What a Piece of Crap! *Rant*

I have tried to reserve my thoughts on Windows 8. I figured, it will grow on me...right?

Those who remember me, or the one or two who call me a friend (those are really rare), know that I try to keep an open mind for Operating Systems. I started with the 3dfiles crowd on Windows 98, moving to Windows 2000, XP, Vista, and settling on 7. I went through my OS X years (I still like it, but the company needs to DIAF). I am a heavy Linux user as well. I am fluent in Google-fu, Linux-itsu, and have been referred to as 'The Windows Whisperer'.

All OSes have their strong points, and weak points. However when it comes to Windows 8, I have yet to find a strong point other than...Metro apps have a pretty flip animation?

Nothing is logical. No user needs or wants two app interfaces. I already don't care for start menus. WHY do I need or want a fullscreen one? What sense does it make to have your main interface, the desktop, act as an app? IS there anything intuitive about *knowing* that you must drop your mouse pointer to the lower left for a start men...erm, page? Why would I think it makes sense to move my mouse to the far right for settings and personalization? I love that Microsoft decided that I DON'T need *ANY* easy method to device manager. Hey, is that a music player in your pocket, or a music app store interface? Do I really need a lockscreen type screen to cover my login prompt? What makes Microsoft think that it is intuitive to move my mouse to the top left and then down to get a recent apps list?

I could go on and on, but there really is nothing intuitive about Windows 8. There are redundancies at every corner, and it forces Microsoft...everything down your throat. I would wait till final release to justify my thoughts, but the reality of it is, it won't change much from what it already is.

I thought OS X was getting bad with bringing in phone UI elements into Mountain Lion, but this is ridiculous. It enhances nothing. I have NEVER used an OS that makes me so mad when trying to just do simple navigation, that I want to put my first through my monitor.

I swear to god, I will use Windows ME before I go back to that nonsense.

Finally ( some language) let me sum it up for the people who want the tl;dr version:

https://twitter.com/adrynalyne/status/208384002514616320

 

That there is funny

Yea, got no inclination to download/run that version

Windows 7 IMO is the best ever from them

Ran Linux 3-4 times & wasn't happy, I really want to test a newer version though.

 

Heh-heh, I quite enjoyed your post! I'm also a heavy Linux user. What distro do you run? Yeah, I will pass on Win 8. I'm still running Vista Enterprise at work.....***sigh*** At home I run Slackware all the way.

 

Ubuntu, Fedora, Arch, Chakra...depends on the day

 

I hear you, man. Arch is very nice indeed. I also like the BSDs; I have OpenBSD and FreeBSD VMs on my main box. If Slackware went away I would go with Debian and or OpenBSD.

 

Dear God! I think he's SERIOUS!! :eek 'Nuff said - I'm not gonna upgrade to 8 in light of this!

Actually, I hadn't planned too for a while anyway. I like 7 very well - seems they took the best of XP and Vista and out popped 7. I usually wait till they stop supporting an OS before I upgrade, as long as it's still doing what I need it to do. Anyway, thanks for the post. I'd not heard anthing from anyone who had been testing it.

I've been playing with Ubuntu . . . I like it. Got it running on an old PC I had sitting around. Different world.

 

Actually, it sounds like they split XP and Vista into good and bad, stuffed the good into 7 and all the bad into 8.

I think I'll stick with 7.

And I liked ME.

 

No body needs App interface but the Phones!!!!

I really don't think we need a app interface its a dumb idea for a windows8 and i can tell you this the only people that are going to sell it too are the phone makers basically.But there will be a few people out that like it and might buy it.But in the end i still think that App option on windows 8 will cause more problems then it solves.

In my opinion i think who ever the team was that was working on this idea must of been smoking some good Weed at the time.:-D

Originally Posted by Adrynalyne http://forums.majorgeeks.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif
. . . I swear to god, I will use Windows ME before I go back to that nonsense . . .

lol i would rather use windows 3.1 lol be for that crap!!!!!!

 

Win 8? let me stick with my tried and true........http://toastytech.com/guis/bobhome1p.png


Bob rocks!:dood

 

I called the Dog Mister Gruff the Crime dog lol:-D

 

As someone who remembers you Adryn from days gone bye for your acerbic wit and speak as you find manner i have to wholeheartedly agree with you on Windows 8.
I have had it on one of my PCs from the first day of release and have still not grown to like it, i feel as if i am using a giant version of my smart phone and am unable to treat it seriously.
I hope (but doubt) that they will change it before release for sale or i think i will wait for Windows 9 before i change.
Just like XP to Windows 7 without stopping at Vista.

 

I find myself wishing Bill Gates was still calling the shots.

Gates was to Microsoft, what Jobs was to Apple.

 

I haven't even looked at Win8, mainly because I see sentiments as what's expressed here. I agree, chasing your tail all over the screen to do what used to be rather simple is pretty maddening.

 

Yep, Cheech & Chong of the O.S.'s rolleyes

Tried WIn 8 on several machines over the past few months and I am far from impressed, too. basically, what is so damn "cool" about making the P.C. into a, (very poor) cellphone. It's neither intuitive, user friendly, nor ergonomic. In fact, I see almost no redeeming points in it.
Frankly, I just hope it goes the way of Win ME and defuncts itself A.S.A.P.rolleyes

 

I spent 3,4,5 times as long to do simple tasks. Simple navigation caused me to get angry, because it seems like they made it purposely difficult. It feels like they want you to use Metro and not touch any file explorer at all.


I hate it so much...after my degree is finished, I am saying bye to Microsoft altogether until they come to their senses again.

 

Yes. Gates had a better touch than Ballmer does. Bill is the board Chairman so I guess he could replace Ballmer if he wanted to. Interesting times for MS.

 

From the comments so far, Windows 8 sounds like "New Coke" - taking a product people like and f***ing up the formula just so it can be marketed with the word "NEW!".

My guess is the rush to launch Windows 8 is Marketing To (and For) Dummies. It's no secret that Windows-based PC sales have tanked in the past year at the expense of iPads and Android tablets. Manufacturers such as Dell and HP are desperate to get back some or all of this market share.

Keeping in mind the vast majority of PC buyers are basically clueless, seeing a PC on the shelf that looks like the Android of iPad OS will generate initial interest and sales. Like Vista, it will take several months of mainstream bashing and bad reviews until Joe and Jane Noob realize that newer doesn't always equal better.

 

If by 'for dummies' you mean so dumbed down that it is hard to use, then yes

 

Somewhere in the wild is a elderly man using Windows 8, and the now infamous Gnome Shell interface (*which imo Windows stole and adapted for Win 8)


Glad to see Adrynalyne not holding back in his Geek love of the newest OS.

 

The problem is David that this is the first thing they see and it does not create a good first impression.

 

The thing is, a different look is one thing, but no amount of using it is going to excuse the fact that a new user will need to read a manual to figure out how to navigate the hotspots, and power users will be angry because Microsoft is making it more difficult to get to certain functions. On top of that, 6 months, 1 year, 3 years from now, we still have to justify why we need two application interfaces. I shun distros that give me 5 music apps, 6 twitter clients, and 25 mail clients. This is no different. I run dual 23 inch monitors here, and when I booted it up, I had a metro interface on one side, and a desktop on another. I thought this was fantastic, until I realized that opening an app on the desktop shut down the metro start page. That took away any advantage I could find with it.

An OS can be fast, but if the interface requires me to take 2-3 times as long to accomplish the same tasks, then it just negated any speed advantage the software has. Microsoft found a way to dumb things down enough to actually increase difficulty on using the OS. To me that is counterproductive.

Isn't that the definition of a failed interface? If I have to get past the interface to appreciate the OS?

 

Thanks for the heads up Adry. I was thinking about waiting for Win8 before I upgrade. I think I will go with Win7 64 bit. (running XP 32 bit now).

Now if I could just upgrade from XP to Win7...

 

It sounds like this is like when Office went from the familiar 2003 format to that stinking stupid ribbon in 2007 and beyond. I kept 2003 until I couldn't transfer it to my new computer then just switched to Open Office. I do have a copy of 2007 office on my laptop, but just because I installed it first only to reallize just how crappy it would be to use it, and 5 years after it's release I still think it sucks.

 

This is worrisome news, since critical updates and extended support for XP will expire in less than two years.

I'll have to buy a new machine to support the new operating system as well as deal with the inconvenience of learning the new OS.

I've been wondering what that's going to be like and what operating system will be on hand when it becomes a near necessity to upgrade.

Windows XP has been the most stable and pleasant to use graphical Microsoft OS.

I have never been fond of the seeming planned obsolescence of hardware, operating system and software.

 

I understand people like the os they like, but at the same time, should a developer be forced to update an os they build forever? I would consider at upgrade to windows 7 mjnc, and get used to it before you are forced into windows 8.

 

I agree Coleman. 11 years or so is a bit long for an OS. Just think how much faster and different the CPU's and RAM are now. I also think the Microsoft peeps could learn a lot themselves from an OS that is this old and still in wide use.

 

Win 7 is awesome. It's worth sticking with until win 9 supercedes win 8. I suspect sometime around 2013.

 

What I find worrisome about Windows 8 is that now Microsoft wants developers to create Metro apps. Correct me if I am wrong, but that breaks all compatibility with prior OSes. That is not the Microsoft way. Or at least it didn't use to be.

So I foresee developers having to work double time, or worse, just not using Metro. I do not see how Metro will fly except with big app developers.

 

I never touch a new MS product until it's been on the market for 3 years. That's about how long it takes them to fix everything that's inevitably wrong with it... or scrap it.

 

Windows finally comes full circle. :-D

http://mthruf.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/job-fails-technology-moves-in-squares1.jpg

 

What was wrong with 3.11

 

Wasn't that the DOS based one, where if you formated your hard drive, you had to install DOS with the floppy drives, then install Windows? Oh what fun. :-D

 

I installed Windows 2.11 the other day.

 

I would ask why Adry, but would probably not understand the answer. :-D:-D

 

Just to see if I could :-D

I installed Windows 1.0.1 too

 

You make it sound like such a foreign idea. Now I feel really old.

 

LOL, I can understand that. :-D I am thinking about reviving one of the computers I have laying around into a Linux machine, just to torture myself with my lack of CMD line skills. :-D

The onboard computer on our newest printer is running a 'Nix version, I will have to see what it is. Sure boots fast. Really more of what would you call it, a 'Nix OS that automatically runs the printer software. But, I will need to network into it.

OT, I got the printer leveled, lots 'o fun. We powered it up, and it is alive, asking for inks. :-D

We just need a vent duct setup, ink, and we may be printing, as long as nothing is defective.

 

Couldn't remember myself, so had to go look it up.

A history of Windows

 

Now look up TI 99 4a and hexadecimals

 

I agree with you David,(I have yet to actually try it for myself) people need to actually use something for even a few days to actually see if they like it. If someone tries it and doesn't like it and they go to a forum, blog, what have you and just bash it because it didn't preform the way they felt it should, or for what they were using it for compared to another OS. Then someone reads all that negative stuff and it turns them away from it, who knows, maybe the person that got turned away that OS could do exactly what they wanted and/or needed it to do for them.
Each person and situation is different, what might not work for one may work wonders for another.

But, I love my Start menu. :drool

 

Wait, Hold the phone! Does this mean that you can only run one application at a time?

If so what do you think that will do in a business environment?
I mean, myself alone, when I sit down at my computer I have FF open with multiple tabs, and/or another FF open, a word document, or another such application, maybe a game or two. If I read that right can I not do that anymore??

 

I did the Windows 7 deployment for my company. Let me give you a business perspective regarding Windows 8 and business....we aren't upgrading.

1. We just upgraded everyone in 2010. It's barely been two years.
2. Windows 7 suits everyone's needs and frankly is the most stable build yet from Redmond.
3. Windows 8, while I overall like the interface would require a MASSIVE RETRAINING for all my users who are auditors and accountants.
4. If they don't put a legacy view back in Windows 8, I'll pass on it.

 

Well no, that isn't quite what I meant. Dual monitors are deceiving in Windows 8. When you first boot up, one monitor shows a desktop and one monitor shows Metro. In this regard, it almost seems usable to me. However if you launch an app from the desktop, it automatically closes the Metro start page which removes the advantage..

There are some improvements, such as there is a taskbar on both sides now, but past that...*shrug*


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Are any of my points invalid? To me, they are as true as day. Under what circumstance do two app interfaces make sense? If all of my equipment was a touch interface, I might be a little more forgiving. Metro can be quite the advantage for touch. However lets face it, most PCs out there are not touch screens. As-is, on my desktop, it feels like a mash up of windows phone and windows 7. I cannot see any circumstance where this would be an ideal match, or even one that made sense. Don't get me wrong. Metro apps are beautiful, but this is a case of form over function.

I've had it installed since the release on 5/31, fwiw. I hate it as much as I did the first day.

The whole don't knock it till you try it for a few days argument was made for Windows ME too :-D

 

Like they always say. You can put lipstick on a pig, it is still a pig.

I am also skipping 8. I hated ME, hated Dos 4.x, have used every Windows from 3.1 to 7, never skipping one. After this year, and finally decided to load Ubuntu 11.10 64bit on my Acer Netbook, which is now running 12.04LTS 64bit.

From everything that I have read, seen about 8, it is going to be a royal pooch screw. They can not even give Windows mobile handsets away these days. As for 9, rumor is, that it will be even more cloud based than 8 already is. MS started to incorporate the cloud into 7, within the past two years.

As for the Unity interface in Ubuntu, I limit what I keep in there, and do most of my stuff from either search, or terminal for the majority, for what I cannot accomplish through the gui.

First day at my new office three weeks ago, I pissed off a outgoing LAN coordinator, due to I came in knowing more about Windows & networking than he did. He did not know what to say, but stood there gasping & mumbling, when I started to drag all of my most used apps to the Quick Launch in Windows XP, which my state still uses, due to too many legacy apps that will not run in 7, and the licensing will kill our state budget, even though they just bought a bunch of Lenova desktop workstations.

What will really be the killer for MS, is when they realize that the Enterprise in the medical & government sectors do not widely adopt 8, along with the fact that they are not adopting Office 365. Right now, all Microsoft is doing, is grasping at straws, due to they have stagnated the PC market with nothing with a wow factor, and think that all of a sudden with 8, that people are going to run out and get tablets, even though it is a really small market share that has and uses tablets.

 

Ohhhhhh ok, that makes sense.
I understand your point a little bit more now.

 

Here's my problem. The whole reason Windows was so popular was because it was more user friendly than it's predecessor, MS-DOS. I don't see it as a positive step when MS-DOS is more user-friendly than the new Windows.