Backup software question

Discussion in 'Software' started by JimLL, Dec 15, 2010.

  1. JimLL

    JimLL I can't follow the rules

    If I'm not supposed to ask, somebody bawl me out, otherwise...

    I'm looking at a backup package that puts a bootable copy of my system on an external USB drive - BounceBack by CMS. There seem to be some problems with it. Are there those here who think this isn't a good package?

    BTW, this is the "Essential" version, not the "Ultimate" version.

    JimLL
     
  2. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi JimLL

    No its a fine question, but sadly I have not used that package so cannot comment on if its OK or not, but what I will add is all backups are well worth doing as never know when your PC or HDD etc will die on you.

    What are the issues you have found with it?


    I personally use Acronis True Image 2011, Macrium Reflect and/or Easeus Todo and while they dont produce a bootable image of the HDD, they do allow from a Startup CD/DVD for you to restore your system easily and Acronis has not failed me yet, as I use a default Image build of Windows 7 x64 to test applciations out on, so re-install on a test machine all the time as I need a vanilla install.
     
  3. JimLL

    JimLL I can't follow the rules

    The backup USB drive booted fine, but then the installation apparently disappeared. I reinstalled, then the thing didn't even recognize its own backup and insisted on wiping it out.

    By all backups I hope you mean all but those that don't work.

    I'll have to add, "and those you can figure out." I bought Acronis. I have no doubt it is really great for geeks with super memory and multitasking skills.

    JimLL
     
  4. JimLL

    JimLL I can't follow the rules

    Hey guys and gals, I'd really like some genuine input here. The Store has software for sale - some at a discount - and I'd like to see something _FAR_ simpler than Acronis in there. But I'd really like to know if BounceBack has been overlooked or if it has been determined not to be up to MG standards. If no one in this particular section knows anything about it, would someone please tell me how can I get an authoritative reply?
     
    Last edited: Dec 16, 2010
  5. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    I used to hang around quite a few forums (I've cut back) and truthfully I've never heard of BounceBack. This tells me it isn't a good program or people would be mentioning it on those forums.

    You really should get to know Acronis TrueImage. I've used it for several years and it has saved my bacon a few times, particularly on an old HP laptop that does its own thing from time to time so I need to restore an image just to let the laptop know who is in charge. :-D

    The first thing to do with Acronis is make make the recovery disk. Don't make an image yet.
    Boot the computer with the recovery disk you burned. If it works, then you can uninstall Acronis from the computer and make and restore all your images from this disk even before windows loads. That works much better than trying to create an image from inside windows.
     
  6. pattyandme

    pattyandme Private E-2

    Ive built a system simmular to dells 3 partition system

    dos,windows,recovery

    using a dos utility called savepart.exe

    It will save to pretty much anything you want to save it to.

    will recover as long as the recovered partition is the same partition number as when it was saved and is large enough to hold the recoverd image.

    runs in full dos

    free
     
  7. JimLL

    JimLL I can't follow the rules

    I paid $60 or $70 for it. As I suggested, you have to know computers well to use it. I knew computers well enough, I was majoring in a double computer engineering/computer science degree but my memory is really shot after a stroke while I was actually taking those courses and the tiny degree of keeping track of lots of bits and pieces at one time went with it. While reading page 2 I can't remember what was on page 1. I can't do math any more either and I was once top in my state.

    I've been around enough decades to know that the smarter people are the less they can grasp even a little of how hard it can be for other people. CMS's Bounceback had another name at one time, but surprise, I can't remember what it was.

    As I said, I'm well aware that Acronis is great for people who can manage it. But not everyone can and that doesn't mean they are lazy as I've heard suggested many, many times. Some of us simply need much simpler programs, and Bounceback is that.

    Why doesn't Acronis make their software easy to use and make it so it DOESN'T NEED that CD to even be made? CMS worked it out so the backup hard drive is bootable - either on the USB or actually to replace the existing system drive. Why can't Acronis do that? Why does it have to be something written by programmers to impress programmers?

    Thank god, some developers are beginning to write programs you don't need to take classes to use them.
     
  8. foogoo

    foogoo Major "foogoo" Geek

    Windows Home Server does backups, you do need cd boot cd to recover, but you could make *any* cd into a bootable USB drive via Flashboot.
     
  9. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    Consider the possibility that your hard drive dies. With my Acronis disk and a new hard drive, I can use my image on a new hard drive to get the computer with the dead hard drive working again. That's why you make a recovery disk - so you do not need a thing on the dead hard drive to perform a complete recovery.

    I have very little formal computer training; most of what I've learned is self-taught. I'm a retired senior citizen who was a math teacher. I have not had a stroke thus far but my memory sure isn't what it used to be when I was younger. I now keep extensive notes and only hope that when I need them, I can find what I'm looking for.

    As far as Acronis, get someone who uses it to show you how to use it and write down the steps, keeping the notes with the recovery disk. I have a pretty clueless computer user who lives two hours away from me. We worked on getting his computer restored using the Acronis recovery disk and the DVDs I burned when I imaged his computer. We did this over the phone. I can't drive 2 hours one way every time he has a computer problem.
     
  10. JimLL

    JimLL I can't follow the rules

    I already asked that question myself and with very good reason. CMS Bounceback makes a bootable copy of your main hard drive to a USB external (even puts it on a larger drive if you want) and installs a dual boot to it. If you are busy you can instantly restart and select to boot to it with it still in the external (assuming the right hardware), or you can put the external into your computer as a total replacement and go with it.

    Acronis is way behind the times. It seems odd being 71 and telling people to get modern. I'm glad I deleted it from my system and threw away the CD's, and years ago already I was tired of people telling me I would find it easy if I really tried. I left an operating system years ago (which was better than windows at the time), because it required bits and pieces like boot CD's and I couldn't do it anymore and was poor at my best.

    Now who can I talk to to get MG to check BB out?
     
  11. Major Attitude

    Major Attitude Co-Owner MajorGeeks.Com Staff Member

    Why do you want a bootable version of Windows? Its an important question, OR do you want to back up your partition to restore as needed.

    Acronis has a LOT of questions, I have used it for year, BUT you only need to do a few steps, then click through to the end. You tell it what partition to back up (usually C:) then where to back it up t (usually a spare hard drive like D:) and the rest is next, next, next, next. In other words optional. Its nice because you can also restore back to a certain date of the entire drive at any point.

    If you want to protect your computer, you could consider using a Sandbox which allows you to play on your computer with actually using your computer. VirtualBox does this, but I will be honest it might be hard to get set up.

    Again, it really depends on your goal. I will look into BounceBack, maybe I will like it :)
     
  12. JimLL

    JimLL I can't follow the rules

    I already said why. In the event your current drive goes south. I don't understand why that would be hard to grasp.

    But that doesn't prevent incremental backups and partial restores. I don't understand why anyone would assume that either.

    The other, higher priced version has more diddly buttons than I would even know what to do with.

    Another thing. As is obviously necessary for this kind of setup, files on the backup drive are not turned into something unrecognizable. There is a real copy of your hard drive there and you can use it however you want.
     
  13. mcsmc

    mcsmc MajorGeek

    Hi Jim,

    I completely understand what it's like to have a useful program but not be able to use its features. I know a bit about computers, but definitely DON'T know a lot more. However, I really don't know ANYTHING about vehicles... I'm doing good to change my own oil. What I do when I can't figure something out, though, is Google for tutorials.

    One tutorial I found for Acronis is here:

    http://www.davescomputertips.com/articles/general/how_to_use_acronis_true_image.php

    I suggest that you print that out if you can afford the ink/paper, as reading hard copies imprints memory better (you mentioned having memory issues) and is easier than reading on a screen. Not only that, but it's easier to flip through a book to find something rather than search for it on a screen. It does have several images in the tutorial, so it might eat some color ink.

    That's what I do, is print out tutorials, especially on something I'll need to refer to again and again (you're not the only one!). You paid for the program... use the internet's bountiful free help to use it. I guarantee you will feel more at ease about your backup solutions, and at the same time feel a sense of accomplishment.
     
  14. Major Attitude

    Major Attitude Co-Owner MajorGeeks.Com Staff Member

    I have had numerous complaints about your attitude. I own the site, so you need to start checking your attitude at the door. Any attitude you see here comes from me, GOT IT?

    SECOND, NO WHERE here does it say you were worried about your drive going south. IT SAID you wanted a BOOTABLE copy leading me to believe you wanted to run your OS from a USB or similar. Here it is:

    Don't ever f*cking come into my forum, ask for help, then disrespect the people helping you. You have done it repeatedly, if you need help, then suck it up and take the help your given.

    Finally, don't even respond to this, it will be an instant ban, not wasting the time of my moderators (who I had just told to give you some slack for a bit just a couple hours ago), the volunteers here or myself with this FREE SERVICE.

     

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