Opinions on Win7.

Discussion in 'Software' started by hrlow2, May 12, 2012.

  1. hrlow2

    hrlow2 MajorGeek

    A thinking of an upgrade to my OS and I don't really care for Vista.
    Would like to see what actual Win7 users think about it as compared to Vista or XP.:confused (yes, I still have XP on one machine.):-D
     
  2. lbmest

    lbmest MajorGeek

    I like it but there is a learning curve about locations of items and functions as compared to XP. It can be harder to network with the home group option which I believe can throw some kinks in the system unintentionally. I would rather see the home group default to inactive rather than active.

    For example, I just added a new comp at work after installing the OS at home so home group was active and my first network connection was a home network location. After taking the comp in to work, my second network location was work and I needed to change the network ID to a domain and I had the hardest time getting the machine to see the correct network. I eventually had to manually change some IP addresses in the network properties to get connected up. I still have a problem with one database program's security settings even though my user is listed as a domain administrator which should give me full rights on everything in the domain but this one network mapped drive is still refusing to let me have read/write access for some reason.

    Other than that, Win7 is very stable compared to XP and Vista (which I used for a very short time at home).
    Drivers can be a pain to find for older equipment since manufacturers don't release compatible drivers for the OS. At home I have had very few problems with the OS but at work it can be a challenge sometimes.
    Updating is easier from the standpoint of the process as opposed to the number of updates.
    Recovery from driver faults is easier as the OS can recover itself in most cases. If you hit a BSOD, there is a serious problem which you will have to track down as opposed to a niggly interaction between two apps or drivers.
    From a stand point of geekiness, it is harder to control some things that are automatically controlled by the OS and you really have to dig deep to get to a place you can choose the options. (Bullet proofing for the majority of users can be a pain.)

    Those are my major thoughts. I'm sure others have a lot to say also.
     
  3. hrlow2

    hrlow2 MajorGeek

    gloozit.
    Ancient or not, XP is still being supported until April, 2014.
    And it can be used even after support drops.
    Not enough reason for me.
     
  4. Earthling

    Earthling Interplanetary Geek

    After using Win 7 intensively for about two years I think it takes Windows for PCs to its peak. It has been virtually indestructible and is a constant pleasure to use. But I wouldn't recommend sticking it on outdated hardware, if that is in your mind, as you may well run into problems finding satisfactory drivers, and not all of your software may run well on it either.

    When buying a new machine and peripherals imo it's unbeatable, but if your XP setup is still performing well I would leave it until you want to upgrade the hardware too.
     
  5. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    I run windows 2K, XP and Win 7.
    There is a learning curve with 7 so I encourage you to have working computers that you can switch to when you get frustrated with trying to figure out windows 7. I generally do this with each new version of windows. (I skipped Vista and NT 4 but have run all starting with 3.11 Windows for Workgroups and now 7).
     
  6. usafveteran

    usafveteran MajorGeek

    Regarding comments on older hardware, I'm running Windows 7 on an HP Compaq d530 CMT tower system. Release Date: 2005-07-14. This computer was given to me with no hard drive. I installed a hard drive and tried Win 7 RC, the pre-release version that was free to download and try out. I was hooked on Windows 7 and eventually acquired Windows 7 and installed on this computer. The computer is a Pentium 4, 2.66GHz processor, and had 2GB of RAM when I received it; I later increased RAM to 4GB (3.5 GB usable due to 32-bit system). I have an AGP video card (nVidia GeForce 6200, 256MB of memory) in it.
     
  7. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi Hrlow2

    Well I will first off say that all the OSes you have mentioned are ok, they have all had there time and brought computing to the masses and made it easier, while Vista was not what I know Microsoft wanted it did bring some new aspects to Windows OS and launched Windows 7 into what it is today.

    Windows 7 I think is a great OS and a worthy sucesssor to XP as Windows 7 adds a hell of a lot of stability to the OS I have found and the udpated core kernel and componts have helped in the speed and robustness of this version.

    Windows XP is a great OS and my work still uses this, well like many Gov depts we have a hell of a lot of legacy apps, although I dont need any of them, I just need Internet (for remote server access) and Office 2010 (Office 2010 I have). XP works but it is showing its age abit now, and I have more random issues on my work PC than I have ever had with my Windows 7 home PC.

    Totally agree with the above as XP can just die on an app crash, but in the main with Win7 you will get the OS back to allow you to carry on, Win7 does a great job of memory management and unloading unused dlls where as XP can be a memory hog and not refresh the ram, hence a market in ram claning apps.

    For those that think that Win7 uses alot of ram, well in reality it does not it allocates it ready to use so when you see a ram figure from your 6gb of ram stating you only have 1gb left free, in reality you have more free to use when needed as the syetem will re-allocate it. Plus the addage is unused ram is wasted ram is indeed apt, as what would the point be of having 6gb of ram and not using it?!

    if you wish to read on ram and Windows just hunt out some articles from Mark Russinovich and it will tell you a hell of a lot of info on how windows works.

    Windows 8 well thats going to be a wonderful experience to see what the masses or more so business thinks of the Metro UI, personally I find it ok and have been using my netbook with it for some months and getting used to the Metro UI fairly well. I do think that MSFT will issue a standard Start menu for businesses as they will never take on Win8 with Metro.

    I do have to comment on my 1.6ghz Atom Netbook with 2GB ram, ran ok in Windows 7 but a little slow booting (2mins or so to a usable state) and slowish loading of some apps, but Windows 8 on same PC boots to usabe in around 20secs and runs really quickly, so I cannot wait to use it on a decient PC like my destop with quad core and 6gb ram.


    Personally I've liked all the Windows flavours (still run in Virtualization Windows XP, Vista and 7 for testing and being able to run some troubleshooting things for users on the forum) and had no issues with any, ok well WinME was a runt at times. if you have the hardware compatability to run Windows 7 Hrlow then I would try the OS out as I bet you will like it.
     
  8. hrlow2

    hrlow2 MajorGeek

    Is there possibly a link floating around that I could take my XP machine to to see if it is compatible with 7 and could run it?
     
  9. usafveteran

    usafveteran MajorGeek

  10. collinsl

    collinsl MajorGeek

    In my personal opinion windows 7 is a lot easier to use than XP. For one thing, Start Search was a godsend in Vista & has only got better. As so many others have said, crashing is practically gone, stability is through the roof, and, frankly, I think windows 8 will kill Microsoft. 2 bad products in 10 years won't exactly help them & windows 8 will turn out to be very divisive in my opinion.
     
  11. pwillener

    pwillener MajorGeek

    Windows 7 is working very well, and very fast (if on the right hardware).

    The only problem I have with W7 is the "Search" facility; it simply never finds anything...
     
  12. Goldenskull

    Goldenskull I can't follow the rules

    I have to disagree Xp is Extremely Easy compare to Vista

    Windows 7 is kinda similar to Xp and its features in many ways.

    Windows 7 still has its corky bugs just like Xp does

    Vista was like windows millenium Both horrible

    I can easily run threw windows 7 be cause its so close to the style of Xp users.

    And windows 8 don't even get me started on that junk.
     
  13. Goldenskull

    Goldenskull I can't follow the rules

    Its the same as 7 dud go threw my computer lol 3 clicks

    Xp is easier then you think.
     
  14. Goldenskull

    Goldenskull I can't follow the rules

  15. usafveteran

    usafveteran MajorGeek

    3-clicks method (using Small icons or Large icons view in Control Panel): Click Start, Click Control Panel, Click Device Manager.

    4-clicks method (option 1): Click Start, right-click Computer, click Properties, click
    Device Manager.

    4-clicks method (option 2): Click Start, right-click Computer, click Manage, click Device Manager.

    4-clicks method (option 3): Click Start, left-click Computer, click the button for "System properties" (below menu bar), click Device Manager.
     
  16. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    I am slowly warming to Windows 7 after being forced to use it on 2 of the computers at work. I don't like how they renamed things. While exploring an os can be fun, it is not when you are trying to get the network back up, and you have one or two that are on an unfamiliar os (Win7).

    I do like the new OS as far as boot speed and stability, and the good support for 64 bit stuff. I will most likely upgrade my computer to W7 soon, and add some more RAM.

    XP, especially for it's age, is a very good OS. For 99% of the computers at work, it is very acceptable. XP is getting a bit long in the tooth. :-D
     
  17. thisisu

    thisisu Malware Consultant

    I don't have any problems with Windows 7. Although the main reason I upgraded was because I needed an OS that supported over 3.25GB of memory.

    Side note: You can get Windows 7 to look a lot like Windows XP just by turning off all the visual effects (go for High Performance instead). That's what I do :p
     
  18. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    Will try that Tuesday Thisis. Boss is not fond of W7 either.
     
  19. Goldenskull

    Goldenskull I can't follow the rules


    Unless you where running windows 32bit versions witch only allow you to run 3.25gigs of ram 64bit is the one only allowed to run all of your memory.
     
    Last edited: May 14, 2012
  20. pcunite

    pcunite Private E-2

    This is so true! I'm using FileSearchEX because of this.
     
  21. Goldenskull

    Goldenskull I can't follow the rules

    Yes i still like Xp be cause of the ease of the way around it.I know my way around every program.

    The Xp 64bit and 32bit are still being Supported So way get rid of it.

    And yes it can still be used even after the support drops.

    No Xp in not Ancient Windows 3.1 is Ancient and so is windows 1.0 lol

    Xp was made in August 24, 2001; 10 years ago

    And i still see many many companies still use Windows Xp.

    The place i work at still does.And even after the Support is up i think you are still able to download the windows updates.
     
  22. Colemanguy

    Colemanguy MajorGeek

    Theres computers at my dads place of employment still running 95 that work great for there job. But would i want to use that at home for a desktop i plan on using? Nah ill stick to something new and supported.
     
  23. hrlow2

    hrlow2 MajorGeek

    Different question on the same OS.
    If I get a 32/64 bit copy, can I install on 2 machines of the right bit size, or do I have to decide on which to use and forget about the other?
     
  24. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek


    Click on Start, then Control Panel. Just 2 clicks. Or did you mean Device Manager? :-D
     
  25. Earthling

    Earthling Interplanetary Geek

    You get one licence key and have to decide which version to install.
     
  26. hrlow2

    hrlow2 MajorGeek

    As the kids say, "That bites."
     
  27. Earthling

    Earthling Interplanetary Geek

    I don't want to hijack your thread but this might be of interest to you as well as to me. Does the 64 bit version have any features that the 32 bit version does not have other than the ability to run 64 bit software and use more than 4GB of memory?
     
  28. Earthling

    Earthling Interplanetary Geek

    Sure, but I said
    and 32 bit can use two processors too btw ;)
     
  29. Earthling

    Earthling Interplanetary Geek

    Parallel processing requires two cpus or two or more cores in a single cpu. That's it!
     
  30. Earthling

    Earthling Interplanetary Geek

    Copying and pasting Wikipedia, wow rolleyes

    These were your actual words
    which quite simply is incorrect
     
  31. baklogic

    baklogic The Tinkerer

    Sorry to interupt, but getting back to Harlow2 question
    I install W7 on different laptops, and pc;s and I always ask what the owner wants to use it for.-If XP does everything you need, and it is still supported, then why change it.
    If they then say they want to try it, I put thr minimum programs they need, use the pin to start bar function to get to office, or yahoo, or, google that they use, and even the old laptops love it (Home Premium works well on a laptop that had XP, or, Vista.
    None of those have asked to go back to XP, OR, Vista.
    Keep it simple- easyto use.
    As a bit of a geek, like many on here, I am always messing with mine, but with 8 partitions on a 1 and half tb hard drive- thts my way of playing.
    I have often used the second partition on those older laptops, as its often set as a data drive, and the average user never even sees it, as they want a writing program, like works, or office, and web access. It flies even on those. Leaving their old XP, OR, Vista on the C partition) but I found once they got used to it, they just boot into Windows 7-
    I only check back into my XP partitions when asked for something that Ihad to brush up on- and I am 70, so I find XP a bit boring, now.
    Windows 8, when using tips from Geoff Shulz (from Techrepublic) can be altered slightly to give similar startup yjat we are used to- I find its in early stages, but it just needs doctoring until finalised- majorgeeks jump on it !
    Its all about personal choice.:-D
     
  32. baklogic

    baklogic The Tinkerer

    I forgot one main point- a single gb of ram will run on Windows 7 32 bit /2gb on 64 bit- on that mimnimum needs setup- then its up to the user if he wants faster etc:
    Seemed as quick as XP , too
    The other nits I put on -acrobat reader, and Clamwin antivirus- keeping W7 malware tool active.
     
  33. hrlow2

    hrlow2 MajorGeek

    When I started this, I was looking for personal opinions on the OS to help me decide on upgrading or not.
    Was NOT looking for a fight or a debate on the merits, so can we get back on topic?
     
  34. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    Well Hrlow, I am starting to like it better the more I use it. The frustrating thing to me is how things are changed around enough that I have to search for things. I think I will get it for my computer at home. If I use if for a few days, I am sure I will get used to it.

    If you get it, just expect some time to learn it, as others have stated. 8G of RAM sounds like fun. :-D
     
  35. hrlow2

    hrlow2 MajorGeek

    Fred:
    I have 4 in each of my machines and always seem to have 1 1/2 not being used.
    8 would be a waste to me.
     
  36. cabbiinc

    cabbiinc Staff Sergeant

    If your computers are better than the min. specs then I'd recommend Win7 over XP. But if you've never maxed out 4gb of RAM there may not be a need to upgrade.
     
  37. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    But with DDR2 being cheap last time I looked, and the awesomeness of overkill, why not? :-D

    Four of these would be fun. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231121
     
  38. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    Looks at the forum name, 'Major Geeks'. Yes, all of our computer buying choices are driven only by need and necessity. None of us spend money on hardware we don't 'need'. ;):-D
     

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