This Will Be Fun! (AR-15 Lower Build)

Awesome! looks like a new AR rifle is to join the fold. Already have the 'upper', which is the upper assembly, barrel, bolt and all. The lower is the lower receiver, trigger assembly, stock and all. TONS of springs and roll pins... Kinda like a jigsaw puzzle.

I will post up a picture of all the parts, and one of the assembled lower, assuming I can get it together.. :-D

Got a couple of little mods for the gun, ambi single point sling attachment, a single point sling, and of course the MagPull BAD. This is for my 6.8SPC hunting/SHTF gun.

Deer season for me will be in January 2011. Watch out Bambi... :-D


Can you have too many assault rifles?

 

I'd have to say . . . nope!

 

you can never have too many assault rifles...shoot, you can never have too many firearms....especially with the Zombie Wars on the horizon.

 

Waco wasn't about assault rifles. It was about people failing to obey the government and people screwing up the attempt to bring them to heel.

 

Just for arguments sake,Waco was very much about assault rifles of exactly the type Fred has and is converting.

Of course I'm sure Fred isn't converting his rifles for automatic fire, doesn't believe he's God or abuse his followers.

And I know for a fact Fred is quit happy with the current administration rolleyesrolleyesrolleyes

:-D

 

Dang buffer tube is jamming! I got all the parts in, and it won't work! And for the record, all my firearms are purchased legally, and the only 'mods' I do are color related, or accessories legally available in this country.

As far as Waco goes, I will not respond to that, as it seem a bit political.

I am by no means and expert, but I thought the take down pins in the M16 were a different size, so the AR-15 and AR-10 would not work with them.

The AR platform is highly modable in legal ways. Multiple calibers, stocks, triggers, sights, scopes, grips, and rails and such. I would love to fire an M16 just for fun, but would not want one, I spend too much on ammo as it is, with my semi auto guns! :-D

"And I know for a fact Fred is quit happy with the current administration"

After Tuesday, I am a bit more happy with them, yes. :-D

 

Now correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the classification of a "Machine Gun" was a long barrel rifle that does not have a Semi- action setting or the first setting as Full Auto.
Surley putting 2 Assault Rifles together would just make another Assault Rifle, a bit like putting parts from 2 Motorbikes together would not make a car.
Isn't this the age old argument of the AK47, the selector switch moves from "Safe-Full Auto-Semi Auto" meaning it was designed to fire Full Auto before Semi, plus the fact it fires the 7.62 round which was designed for a Light Machine Gun.

A pointless argument I know, but still, no matter what you do to an M16 and AR you do not have a machine gun.

Unless I'm wrong :-D

@Fred... you worry me, I think you should get into Paintball or Airsoft Much safer.

Although I dare say it's fun to fiddle :-D

 

"machine gun noun
Definition of MACHINE GUN
: a gun for sustained rapid fire that uses bullets; broadly : an automatic weapon
— machine–gun verb
— machine gun·ner noun"

I have semi automatic rifles. Often called 'assault rifles' I think because they 'look more dangerous'. The 7.62 is pretty much a .308, a common hunting round. Same with the 5.56 NATO, we have the .223 often used for target, small game.

Airsoft? WT... :-D

 

The 7.62 the AK-47 fires is only 39mm long and thus is more like a large pistol round. The 7.62 machine gun round is 51mm long in it's American/NATO version. So it's considerably more powerful and more accurate.

What I meant was that there isn't really a legal definition for Assault Rifles. There are Semi-Auto, and Full-Auto rifles, but Assault Rifles is a scareword, designed to make people concerned about them so they can pass laws that are loosely defined and poorly worded.

 

I agree with you Triaxx... I never understood that. They don't like them because they look more scary I guess.

Got my lower finished late last night. Have not shot it yet, but it seems to be working properly. LoL, no extra parts left over, guess that is good. :-D

 

A large pistol round?It has a muzzle velocity of 2400fps pistols have a muzzle velocity of around 1100fps and will shoot through a quarter inch piece of steel at 100 yards,it has a third more muzzle energy than 5.56 NATO rifle round.

Sorry triaxx I can't help myself :-D

Fred more pictures!Could you post a pic of your two barrels together and point out the differences,does the 6.8 barrel have the same diameter?Can I see your scope too?

My bro has his shotgun interview yesterday,a cop came round his house to interview him,not sure how it went yet...

 

The barrels seem to be the same diameter, I don't have a caliper to measure, but using a tape they look the same, the 6.8 just has a bigger hole in it. :cool

Will try to get some photo's later on, dang camera is acting up. Scope: http://www.amazon.com/Compact-Red-Green-Illuminated-Sniper-Release/dp/B001NPC7M0 Dang, I paid over $100 for mine!

Only 2400fps? Bah, my 6.8 hunting rounds start out at 2600fps. :-D The 5.56 is a fun round to shoot, but does seem a bit wimpy for a combat round. And no, I will not volunteer to be a 'test target' for anyone with a 5.56 gun!

Shotgun interview??? Yikes, seems a bit 'big brotherish'. But, different countries, different rights. Hope the shotgun liked your brother and decides to stay! :-D

 

Something about Neds remark on putting 2 motorcycles together put me in mind of this.

http://www.allpar.com/cars/concepts/tomahawk.html

 

"The Tomahawk is a Viper V-10 based motorcycle, a 500 horsepower engine with four wheels beneath it."

Holy S... :-D Now that is a crotch rocket!

 

I would just like to point out you are talking about legal definitions in the USA (I presume) I'm talking about a worldwide definition between the 2.

As far as I know a "Machine Gun" such as an M60 or M249 etc does not have an option for Semi Auto fire.

Not arguing , just clarrifying the fact that I'm not talking about what the American "Law" says, I'm talking about worldwide classification.

The classification that any auto fire weapon is a machine gun basically puts the Full Auto Glock pistol, MP5, M16 and M60 all in the same category

Anyway, Fred, are you like a backyard customizer (meaning you simply know what to get and how to put it together through experience) or do you have some sort of manual that tells you what to buy and how to fit?

 

Kinda funny how different states in the US have different laws regarding legal civilian guns. I think in CA, you can only have a 10 round mag, and it has to require a tool to remove it.... In NY (I think) you can't have an adjustable stock...

As far as building them, it is just like a PC. You can buy a fully assembled gun, or you can buy a fully assembled upper and lower, or you can put them together yourself. This was my first time assembling a lower, pretty easy, I was lucky to have a working upper to look at. Would like to assemble an upper one day, but that is a bit more complicated. Just google AR-15 lower parts kit. Lot's of mods for guns, just like PC's.

Oh, I did not need it, but when I got my first AR, I got a manual... "U.S. Marine Corps Technical Manual" Rifle, 5.56-MM M16A2 W/E. From 1984.

I have never been in the military, but the Marines I have met seem to know how to use a rifle. :-D

 

The 16 is or was a nice weapon, but the shells had a very bad habit of going off track if barely glancing anything on the way.
Light weight and high speeds were not the best then for stopping power.
I would select an M-1 instead any day.

And I have used them in the military.

 

Some of the above issues are why my hunting assault rifle is a 6.8 SPC, not the little 5.56... http://www.ssarmory.com/6.8_spc_ammo-110gr_Sierra_Pro_Hunter.aspx

The 5.56 or .223 sure is a lot cheaper to shoot... $30 for 100 rounds vs 1$ a bullet for the 6.8. Remington makes some cheaper ammo, but it is not SPECII. :cry And Remington invented the dang 6.8 SPC... Arg... Well, that is a rant for another day.

 

Disagree about the M-16 - it was a POS. The later mods (A1, A2) made it more durable, but the original 16 was a nightmare in the field - get a speck of dirt in it, and it would jam every time. You couldn't use it on full auto for any length of time, either, because the damn barrel would warp.
I went through basic with the M-14, which in my opinion was a very good weapon - you could use the thing as a tent pole, shovel, battering ram, etc., and it would fire 'til the cows came home.
Agreed with the M-1 Garand, unless you had very small hands. The M-1 Carbine, however, was an officer's weapon - we laughed at it.
Thank goodness I AIT'd into Special Ops, and we were allowed to carry unauth weapons of choice.

 

I have heard the original m16 was a POS. My manual is for the M16A2 model. And my guns are AR-15 A2. If I am thinking right, it was the rate of fire was too high in the original ones, and they jammed like crazy. I forget what, but they tweaked it out and got a decent gun. Should have had it working right before it was issued...

I have no clue how mine would do in field use, but they do very well at the range with minimal cleaning. Big difference between military use and civilian use. If mine goes click instead of boom, I miss a paper target, or maybe a deer. Whole 'nother story if you are deployed with one.

 

In the A1 model, it was 20 rounds in 3.5 seconds on full auto.

 

Yeah, everything after the original was an improvement. From what I've heard from some of the guys at Bragg, that AR-15 A2 is a pretty sweet machine.

 

I can do 30 rounds in about 30 to 40 secs if I am feeling the need to destroy paper at a faster pace. We usually run a mag of 5.56 as fast as we can, just because it is fun. Then we actually shoot at a normal rate. :cool

Odd, this shows the A2 has a higher rounds per min.
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as18-e.htm

Ahh, like my AR, not a military gun expert.

 

That is 3 1/2 seconds.
Mind,though, at that it was pulling from lower left to upper right. So a good bit of it was just saying "Watch out".

 

Yes, sounds like fun. Mine don't have the full auto option... :-D Good thing for my wallet. In 30 to 40 seconds, I can get a decent pattern on a target shooting 30 rounds from my 5.56 gun. The 6.8 jumps off target a bit more, and I really have never tried rapid fire with it. Ammo costs too much.

 

Get that thing down pat if you're going to be hunting. There's nothing worse and/or dangerous than chasing a wounded animal.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxaTCz96y68&feature=fvst

 

Absolutely. I might hunt with the 6.8 this year. Hunting and playing around at the range are different things. If I do hunt, it will most likely be in January, due to my work. But the gun will be sighted in, and will use the best ammo I can get.

Rapid fire is fun, with the scope, I take my time. :major

 

Look up.:-D

 

LOL, I have seen that. Dude dropped his weapon, and did not have a backup gun? Pwned. :-D

 

Ya, what about his ex-friend who was taping this. Too much 'eau de buck?!roflmao

 

LOL, I would keep taping. He dropped his gun... While being attacked. Maybe the aspiring filmaker was Darwin?:-D

 

You're a meanie. Ya, ripe for the Darwin awards.:-D Damn, imagine if that hit you? Broken ribs or jaw or serious concussion!

 

LoL, when being attacked by anything, don't drop your gun... Really, just don't drop your gun. Litter is bad. :-D

 

Could have been even worse.
Could have been rutting season.

 

I see. I was speaking only about the US.

The M-16 in it's original form was a POS. The Armalite AR-15 which is what Eugene Stoner designed, was not. Not only did they switch to a cheaper, but more fouling powder type, but also decided that it was not necessary to chrome the chamber. Both of which were specified in the original design, and were changed in later versions. As designed it functions beautifully.

The real problem is when it met the hyper-reliable AK-47 inside it's terrifyingly effective range. When I said oversize pistol, I meant that it's a relatively short range weapon, and it's accuracy suffers beyond a fairly short distance. Where the M-16 can 'reach out and touch' someone from quite a long distance away. And do it on purpose.

 

That is one reason the AR platform is so much fun Triaxx, it ranges from .22LR, 9mm, 5.56, 6.8SPC, 6.5 Grendal, 2.23 Wylde, 7.62, .50 Beowulf, and the .458 Socom just to name a few flavors. :-D

Pick your range, bullet size and caliber... 500 to 600 grain bullets, that .458 is on my list. Way down on the bottom, but it is there.

 

Do you pack your own ammo, Fred? Reason I ask: there's a guy that lives near here, got into the dies and presses, etc. so much that he's hardly ever seen shooting anymore - just spends time in his shop, making fancy rounds. Fascinating stuff.

 

Reloading is on my list as well Caliban, but the gun purchases went over my gun budget this year. :-D After the first of the year, I will start sniffing around for a used setup. Most people who reload say you really don't save much money, but you can roll up some nice rounds that are extremely accurate in your gun(s).

 

Particularly since you can load them for precise pressure and even the exact round you want. Discarding Sabot for deer hunting. Hollowpoint for bear...

 

Thanks,yeah his interview went fine the cop is coming back with his license.

The reason for the visit was mainly to check security,he has a gun cabinet that meets UK rules but the cop was being an a-hole we think,it was already bolted to the wall with 4 rawl bolts but he cop wanted it to be bolted into the corner so it was bolted into two walls rolleyes

But anyway he's moved the cabinet and re bolted it so should be fine,when he gets his license I'm going with him to choose a gun He's allowed a 2 round magzine with one in the pipe,pump/auto :drool

EDIT BTW I consider an assault rifle anything that shoots semi auto or has a magazine,IMHO anything with a magazine that shoots semi auto is wayy too much for hunting and isn't really sporting,bolt action should be fine for ANY animal.

 

Yeah the AK sucks at accuracy,one of the things I learned the other day about the AK although it hasn't got the greatest barrel or trigger another thing that affects its accuracy is the size of its gas piston,due to the low quality the machining tolerances aren't great so the gas piston is oversized,every time you fire a round the huge gas piston flies back affecting your shot and the one after that.

Many of the AK's problems have been addressed with the Ak74 revision,they've kept all the best parts of the AK like its reliability but shrunk the cartridge down to a 5.45mm similar to the NATO 5.56 round.

 

Might depend on your sport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95vXx6dcySE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j6ltipD8hY

Watched a much better video, but can't find it. Few could do well with a 3 shot in this type of competition.

Or this one. A mag fed shotgun... :drool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2NLz-kgUoE

 

Have you ever tried to shoot rabbits with a single shot bolt-action? Not only is a rabbit not an easy target, but you also loose sight picture if you miss while you're trying to work the action.

If you want to be sporting about it, then going out into the woods armed with a knife is sporting. I don't hunt for sport, I hunt to slice off the tender bits and roast them over a fire, because it's delicious.

Oh, and you're wrong. A .50 caliber isn't an unfair advantage if you're hunting bear. You want something that's going to kill it in as few shots as possible, but that can finish it off so you don't leave a wounded and DANGEROUS animal out in the woods. I really fail to sympathize with people who don't get hunting.

 

Dangerous is right.
Many times the hunter has become the hunted, without knowing it until TOO late.

 

What would you call this type of shooting?

 

First off there was never any illegal weapons found at Waco. Second, Reno would have thought anybody with a weapon and a bible would have been an extremest and a cult member.:-D

I also believe Major Geek's news slants to the left... JMHO :cool

 

:-D Isn't skiing dangerous enough... :-D

 

New form of Skeet, maybe???

 

Photochop shooting