords etc. so I can't just log in as him anymore.

    What I would like to do is find a way of cracking his passwords - win7 logon and MSN if possible so that I can log on as him as I don't wish to reset the passwords as that would tell him that I don't trust him to behave sensibly.

    Is there anything out there that will allow me to do this?
     
  2. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi

    This is a difficult type of question to answer, in relation to cracking passwords as if we post steps on a public forum the information can be used for non legal purposes, so no-one tends to post steps due to this.

    With not knowing your circumstances as families are all different I would tackle this in a way my sister with my help did, in that my neices do not have administrator access to the PC, they only have basic user access, in this way you would as the admin have full control over the PC, I know it maybe hard to approach this with your son now as he likely has the admin account on that PC, but what we did was to say to them was you will need to save any information you have as the PC is being re-installed with "sister" as administratior and "you" as a basic user, so we can protect you from the perils of the internet, a few tears but it was either that or the router would be set to bar that PC from the internet (can use the MAC address of the PCs network card to bar it in the router).

    We then setup the accounts and made sure the admin account password was a strong one and not written down anywhere and if the children did hack the account password the PC would be taken off them.

    But if you wish to try and crack the windows logon password then try searches for that text like "recover windows password" or "crack windows password" but posting steps on a public forum for me is not an option as the info would be open abuse I'm afraid.
     
  3. BILLMCC66

    BILLMCC66 Bionic Belgian

    I saw this post this morning and did not know how to reply without offending the OP but you did it perfectly.
     
  4. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Cheers Bill, its a hard type of question to answer, while some forums may answer this question, we dont tend too.


    While I posted about re-installing Windows, we did do this even though its drastic step but I installed a newwer version of Windows anyways in Vista, due to the parental controls it has, but you dont need to go this way, all you need to attempt is to get your son to give you the password for the admin account, create a new admin account for you and then make his account a Standard User one. (this can be done in Control Panel > User Accounts)

    You will then have the option in Parental Controls for Win7 to allow or deny him the option of installing any applications unless you agree to it and also to limit his access to the internet and various applications, this can be set to times of use.
     
  5. BubbleBlower

    BubbleBlower Private E-2

    Thanks for the replies, and appreciate what you are saying, it is something that I have been considering. However having full access to the machine doesn't give me access to his emails as they are web based (hotmail).
     
  6. hrlow2

    hrlow2 MajorGeek

    Who actually bought the machine?
    How old is your son?
    My neighbor from a few years ago had a similar,in reverse, problem. He had full control as Administrator, son had a guest (limited) account. His 14 year old son got PO'ed at him for some reason. The son went to a tech forum (not here) and posted pretty much the same explanation.
    Tech site provided him a way to get control. Father then found himself getting all kinds of bills where the kid was using his account. Guy was having ALL passwords saved, so kid had a field day.Denied knowing what was happening.Bills were from porn sites, you name it, the boy was trying to buy it.
     
  7. silas

    silas MajorGeek

    Like people have said we do not know what is going on in the family/son. Maybe hes already a trouble one, maybe hes already looking at porn, maybe hes already doing things. But in the end your kid will continue no matter what you do to watch/read his stuff. I know for personally that when I was younger I talked to girls and guys and heck even looked at porn when little and dumb. You can take his privs or computer away and he will just go else where to use it or view it. Also if hes a trouble kid then do more instead of letting him use the pc, take it away totally. Take things away for longer times... its 2010 and internet/computers are way out there..
     
  8. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    Unless he has MSN set to save his IM messages, you won't know what he is chatting about.

    And it appears as though you already do not trust him. Wanting to see his emails is a serious invasion of his privacy. Do you really want to do this? Is this the message you want to send to him?

    About the only thing that you will get if you can access his user account is where he has been on the internet, unless he is smart enough to know how to delete his internet history.

    If you think you need to control his computer usage, then by all means go into it and change his password and type of account he has. But you better set up a very strong password on your Admin. account in both normal and safe mode or else he will just change his account back to an Admin account.

    Your difficulty will be with explaining to him why you are doing this.
     
  9. indyattic

    indyattic Corporal

    As a parent, it isn't really that hard. "Because I said so," accomplishes it quite well.
     
  10. hrlow2

    hrlow2 MajorGeek

    Not in this day and age, when all they need to do is visit a friend or go to the public Library.
     
  11. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    It still communicates "I don't trust you!!"

    The only way to circumvent all of this is to have his computer in a public room, as opposed to in his bedroom with the door closed. ( Again, communicating the same I don't trust you message. )
     
  12. Mimsy

    Mimsy Superior Imperial Queen of the MG Games Forum

    Actually, to me it would communicate, "I don't trust you, and I am taking all your privacy away". Which obviously would have made it extremely difficult for me to stay in touch with my boyfriend at all, and that in turn would have led to some serious, serious family conflict.

    It's all in what you want to accomplish. Do you want full control over your kid's online activity, or do you want to have an open and trusting relationship with them where they are comfortable sharing some of it with you, and you are comfortable that what they choose to keep private is harmless?
     
  13. hrlow2

    hrlow2 MajorGeek

    Have you thought about just sitting down and discussing your concerns with him?
    Done properly, without making demands, can sometimes pay off with some surprising dividends.
    Could actually bring you closer together.
     
  14. BubbleBlower

    BubbleBlower Private E-2

    To answer the main theme here, yes I do trust him, but he is only 10 and I don't trust the people he may be talking to, and I certainly don't trust a couple of his school friends. As I am sure other parents have found it is difficult trying to gauge the line between invasion of privacy and wanting to protect your kids. With the older ones I had no issues but this one is much more easily led by his so-called mates and I would rather stop any trouble before it starts.
     
  15. hrlow2

    hrlow2 MajorGeek

    How old are the others?
    Does he respect them enough to listen to them if they explained?
     
  16. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    At age 10, I would still suggest that his computer be in a public place. It is either that or you sit him down and have a very good heart to heart talk with him about the dangers of the web. How certain things can get not just him, but also you in legal troubles.
     
  17. Mimsy

    Mimsy Superior Imperial Queen of the MG Games Forum

    That's where the real difficulty is, of course. You may have some control over his online activities, but you have absolutely zero control over his friends and the people he might be talking to online.

    A friend of mine set up an arrangement with her son (who at the time was 7, which admittedly is a bit younger), where he can have his own computer in his room, for fun and games, but without an internet connection. Anything he needs to do online, he gets to use a guest account on her computer. It seems to work out very well for them, but that may be because her son didn't have regular access to the internet before the set things up this way, so he didn't lose anything.

    Tim's suggestion of having the computer where you can casually glance over his shoulder, like in the family room, is one that nearly every family I know uses.
     
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2010

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