first gaming pc built!

Discussion in 'Hardware' started by moparman, Jan 22, 2011.

  1. moparman

    moparman Private E-2

    Well first i would like to say hi to everyone on the forum and i love this site Ive been using it for years!

    Any who i was wondering if you guys could help me cool my comp, I have a feeling that my comp is not running as fast as it should cause the heat.
    I have one fan in the front one in the rear and then the ps,video card, and cpu. And so far after looking it up everyone says mounting the ps on the bottom is better?

    well im wondering how in the hell there doing that cause if i did it the ps fan would rip my video card off the motherboard LOL if you look at my setup i am open to literally any advice?

    i don't think you guys care but the spec's are
    Windows xp
    AMD Phenom II X2 565 3.4ghz
    G.Skill ripjaws DDR3 4gig 1333mhz
    MSI 870-G45 Motherboard
    9800 GTX+ 1 gig
    ultra 750 watt
     

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  2. Burrell

    Burrell MajorGeek

    They are most likely talking about cases that allow power supplies to be mounted on the bottom and them to intake air through the bottom of the case, your's does not allow this, and the way you have it mounted now is the only way you can do so.

    Heat does not slow down a computer, it might make it crash under extreme heat but unless you are experiencing lock-ups and BSOD's then i wouldn't worry.

    You could possibly buy yourself a new fan or get a can of air and blast some of that dust out though if you are worried about temps!
     
  3. BILLMCC66

    BILLMCC66 Bionic Belgian

    As you don't mention the temps we do not have enough info.
    Any temps between 40c and 80c with the highest temps being during gaming or under heavy load are perfectly acceptable, if it starts going into the 90s then it is running warm.

    Regarding the PSU, opinions are split as to top/bottom mounted but for me top is best, it helps create a vacuum inside the case and therefore sucks in more cool air through the front of the case.
     
  4. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi

    What makes you think your PC is not running as it should be? asking as the issue may not be hardware but software as in you may just need to do some cleanup of startup apps to a defrag.

    As Burrell mentions some cases how the mount point for the PSU at the bottom, like mine HERE and for you to do this you'd need a new case as yours wont allow the PSU to be mounted this way.

    What are your temps as in CPU, Montherboard, GPU etc?

    What direction are the fans blowing the air as you'd really want the front fan sucking air in and the back case fan blowing it out the back.
     
  5. moparman

    moparman Private E-2

    Thanks for the answers

    Burrell
    What i dont understand is how you guys have your video card flat so that you can put the psu on the bottom?

    BILLMCC66
    Well when i have the side off and am say playing like dirt2 or somethin for only like 2 hours the vid card is like 152 Fahrenheit and the cpu is like 120! Im scared to put it on for along time even if i have to suffer the noise!

    DavidGP
    well its kinda hard to say cause lif i try to transfer stuff that works fine but just say browsing the computer it seems a little slow. if that makes any since and i'm pretty sure after i upgraded it from........
    the 5200fx,pentium 4 3.0 hyperthread,and 1gig of 157mhz ram rolleyes the internet got slower cause on cs the latency is now like 310 min before it was around 260?
     
  6. BILLMCC66

    BILLMCC66 Bionic Belgian

    If by "having the side off" you mean that the case is open then the air flow is disrupted and components will get hot, the case is designed to work best when it is closed.
    As i said your PSU is drawing air from the case and creating a vacuum to draw air in from the bottom front of the case also the front fan is sucking in air and the rear fan then expels the warm air but with the case open it is reliant on ambient temperature.

    If it still gets hot you could always add another fan or replace the 80mm front fan with a 120mm to give a better air flow.
     
  7. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    The card is not flat, so to speak its in the exact same PCI-E slot as in any other motherboard, what the case makers do is to shift the position of the motherboard upm thus allowing the space at the bottom for the PSU as the space that a top mounted PSU is now spare and allows the mounting points for the motherboard to be moved up.

    This old image of when I was re-building my desktop is below and note the PSU at the bottom with a large nvidia 8800GTS graphics card in the middle, the cables are much neater now and the gfx card is now slightly bigger in a nvidia GTX570, but gives you an idea.

    http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/4743/img0021small.jpg

    Did you re-install Windows from scratch then you installed the new hardware or just popped in the previous HDD with Windows installed? if so look in Device manager for any yellow ! marks and mention them if you have any.

    I would be tempted to re-install the ATi system drivers (chipset) to see if re-installing the network drivers helps (drivers are HERE)

    What Service Pack is your XP at?

    If you boot into Safe Mode with networking is your internet ok?

    Have you reset your router to factory settinsg then add your custom settings again, or just reboot it?

    Is your internet ADSL/Cable etc? if ADSL then have you tried changing the DSL filter, ist a small box that sites between the phone main connection and the connection to the router and phone.

    What security applications do you have installed? please name all as too many like applications starting up can slow your internet down, so to test you coudl enter msconfig and disable all items in the Startup tab and reboot and test, then if ok enable one at a time adn reboot, until you find the culprit that slows your internet down.

    It can be hard to trace intermittant issues or speed issues, as the fault may lie in many areas, so may take a while to narrow it down.
     
  8. moparman

    moparman Private E-2

    service pack 3
    and i had to get a new harddirve which pissed me off
    and its comcast with a router
    and my security is
    Bitdefender 2010 total secuirty, malwarebytes, and spybot search and destory-not running
    and believe me im like the most strictest person when it has to do with process running or services for that matter all take a pic

    BILLMCC66
    And i was wondering this would be a lot of work but couldn't i just remount the mb up and than put the psu on the bottom? I don't no if i could say this but being on overclockers.net a lot of them just had it so the psu was on the bottom with it like only 2 inches away from the video card!!!

    "Have you reset your router to factory settings then add your custom settings again, or just reboot it? ....errr well of course... how could i forget that geese what do you take me for in idiot :foolish

    And all together my services are only 45 total started!
     

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  9. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi well sadly not having a crystal ball or voodoo powers, I dont know what you have tried or not, hence why I'm asking multiple questions to help you find the cause :)

    Nothing in Device Manager with a yellow ! mark by it?

    Definatly try Safe Mode with Networking to start and see if thats better speed wise, likely your not going to be able to play an online game but still can test your connection with something like speedtest.net (also has a Pingtest)

    Then try msconfig and the Startup tab to disable all startups, or run the full Clean Boot steps HERE and again try the speedtest.


    Outside chance is as with a new HDD you'd have re-installed Windows is that TCP/IPv6 is enabled and while we are about to make the jump soon into IPv6, just disable it for not to test thats not cauing the slowness in yoru internet, Open Networking up and your Network adapter properties then in the Networking tab in the list untick Internet Protocol Version 6 (TCP/IPv6) then reboot and see if the speed is any better (if not re-enable).
     
  10. moparman

    moparman Private E-2

    sorry about not responding homework all try it right now on speedtest and then safemode speedtest.
    Oh and i was joking about the firefox and router settings i totally spaced out but all still try them
     
  11. moparman

    moparman Private E-2

    well its pretending:-o to be fast but this is a first i think it may have just needed:major

    AHAHA well before i posted it i thought that i must be going crazy so i went to it and tried it again look at the drop:eek and its staying steady at it
     

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  12. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi

    From the Pingtest it looks as if your line quality is not the best, but re-run that test over a number of days and at varying times of day and night to see if its changes.

    I would if you can just have the Modem/Router plugged into the phoneline only, with a DSL filter and see if the speeds change as it could be that another phone in your home maybe afffecting this and if your using a phoen extention cable that can degrade the signal depending on how long it is.

    I tend to have the router/modem next to the main phione socket and run a CAT5e cable instead of a phoneline extention cable as the CAT5e cables dont degrade the signal as much... however I know that in many homes this is not always an easy option to impliment.

    You could always call Comcast and say that your internet is very patchy as per speed and can they test the line quality.
     
  13. dlb

    dlb MajorGeek

    Your PC case will determine if you can mount the PSU on the bottom of the case. Very very cases have the option to install the PSU at the or bottom; it's one or the the other: top OR bottom. I guess if you're really handy with metal working, and your case has enough room, you could mount your PSU at the bottom of the case if it originally a top mount, but keep in mind the case was built a certain way for a reason, so the air flow won't be the same, and the PSU cables may not be long enough; higher end PSUs have longer cables (generally speaking, but I've seen ubercheap PSUs with crazylong cables too). My case has a bottom mount PSU which is rapidly becoming more popular. It makes sense to me, since the the PSU is likely the heaviest component, keeping it at the bottom adds to the physical stability of the PC (meaning that it won't tip over as easily; GREAT if you have pets like a cat or dog). And in most (if not all) bottom-mount PC cases are built so the PSU can either draw in air from the PC and expel it out the back, or you can turn it 180 degrees and have it draw in fresh air from under the case, but this doesn't work real well on carpeting, since most cases have 'feet' less than a half-inch high. I'd recommend at least 1in of space between the carpet/floor and the bottom of the case if you chose to orient the PSU with the fan facing down....
     

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