Suppressing talent, Right or Wrong?

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Nedlamar, Oct 3, 2011.

  1. Nedlamar

    Nedlamar MajorGeek

  2. augiedoggie

    augiedoggie The Canadian Loon - LocoAugie (R.I.P. 2012)

    Stupid waste of time really. The do-gooders want 'everyone to be happy' and not expose children to undue real life situations. How else can they learn life's inevitable slapdowns and pick themselves off of the floor and grow some balls from that experience? Idiots! Football scores don't mean much 10 or 20 years later, character does.
     
  3. mjnc

    mjnc MajorGeek

    I think it's OK, 'cause Jimerson himself is OK with it and he understands.
    Next year there will be no limits. ;)

     
  4. augiedoggie

    augiedoggie The Canadian Loon - LocoAugie (R.I.P. 2012)

    I'm sure he's being scrutinized by scouts right now! Who knows if he's going to make it but the best to him. The mofos are taking valuable time away from him and I can't condone that. Sounds too much like 'No child left behind' garbage.:mad
     
  5. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    I would imagine that at 11 yrs old, the league he's in is still instructional. An integral part of sports should be sportsmanship...something that is extremely lacking in a lot of pro athletes now days. Part of a team sport is learning to play as a team.

    Teaching an 11 year old that it's a good thing not to go out and one handedly slaughter another team is a good thing in my view. If my kid dominated, I, as a parent would be uncomfortable watching him/her go out and rack up points on his own as a football player. That, to me, is thinking of one's self and not your whole team or the other team.

    The league is not telling them that they have to lose, they are saying win with dignity and not by humiliating another team.


    Btw, my kids both play sports. Up until you start playing for middle school or if you play for a competitive travel league, all sports are considered instructional. I have girls so no football here, but they play soccer, field hockey and lacrosse. Both set up ways to limit scoring (usually by forgoing the toss up and giving it to the team that just got scored on the ball or implementing a certain amount of passes required before going to goal) if the game becomes extremely one sided.
     
    Last edited: Oct 3, 2011
  6. mjnc

    mjnc MajorGeek

    What are you talkin' about? :confused
    I don't think this will hold him back at all.
    He's a natural and it's obvious that his current playing situation is not much of a challenge.
    He's very young and he has plenty of time to learn and grow, as I'm sure he will, if that's what he wants.

    You know, the hard knocks and ruffles can go either way.
    Someone can be too good for a situation and catch some adverse reactions from others because of that.
    Pretty crummy, but that's how people are sometimes.
     
  7. augiedoggie

    augiedoggie The Canadian Loon - LocoAugie (R.I.P. 2012)

    Yes, but that kind of success can lead to egotistical behaviour where the kid should actually be challenged even if he has to go up a year and play against stronger opponents. Gifted students (intellectually speaking) graduate from college at 14! Why is this any different?

    That's where good parenting skills come into the picture. A stable home will dampen the various highs and lows that the kid will experience.

    If you don't understand my drift then there's no point in elaborating on it.;)
     
  8. Nedlamar

    Nedlamar MajorGeek

    Wow, some great points on both sides.

    @mjnc.. I also took notice of the boy saying he's OK with it, very mature of him and shows great character.

    @Laura.. Your point of sportsmanship is a very strong one that I do agree with, it's the reason certain sports such as Golf, Tennis etc etc etc can be won without playing the entire match, no point, it would simply be a case of the winning participant getting a chance to make the losing feel worse.

    Having said that Augie made me think and I think made the point (unless I misread) that telling a kid he's "too good" could have an adverse affect. I remember when my father and I were coaching Football (the one where you actually use your feet most of the time ;) ) and one of the young lads had a great shooting talent.
    Problem was when he would get the ball he would go for the shot every time, doesn't matter how good you are, sometimes you just need to use your team.
    The kid got very big headed with it and then his father started giving him money for every goal he scored. The result was detrimental to the team.
    Total team play breakdown, it was 10 other lads and him, rather than a team of 11.
    The other lads would sometimes refuse to pass to him because they knew what he would do.
    It ended up with us benching him for a while to try and bring back the team. Which worked, he got very annoyed as did his father at first, but then we let hi play after a few weeks and things settled back down.
    The team started playing better all round.

    The reason I posted this was because I can clearly see very strong arguments for both sides.
    Bottom line though I think it's a bit harsh, it's not a bad thing to have a hero on the team, it depends if the hero is doing it for the team or for himself which determines whether this kind of action is necessary or not.
     
  9. motc7

    motc7 Vice Admiral (Starfleet)

    I think this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.

    there are winners and losers in life. Sometimes you lose big, which means someone just won big.

    And typically, the playing field doesn't get leveled.
     
  10. Rikky

    Rikky Wile E. Coyote - One of a kind

    Seems a little ridiculous to me they are stunting his development.

    When we were kids if anyone was too good for their age group which happened more than you may think they simply moved up an age group to keep them challenged,I don't see why they can't do this?

    One thing to point out is they are at the tipping point around pubity,some guys have their growth spurt early and some develop later,toward middle teens anything can happen with regard to kids athletic development. I was a little fat kid at about that age who hated sport,in 3 years I was captain of the basketball team and a member of the rugby team.

    Playing rugby at school at around that age sometimes it would seem like men alongside children at times.
     
  11. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    Why should anyone lose? Should not even keep score. At the end of the season, each team gets an average sized trophy. ;)

    That being said, if the kid's team is way up in points, the coach should pull him out, and let some of the other kids get some experience. Is one thing to win, and posses the attitude of a winner, it is sportsmanship that a good coach will use, and hopefully teach the players.
     
  12. mjnc

    mjnc MajorGeek

    Sorry, augie. That was not meant as a question. Just kind of a (colloquial) expression. :)
     
  13. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    Exactly.

    Sadly, I've seen some spectacles of parents and coaches. I'm thinking sportsmanship has gone down the tubes in this country as far as youth sports are concerned.

    The kid is 11. This is not college ball, a high school team or even a school team. They are not telling anyone that the team should lose or that he can't score.rolleyes

    Football is a team sport. Learning to play as a team is the most important thing in any instructional league because frankly as the competition gets more even, one kid isn't going to win games. Giving the ball to one kid and letting him score possession after possession is just bad coaching.
     

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