Apple Customer Service (rant)

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by LauraR, Jan 30, 2012.

  1. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    So everyone I know seems to rave about Apple's customer service.

    I am going through a process now that I can only call extremely frustrating, dissatisfying, and painful.

    First of all, you have to do all iTunes issues through email...even if you have about 6 iPods of different varieties, 3 iPhones, and a MacAir. They basically force you to use their service and then decide it's not worthy of offering phone support.

    A few weeks back, I got a $6.00 charge (yes this is all for freakin 6 bucks!) that my kids said they didn't do and it wasn't on their iTouches.

    I emailed iTunes and they were happy to remove the charge.

    What I didn't realize is that they were going to consider it a fraudulent purchase (because it couldn't possibly be a mistake on their end rolleyes) and disable my ID and not allow my credit card to be used...ever again!

    So, about a week or 2 later, I realized that my ID was disabled for updates and purchases. They were happy to leave it active to get on my account...go figure. Okay, so I did fix that, after an email and an hour long phone call. Again, this was just to reactivate my ID (after I had already changed my password).

    Well, yesterday, I went to purchase an app and I got a message saying my credit card could no longer be used to make purchases.

    I emailed (!!!) again and their response was "Laura, I'm sorry that we can't be of further assistance with your request to use your credit card to the iTunes Store again. Please note that once a credit card has been used in fraudulent activities, it will be disallowed from the iTunes Store. This is a safeguard designed to protect your account against unauthorized purchases from happening again."

    Ummmmm, really? That's your answer to giving people refunds for things??? Blame it on fraud and disallow the credit card (which btw, has NO fraudulent activity on it and if it did, I'd sure as hell call Amex and have them cancel the number)???

    Yeah, really good customer service, Apple!rolleyes

    I swear I think this is done so people don't dispute charges.



    k...I'm done.
     
  2. shnerdly

    shnerdly MajorGeek

    Unfortunately a lot of companies are getting that way.

    You would think they would be more interested in cultivating both new and old customers instead of aggravating them.

    The dust has just settled on a fiasco I had with CenturyLink at one of my business clients. The extremely short version is that we went to CenturyLink from a T1 and were so disappointed that we switched to Cable Internet after just 2 days with CenturyLink. Then they tried to bill us for the installation ($300+) despite the fact that they were unable to provide the speed they sold us.
     
  3. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member


    Yeah, I suppose. It's just disappointing considering I hear people spout the wonders of Apple care. rolleyes
     
  4. oma

    oma MajorGeek

    Wow! Apple just did bite off themselves another piece of the Apple. This time around it was the core! Shame on them.

    I had nothing but excellent service from Epson in the past even though the AIO was years past its warranty. So got another Epson this time.

    Logitech was excellent too. Mouse charger wouldn't charge the mouse anymore. Lost the bill. Still under warranty (5 Years) Had to mail in the mouse and got a free replacement. No warranty on the replacement though.

    Past December I purchased a business Dell Vostro PC with 3 years PRO support. ($$) Next Business Day service and software support with North American support. Heck, after a call to Dell and diagnosis, I needed the NBD the day after setup. A Tech came next day and installed a new motherboard. Way better than having to request a return ticket and return the tower myself. So far so good with their service.

    Years ago, Bell tried to sell me better internet speed, 3 months for the current price I had. Went for it but didn't get what they promised. Numerous calls, fault was always at my end. If I'd believed them I would have spent hundreds of $$. Finally ... I got the truth: *out of area*. I cancelled their service immediately. Don't trust them anymore regardless what they say or promise.
     
  5. Phantom

    Phantom Brigadier Britches

    Yep, the legitimate customers that are paying them fair and square often get penalized, often resulting in a PITA for their own customers.
    One reason why, even though I have an i-Pod, I don't use it, ( I actually won this thing, so it didn't cost me anything, but they sent me the pinkest, most girly, gayest looking one they could find,so it seems...Grrr!):mad
    Now, I just stick to the generic MP3, MP4 players).
    I hope that you get your C/C sorted, Laura. That could cause problems in other areas, too. As if ya don't have enough problems, eh.rolleyes
     
  6. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    The perfect example of how those companies who actually value their customers take care of them and it makes you really see some of the horrible service out there.

    I am not saying this is typical Apple service, but to date, this has been my only dealing with them. I'm not a huge fan to start with of their products that they tether you to other things such as iTunes, don't allow for battery changes (at least not for a fair cost) and therefore basically make you pay for the newest product, and I'm sure I could come up with other things as well. This has really pissed me off as it's so basic and simple and I shouldn't even have to be dealing with customer service.

    We mostly have the music players, but my last phone was an iPhone and my oldest just bought herself one as well. I would love there to be some class action suit against apple so that they would have to allow for competition with iTunes. I despise that you are required to use that site. I don't buy music from there. I get all that from Amazon. I'd love to get the apps from somewhere else. Then I'd just have to use it to organize stuff and screw them as far as getting any money from me through iTunes.
     
  7. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi Laura

    To be honest I have found their support to be like many others, HIT AND MISS, if you get the irk that just wants the job then in the main you dont get good service, but if you get the geeky person that loves tech then you get awesome service.

    I have had in the past Apple support and Genius Bar techs tell me reboot and re-install software, ok while the basics it was not answering the main issue as I had already done those options and mentioned so. However on a few occasions with the iPhone I gave my mum they have talked me through good steps over the phone and even booked her in to see a Genius Bar tech and the actual person they spoke to on the phone so support was contiguous.

    Hell the other week I had weirdass service from my bank, wanted to pay in a foreign cheque and one staff member said it would take 10wks to clear, then in another branch they said I had not signed my name correctly...how would they know as it was the same one as my paying in book signature, I believe it was they had not seen this type of cheque before so didn't want the hassle, in the end I insisted as I have paid these in in the past ok, and low and behold it was converted to GBP and cleared the same day! so it just takes in support or customer service that person who gives a damn.

    as for the CCard Laura, how can they blandly and casually state it was a fraudulent sale, mistakes do happen and the apps store the 1st year they run the 12 days of Christmas was charging folk for apps that where listed as free due to this offer!!!!

    I would be tempted to take it higher in Apple, dont know who you could email or chat to but the 1st and 2nd line support are useless in this as you'd need a much higher tier of agent or Apple Corp HO Complaints or Customer Relations. I say this as they are casting aspersions on your integrity and that is no different to Defamation of Character for instance (not a US lawyer but likely a few other laws that infringes).
     
  8. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    Yeah, honestly Dave, I'm tempted to just say forget it and put my husband's number in there...same account. It's just the principle for me. I told the lady that wasn't acceptable and asked for someone else to contact. I haven't heard back.
     
  9. BILLMCC66

    BILLMCC66 Bionic Belgian

    I feel your pain Laura, i have just had a positive outcome from an IT distributor here in Belgium.
    The company Mobistar has a closed concession for i phones from apple so if you want an apple product you have to buy it through them, they are the biggest mobile company in Europe so you would think that their service would be good roflmao
    They also do satellite TV and internet so i was offered a great deal for internet,TV and land line phone ( i am already with them for my mobile) so the whole package sounded great on price, I signed on the dotted line for a two year contract, now something you should know about Belgium is when you sign a document it is binding from the moment you sign with no cooling of period so we always read the small print first, all seemed good at first except we had no land line but they told us it would be OK in a couple of days so after a week i started to get a bit irate, i must have made 30 calls to the call center over the next 3 months but still no land line and the internet was so slow as to be useless.
    In desperation i got in contacted the Telecommunications Ombudsman who took up my complaint but told me to keep paying the TV and internet as if i stopped they would cut all services.
    After a lot of e-mails and phone calls i got the contract canceled with no cost to me and i have won a decoder and satellite dish so it ended OK except that i had to crawl back to my original ISP and plead stupidity to get everything back to where it was.
    Mobistar has the distinction of be officially the worst customer service in Europe.
    It just goes to show that "if it looks too good to be true it usually is"

    This is a bit long and it is more than a year old but things are no better.

    http://euforus.blogspot.com/2009/08...html#!/2009/08/mobistar-customer-service.html
     
  10. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    TBH Laura is that what the vast majority of companies want us to do these days, they make support lines into press one through ten for options, then press one to five for more options then press heaven or hell for an answer.

    I have for long been under the impression many companies make it this hard so we do just that, drop it and go the long way around ourselves rather than the company we pay good monies to doing a bit of GOOD customer service.

    Worst bit is Apple do not list easily the corporate directors contact and corp contact details online, kinda now wonder why! a chap called Eddy Cue would be the one to email or maybe write too, as in their Cupertino HO.

    If it where Microsoft I could find you the right person to chat too on this but sadly its not and TBH with now using the Zune software and WP7, its far better that the fruit varieties.
     
  11. oma

    oma MajorGeek

    As was previously mentioned, escalate it, take it higher up. Did Apple insist to write off the $6 as fraudulent charges or did you have any say in it? Never mind, it should have been a goodwill Customer Service write-off instead. This was done on a routine basis in the credit card department where I used to work many years ago. What decent Co. wants to lose customers over such a piddly small amount? ESCALATE and insist on re-instatement of you account. PS: hope you have the name of CSR who did this.
     
  12. Rikky

    Rikky Wile E. Coyote - One of a kind

    Dunno if this will help but a trick I use is to phone the cancellation line,in the UK customer services is directed abroad to call centre but if you call the cancellation line "eg.Hit 3 or something to cancel and apple service" you get through to someone in the UK who actually has power to make things happen just don't ask them to put you through to customer service stay talking to the cancellation rep,often they will bend over backwards to keep you paying.

    Maybe worth a try,good luck anyway:) And I fell your pain:(
     
  13. TalkToQwest

    TalkToQwest Private E-2

    Shnerdly - Sorry to hear about your brief experience with Centurylink. It sounds as if it was fully resolved, but if it has not, Please contact us by email: TalkToUs@Centurylink.com so we can further assist you.

    Thanks!
    Rich
    Centurylink Help Team
     
  14. satrow

    satrow Major Geek Extraordinaire

  15. oma

    oma MajorGeek

    I complete forgot to add something very important. Real fraudulent purchases are not committed in the amount of $6.00!! They run in the hundreds or thousands of dollars purchased in a very, very short time if more than one purchase.

    As a side note: Credit card companies have the technology to catch/alert unusual purchases rapidly and will cancel the account immediately upon verification and notify you also that they have cancelled the account and will set up a new one. At least that's how it happened many years ago.

    @Laura, can you give us an update to the current status please?
     
  16. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    Hey all, thanks for all your input/support.:)

    I gave in to the fact that it's just not worth the trouble. I could call the number they gave me before, go through all the crap of saying it's an issue with my iPhone, since they won't do phone support for iTunes, but the last time it was to just get my ID back in service and that alone took an hour on the phone.

    Oma, you are right in that fraud is not for $6.00. This is deterrence pure and simple on Apple's part so that people don't dispute charges they have put through. It's a bunch of BS, but right now I'm just not in the mood to deal. :(

    Ironically, I just got my husband's number to put in there right before I opened this thread back up. Same account, so it's fine as far as that goes.

    As a company though, Apple gets a huge grade F in my book for customer service.

    @satrow...interesting link. It reminds me of the Church of Scientology tactics of intimidation I've read about.
     
  17. Phantom

    Phantom Brigadier Britches

    I feel your pain, Laura. In my line of business, (I.T./Industrial Consultant), the only thing that 'lights my fuse' more than Clients with a bad attitude is Companies that are very efficient at grabbing money, but don't want to know about it when it comes to corporate/company responsibility, which is nothing more than providing the goods/services that have already been paid for. Then think that they are so big they should be "untouchable".:mad
    No wonder a lot of people just convert the i-tunes to standard MP3/4 and use a different product entirely. rolleyes
    It's like me selling equipment that goes on the Fritz, then either not wanting to know about it, or threatening to sue. I wouldn't be in business for very long.
    Yeah, most people just give up - then it's the usual win/win situation for Cos. like Apple. Like you said, only something like a class-action suit or similar would be likely to have any tangible results, and show them that legal bullying doesn't always work. We live in hope, I guess.rolleyes
    I'm NOT an Apple or Jobs hater, I just don't like to see corporate greed at the expense of personal rights, as I've said in other threads.
    ...</rant off>
     
  18. oma

    oma MajorGeek

    Sounds to me as if Apple decided (perhaps) to put into place a policy not to offer goodwill customer service write-offs. Some companies are perhaps more lenient than others. Some used to allow max of 3 cust. write-offs per customer, other more or less, or left it up to the CSR, depending on the circumstances. Those were other times though. Just awful reading that Apple made more profits than any other co. recently. That must leave anyone, who dealt with them and had a bad experience with Apple, a bad taste in their mouth. Makes one hesitant to purchase any future products from those companies, small or large?

    What can I say Laura? You made the decision to leave it alone and I respect that. Just hope that you get it out of the way and therefore need to have peace with your decision.
     
  19. COMPUABLE

    COMPUABLE First Sergeant

    Re: Apple Support -- Best Numbers and Hours to Call

    Hi Abby,

    Sorry to hear that you had such problems with Apple. Sheesh what a hassle! I never contact Apple Customer Service via e-mail. Their customer service technical support via telephone is actually much better with any questions and/or complaints anyone might have with their products; (than it is via e-mail). The people who answer the phone inquiries are far more proficient in answering questions directly; than those who answer Apple support e-mail (at least IMO). I actually haven't called in a while; but these are the numbers that I have successfully used whenever contacting Apple for tech support:

    iPhone Technical Support Phone Number: 800-694-7466
    (How to reach a live person: Press 0 at first recording and then Press "#" when the recording asks for your iPhone number).

    Important Note: Hours of Operation are: 7am-12am (EST)

    =======================================

    iPod and Mac Technical Support - Phone Number: 800-275-2273
    (How to reach a live person: Press 0 until transferred to a person).

    Important Note: Hours of Operation are 9am-9pm (EST)

    =======================================

    Side Note: You can call Apple tech support after the hours posted there; however it is only an 'auto-bot' answering any inquiries. There is no one available to talk to 'live' after-hours; at least not when I called them. ;)

    Good Luck! -- COMP
    .
     

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