Old game new rig software 'bottleneck'?

Thank you for the read.

Old game: Papyrus Nascar 2003

New rig:

Phenom II x6 1055T@3.25
Asus M4A88TD-V EVO
MSI GTX 570 @ 786
9800 GT physx
8g Patriot Sector5
SSD HD
Corsair H-50
Nexus Tranq 850W Mod

Benched game. oc'd cpu and gpu moderately rolleyes zero gain in fps.

I'm wondering if old games have something like a mathematical limit. I understand that 100+ frame rates are nothing more than bragging rites and comforting headroom.

Question: is there a limit to what a game can produce regarding fps?

The game doesn't seem to gain fps with disabling features, & no loss when maxing them out. Game play is great -- but not up much from an Athlon 64 x2 4400+ with a FireGL x3 & 2g OZC (everything stock).

Crysis II gathers dust -- F@H (rocks 27,500 ppd 24/7) & Nascar 2003 are all the rig are for.

Thank you for your time.

 

A game will only run as fast as it can, most games will top 50fps but some are designed not to go any higher. Resident Evil 5 for example wont breach 50fps no matter what rig or settings you have.
Then again once you hit a clean 30fps at all times there's not a noticable difference over that.
They say the human eye can only see 30fps, this is not true though, it depends how good your eyesight is.

Having said that your CPU will be bottlenecked by your GPU in some instances, but on a 2003 game it's highly unlikely.

One other thing is sometimes a game can run at 60fps but still stutter/lag, this is sometimes simply down to poor coding or incompatability and actually has nothing to do with actual frame rate, just that the game doesn't run very well.

I have found there are some games prior to 2005 that wont run very cleanly on Windows 7 no matter what I've tried.

I do have to wonder though, why would you overclock an X6? , I'm not sure there's any on the market right now that would require you to OC it.

 

Thanks Nedlamar.

I oc, therefor I am...

Actually; I fold, and wanted to see a tangible result to overclocking. Get a feel for the power of .5GHz, so to speak. You screw with so many variables, multipliers, ratios, etc., I wanted to take gains beyond the realm of CPU-Z display & bragging rights. I increased my points proportional to the oc.

Also have many hardware-unsavy people spending way too much, on white-box systems to play the sim. Figured one poster should know what he's talking about on a certain forum. :-D

I too agree, for N'03 I can discern the difference between 35 fps, and 60 fps. My lap times reduce fairly significantly, supporting the perception there is a benefit to higher fps than the recommended 35 fps.

My early conclusion is; carefully chosen older & mid-range hardware will perform every bit as well as throwing excessive amounts of your/parent's cash at the sim. Resurrected an Athlon 3200+, a 4400+, and employing Phenom to support my theory. I'm benching different, gpu's and ram etc., to contest other poster's imperialistic statements regarding a need for .512mb video cards, BE processors, and at least 6GB's of ram.roflmao

The physics engine, in N'03, is still superior to the arcade type game play of any other PC offering. IMHO. With the possible exception of iRacing. (No clue -- haven't played it.) I want to see N'03 kept alive, and affordable to everyone.

Have a great weekend, and thank you for your helpful post!

's all good

 

You should be getting 18K PPD on a1055T @ 3.8 GHz though you must be near the max OC on that CPU and I guess the rest is GPU folding. I didn't read anywhere if you stopped the folding client(s) while you gamed which can certainly create a slowing effect.

I don't game but that's my best guess after 6 years of folding. I hope a folder/gamer comes in with better info. That's a great machine you got there!:drool

 

Thanks on rig compliment. I only had $750 to spend. Spent a lonnnggg time researching and bargain shopping. Works for me. Just a 3.25GHz oc now. Was running 3.4 for a bit. Might switch to 'dozer or SB and don't want to sell the Phenom rode hard and put away wet.

I thought my smp ppd was low. I ran the 10 WU's (to qualify for bonus) but I'm sitting at around 8K ppd envying the SB bigadv crowd. I'll have to explore that. Thanks for the headsup. I get 13K ppd on the GTX 570 with Afterburner forcing fans to 80%/59c 24/7. There's perks to being old and deaf. The 9800GT is soon to be replaced by cuda heavy Quadro or maybe just GTX 295 -- dunno yet.

I have no AV, or display running when I fold. The SSD drive's empty except for game, clients and the bare necessities GPU-Z, CPU-Z, Coretemps, Afterburner and Avast/Malabytes/CCleaner/Eusing/Hijack.

I don't game with F@H running. I go to the 4400+ rig for most racing, surfing and Photoslop. Adobe requests a run time error to terminate using PS CS on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit. They want me to upgrade to CS 5 and run XP mode. Another reason to keep XP & older rig up and running.

Nice forum you folks have here. Going to check out your F@H section now.

Thank you for your assistance.

's all good

PS: Cool rigs in your stable :drool back at ya!

 

:-D, and liking heat. I would have thought 5xx series would be quieter than the 4xx series as they produce less heat. I look forward to your thread in the f@h forum.

 

Wow, someone who doesn't just OC for bragging rights, more power to you then sir... in every sense of the word

Now you've started my head moving, I'm only running an old X2 but hopefully soon to be X6'ing when the nice people at the IRS send me my money back lol
But I've never pushed my X2 due to having a bad experience many years ago and not wanting to push it with no backup, but since I'm upgrading soon I might just tweak it a little and see if I can get Arma 2 running nice with a 5K draw distance so I can REALLY test my sni[ing skills at 2km+

Hmmm, food for thought and I'm hungry :-D

 

Rev. Canada sent me a check (cheque eh) I wasn't expecting. I'm trying to to decide between an EVGA GTX 460 for folding/main rig, or a Corsair 650W PSU and an AGP Radeon X 1950 Pro for my 'vintage' racer. Hmmm...

I don't use the PhysX 9800 GT, but a GTX 460 would increase my contribution to medical research :-o (nail down third place on our team).

Hmmm...

I think it would be fun to massage the AMD 4400+ and see what it max's out at -- with a Corsair H-60 keepin things cool.

Hmmm...

Dilemmas like this -- I could handle everyday!

 

I wonder...

Which one can I get the most btu's outta, a GTX 460 or a X 1950 Pro?

Only had the ac on for two days so far. Everyone is complaining about the weather. I'm just folding and :-D.

 

I had an X1950 pro 512mb, well it was my sons originally until he overheated it, once he done that I put it in my rig to replace my X800 (I think).
Good card, took a lot of punishment and while it will run idle at 85C and 98-105C while gaming amazingly it still works.

 

It's not worth the price for your X2 but it will keep your CPU really cool. I'd rather use a Hyper 212+ or similar(make sure it supports your socket) at 1/3 the price and nearly with the same cooling capability. It's keeping my highly OC'd 2600 @ 70C. I have an H50 cooling my 930 nicely @ 70C also, that's my mantra for Intel chips. OHMMMM 70C.

 

Great info Nedlamar & augiedoggie. Thanks eh.

Good call on the socket. Probably have to modify H-xx's to work.

Have a Titan Vanessa currently. Temps are good, but... Really want to take the 4400+ to the brink. Ok, I want to fry a cpu to see what it takes. :-D

The x2 runs my printers and Adobe CS with XP OS. Resto'd the poor thing, from the laundry room. Gave rigs away, but they came back to roost. Windows 7 64 bit caused me to bring them back into service.

Doing a 3200+/Soyo Dragon/OCZ/Raptor/FireGL x3 glamour resto for my wife on the other case. Just to do it. I wish I still had the Opty 146. That was a chip!

Check out the Power Man PSU. Indy who installed licensed XP said Fortron server PSU was defective so was pictured Zalman -- think he just didn't know what how to measure outputs correctly. Power Man :-o is another FRY IT experiment waiting to happen. I think the X 1950 should be sufficient.

 

Holy dust bunnies Batman!:-D Does that first one still work?:eek

 

Like a Champ. It's the one in the second attachment as well. Nephew dropped it off, complaining the pos I loaned/gave him quit working. Second rig came back in similar condition. Too lazy to take them to the dump -- thankfully.