I think my new hdd is too slow for my multitasking what do you all think MJgeeks

I just bought this hdd about a week ago
Western Digital Caviar Blue 3.5in 1TB SATA 6Gb/s Internal Hard Drive WD10EALX, 7200RPM, 32MB Cache. OEM

Now i been noticing that some times when multitasking like video editing/formatting with virtual box and
just big multitasking in general like having 15 programs open at the same time and watching videos my computer
freezes when trying to start are open more programs/folders and when this happens this are my statistics
usually my cpu is around 70
And memory is usually round 6 gb
I check my temp with Speccy and its all normal
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I think that is my HDD tha is not able to read and write fast enough and thats why my Comp freezez when
multitasking Because everything else seems fine im thinking about upgrading to this
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 3.5in 1TB SATA 6.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive, 7200RPM, 64MB Cache. OEM
The only diference is the "64mb" cache *** far as i know.
But im here to get some help from you all what do you all think

Operating System
MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
CPU
Intel Core i3 550 @ 3.20GHz 25 °C
Clarkdale 32nm Technology
RAM
16.0 GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 665MHz (9-9-9-24)
Motherboard
MSI 2A9C (CPU 1) 35 °C
Graphics
Acer P201W (1680x1050@60Hz)
Intel(R) HD Graphics
Hard Drives
977GB Western Digital WDC WD10EALX-009BA0 (RAID) 33 °C
Optical Drives
hp DVD A DH16ABLH
Audio
Realtek High Definition Audio

 

I'd say you really need to be thinking about upgrading to multiple hard drives and a good add-in graphics card - you may also need to upgrade to a better, quality PSU if you go this route.

In Taskman, in the view you show, go to View and check 'Show kernel times'. This will enable you to differentiate the running software from the Windows kernel (the latter is probably driving your Intel gfx chip as well, most of the time).

In an efficient Windows 7 computer, kernel CPU % will be minimal (0-4%) for the majority of the time, if you see kernel times over about 10% for any length of time after the post-boot checks are complete (usually in the first 5-10 minutes), something needs checking.

 

I recentlly up graded my ram to 16 GB previously i only had 6GB im only running a 250W PSU but i got a 600W PSU coming
Cooler Master RS600-AMBAD3-US Silent Pro M 600W Power Supply - ATX, Modular, 600 Watt, 80+ Bronze Certified, SLI Ready, 135mm Ultra Silent Fan

i just check show kernell so im going to keep and eye on tha you said tha the cpu should stay under 4% is tha corret is this even when multitasking

And what do you mean by multiple HDD's

 

Someone correct me if I'm leading the OP the wrong direction.
Satrow means have more than 1 HDD inside for storage. My thought is with one HDD everything gets pulled from it and has to be processed from it. If you had another HDD and had your OS on one and the rest of your data on another then your processor would only have to pull from a data HDD not have to sort through everything to get to what it wants.
Spock96

As I said previously "Please correct me if I'm mistaken."

 

So if the Windows kernel isn't working hard currently, check the other resources > Resource Monitor button on the same tab of Taskman (this will increase the workload on the PC slightly so ignore anything called 'perfmon' and taskmgr in the Resource Monitor stats. The graphs will show a rough idea of the parts that are working hardest; individual tabs etc. will allow you to drill deeper and find processes etc. that are using high resources (of whichever type).

For futher info on building/updating a system so that it performs well at video editing, I suggest you read up a little. Try the Minimum Recommended System for Video Editing here, scroll down to the table - well wrth reading the whole thing though. There's much more detail about setting up with 2 or 3 drives and system 'tweaking' specifically for video editing elsewhere on that site.


Yes Spock, multiple drives is more than one ; 1 for System (Windows), 1 for Scratch/storage, 1 for paging file/programs/working data - there are many permutations of this, including Raid, SSD + HDD ... they all need studying to work out which fits your pocket and the work expected from the machine.

If everything happens on a single drive, it can lead to a pretty high workload just for the 'background' stuff like NTFS logging to keep tracks on which file is where, etc. Once you can begin to split that workload over 2 or more drives then the machine can become much more efficient doing the tasks you ask it to do.

 

Someone correct me if I'm leading the OP the wrong direction.
Satrow means have more than 1 HDD inside for storage. My thought is with one HDD everything gets pulled from it and has to be processed from it. If you had another HDD and had your OS on one and the rest of your data on another then your processor would only have to pull from a data HDD not have to sort through everything to get to what it wants.
Spock96

Tha sounds good so what your saying is just install the OS in "one drive" an my programs and files on the other one

 

Thanks Satro
"Is having over 100 prcesses running a bad thing"?
I dont see it *** a bad thing as longs *** the computer haves the horse power to handle it
CPU,RAM,/ETC.Because when im doing "multitasking tha does not involved video editing/video converting are encoding videos are on virtual machine formating using the hdd my computer runs fine and my processes go up to 120 ill have like 20 programs/files open and i dont experience no freezing"??
I just thought ill ask for the pro's opinion

 

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(looks like my original reply got lost)

I'm just an amateur so I'll try to precis from a real pro, Mark Russinovich.

The better the developer has coded the program, the more processes you can run concurrently in Windows.

It's way more complex than that, I just ripped down his closing paragraph from the Processes and threads part of his Pushing the Limits of Windows series.

 

It wouldn't hurt to download and run Advanced System Care Free from the MG Downloads section.

Of particular interest is the "Startup Manager" in the Toolbox section of ASC. If you have a ton of unneeded bloatware running at startup (printer-related programs, OEM toolbars, etc.), these can slow a PC down - especially an older system with a limited amount of memory.

Although this tip is directed mainly at users with older PCs, I've discovered a bit of an improvement doing this even on i5 OEM (HP, Dell, etc.) systems that ship loaded down with bloatware.

 

Looking at the kernel CPU levels in the early part of the trace in the latest Taskman screenshot, I see 2 processors hitting way over 50% with the other 2 reaching peaks of 20-40+%. All kernel processes are run at a higher priority than normal User processes, the levels shown here will come very close to hanging your User processes!

Did you check Resource Monitor to see what's hitting the stops? I'm betting on disk I/O and graphics being the bottlenecks.

To check how hard the GPU works, try using GPU-Z and Taskman while you do something simple, like dragging around a Spider Solitaire window.

If the GPU load in GPU-Z sensors tab spikes little but you see kernel CPU% spiking higher, it shows that the GPU cannot deal with the load and Windows kernel has to take over the graphics rendering. With a good graphics card, all the rendering would be done on the card, leaving the kernel untouched and freeing your User processes.


In a similar vein to gman's comment, I consider most of the pre-installed HP utilities to be Bloatware - I wouldn't allow any to auto-start and I'd probably uninstall most of them if it were my PC.

 

Hello gman863
I went into msconfig and i had every program set to start at start up so what i did was disable
all of them and this is what i got when i restarted my pc
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Satrow
Heres some pics of taskman and gpu z side by side when running 2 games apps
and some other apps open too and "im moving around windows to get it to work harder"
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I have 59 processes on boot thats with everything disable on startup on msconfig
is this normal im begining to think i might have a worm/virus

 

You have Norton + Windows 7 and Intel gfx chip, those together probably add up to something over 50 processes at their defaults.

To give an extreme example: my W7 Home x64 at 6 minutes, like your last example, would show between 23-25 Windows processes + 7 User processes and using about 800MB (out of 6GB) RAM. I don't expect most people to be able to reduce to those sorts of levels but it should be possible to reduce your boot load to around 40 processes and using 1GB RAM.

MA posted about How to Disable Unneeded Services in Windows earlier today, it's worth studying the website he refers you to.

To reduce the disk I/O load on your System drive, try dedicating an 8GB USB thumbdrive (or 2) to ReadyBoost. After a few normal Windows working sessions with reboots/shutdowns in between, ReadyBoost will be using the USB drives to load some of the saved data from the ReadyBoost cache instead of from the paging file on the System drive. This probably won't make a massive difference but going by what I can tell of your system and usage, it should help the hard drive.

It does look like Windows kernel/Desktop Window Manager/Aero are sucking up a lot of CPU and that the Intel gfx chip is almost dormant load % wise.

 

Advanced systecared 5 is fantastic theres alot of things tha it does for a user
i was using "ccleaner" in the past but this program is fantastic i ruelly like the
"security defence" on Deep Care

In a week are two i will be getting a Graphics card and i will be posting back my results
but i belive tha will solve my freezing issues when multitasking and high processes usage
but i also belive tha high processes usage is due to big multitassking

 

Quick update i reinstalled my OS on my HP computer but with out the HP recovery partition/discs
Just clean "windows seven OS"Bootable usb and i notice a big diference on my processes check this out
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Which before when i had this many apps runing my processes would be up 115 allready
Im stills going to get the Graphics card in two weeks

 

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It reads like you're starting to take more control over the machine now, good start!

Try to keep 3rd party 'tweaking/optimizing' programs to a minimum, or use none at all; it's better for you to learn how to change settings yourself, easier to revert them and less to confilict. Leaner is better

 

I got my PSU unit today and i also added another 1.5TB hdd and another dvd drive
and it seems tha my CPU is working alil bit hardder now is tha normal?

And my CPU temp is getting up too 53c checking it with "piriform speccy"
Whats the highest the temp should be going up for the type of cpu tha i have.
Intel Core i3 550 @ 3.20GHz
Clarkdale 32nm Technology

 

What was the Speccy readout prior to fitting the new parts?

If I'm reading the Intel Ark page correctly:

means it'll implode and melt through to the Earth's core at something above 72.6 degrees Centigrade .

Does the CPU fan run louder, did you clean the dead termites and dust bunnies out of the CPU cooler and case while it was open? Is there any buildup of dust between the front panel and the main case or a filter there to be cleaned?

Adding an extra drive and a better PSU shouldn't make the CPU work harder. You do need to keep a watch on internal temperatures though, perhaps think about fitting a rear exhaust fan.

 

Satrow i was just over at intels page and i didin't even see the temp Thanks
its just a "lil bit diference with the cpu beign higher"
MY machine is clean no dust no bunnies in there.
The cpu fan are any other fan loudness is about the same.
I did notice tha the hdds were getting some what hot.so i might look into adding a fan
Im using "mid tower case" my new PSU actually didn't fitt in the back brackett you
know tha bracket in tha back of the PSU the one you "prees down to get it out"mine was alil
longer than my old one so is over the bracke but everything else fit fine.

 

Ok, don't forget to pop off the front panel to check the vents and any filters are clean. You certainly need to increase the cooling flow before you fit a graphics card in there, also see if you can space out the hard drives more; if you're a bit of a handyman, you may be able to mount one on the floor of the case.