A bit of a rant

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by tonyhale, Nov 19, 2010.

  1. tonyhale

    tonyhale Lounge Lizard No.2

    Nuclear plant body parts scandal (Redfern report) strange how the report surfaces when all but one of the ghouls who where involved are dead. Doctors at the plant removed organs and body parts without consent, in one case a femur was replace with a broom handle so as to retain a convincing body shape.
    May those, who in the name of science perpetrated these vile acts, answer to which ever higher power they worshiped.
     
  2. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi Tony

    Dont mean to come off nasty or rude but do you have linkage corroboration of this story? I'm in the science vain and like evidence or evidentiary proof and testimony.... but this could be a hot topic and as we dont have that forum area now, its wise to tread lightly.
     
  3. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    The only story I have heard involved morticians removing body part ( such as femurs ) to sell for implants.
     
  4. augiedoggie

    augiedoggie The Canadian Loon - LocoAugie (R.I.P. 2012)

    Ya, there was a CSI episode about that, truth or fiction? There was this recent story in the US where a coroner can keep body parts without telling anyone outside. quite the macabre story IMO. Perhaps this is similar though doing this with a bunch of employees does smack of inappropriate behaviour. I'd like to see the link too.

    CNNNews
     
  5. satrow

    satrow Major Geek Extraordinaire

    Here's one. I read some others yesterday too.

    http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/2082588_awe_families_given_body_parts_apology

    The inquiry has been ongoing since 2005 I think http://www.theredferninquiry.co.uk/
     
    Last edited: Nov 19, 2010
  6. tonyhale

    tonyhale Lounge Lizard No.2

    Hi Halo,

    The Redfern Report is in the public domain and outlines all the evidence conected with this outrageous case.
     
  7. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Again which link, if you cannot link to the topic you created why create it?


    I know who Michael Redfern QC is and he has many reports and most on the nuclear issue with human tissue, sadly I'm certinally not going to guess on a topic thats serious, so is this the issue with tissue reomval from workers at Nuclear facilities (generally BNFL) between 1960 and 1992?

    As Redfern also delt with the The Royal Liverpool Children's Hospital issue of a doctor removing human tissue without consent, is it this one?

    We can all search the internet for the person or a report but not always going to be the right topic, an "I think" is not a definate, its a guess.

    This is why the Hot Topics forum was removed too much ambiguity in topics and replies.
     
  8. satrow

    satrow Major Geek Extraordinaire

    You must be referring to my "I think", which, if taken in context, was referring to when I thought the inquiry had begun
    Which was a counter to Tony's comment
    This was followd by a link to the UK Government site (http://www.theredferninquiry.co.uk/) which has published the "Final report of the Redfern Inquiry delivered to Parliament, on Tuesday 16th November, by Chris Huhne, Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change."



    To Tony: It's always good form to link a topic back to as close to the original source as you can, even the 'News' websites have started to do this recently.
     
  9. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi

    Well yes I did take the "I think" as a random thought and sorry for that but in a thread that is to deal with real live scientific information then it should be accurate and links included to the original material, as thats relevent if not then what is the point.

    Indeed I know of http://www.theredferninquiry.co.uk/ as I work in the health service and DoH emails on topics of relivence I do get and the original docs on this if its the subject of the UKAEA an BNFL and its withholding of info pertaining to nuclear workers who died and organs where kept without patients relitives permission then yes they are HERE two volumes and interesting reading (see not hard to link too).

    Now on the subject was it right to keep these tests secret, well NO but was it right to conduct the tests then YES, who knows what Pu02 would affect the lymph nodes over a period of years, the science was correct in doing the way it was conducted was not.

    We need to know the affects of what nuclear energy will have on workers in that industry over a period of years as this is a hot energy resource at present on many continents.

    Its a arbitrary ruling but as some cases where from before 1961 the where not subject to the Rule 107 Human Tissue Act 1961, so while not personally correct it was not a legal act at that time to disclose.... not humanly correct in a humaniterian vain but these things will happen and have done for many years, great thing is hindsight.
     
    Last edited: Nov 20, 2010
  10. BILLMCC66

    BILLMCC66 Bionic Belgian

    I feel that it is reprehensible to remove the organs and body parts without first asking the families of the bereaved but having said that if they had explained the situation the outcome may have been different.

    As for me they can have all the bits they want after i am dead because i don't need them any more just so long as they give my wife all the metal bits to take to the junk yard.
     
  11. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    I agree with you Bill, but all this has happened many years ago and I would guess today we would be much different...
     
  12. rustyjack

    rustyjack MajorGeek

  13. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Thats great but I have read the two offcial docs (linked in my post earlier) from the Redfern inquiry and that BBC peace from 2007 is just a outline and a searched link over actually reading the topic, did you read the topic and know what the subject is about?


    I totally agree its not right but the years in which this was conducted where not modern days (1960s+) and we now have much better laws in place for this not to happen.
     
  14. Phantom

    Phantom Brigadier Britches

    Notwithstanding the fact that nearly everyone in 21st Century Western World would regard the unauthorized removal of human body parts and/or organs thoroughly unacceptable by modern standards, as stated, that hasn't always been the case.
    In the 50's to early '60's era, many clandestine tests were carried out by our own, not to mention, enemy, secret service and Para-military agencies. The famous case of the drugging with L.S.D. and suspected murder of Dr. Frank Olson in the early sixties is a classic example as part of the 'M.K. Ultra' experiments, as was the doping of water given to children with radio-isotopes in the '20's to 40's era.
    Before we start getting excited and calling them War Criminals - keep in mind that only a few decades earlier, they were the patriotic actions of our official security agencies and governments.
    The point I'm alluding to, is that ethical concepts are guidelines only, and their perception can be radically altered according to time-frame, age and culture, unless there are rigid ethical guidelines which cannot and will not be crossed under any circumstances. Then that begs the question of exactly what ethics do we want to so rigidly expound, and to whom should it apply. More to the point - is it practicable and applicable in the first place.
    Todays "evil ghoul" may be tomorrow’s “medical messiah”.
    {For the record - Yes, I am against ad-hoc spare parting of human bodies. However things aren't always as clear as they first seem.}
     
  15. tonyhale

    tonyhale Lounge Lizard No.2


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