Leave McDonalds Alone!

Oh and by the way, you said humans have not been eating cholesterol for thousands of years... so... you think until the last 50 years no one ate any red meat or eggs or anything with protein in it?... awww it's cute how ignorant you are of scientific fact.
Maybe you should talk to a dietician instead of doctors and government and news articles.

Also to add to what I said, I also eat a lot of veggies for my carbs, because we NEED carbs, carb free diet is very unhealthy.
Fat matters not, trans fat is bad.
Fry foods either dry or in Extra vigin olive oil (has to be extra otherwise it's half canola which is no good) and definitely NOT veggie or sunflower oil.
Butter over margarine.

Again, this is scientific FACT, and I stand living proof so... I think... without trying to sound big headed... I just pwned you

Trust me, don't come back with links because I can find you a million links to all kinds of things that are incorrect, come back with facts from people who actually know, people who are nothing to do with gov or media.
Also like I said, I can post a mammoth post of info that will 100% prove everything you have said is incorrect.

And one last time... I have physical evidence which surprised my doctor because he learnt something from me. Other people have argued with me, people who are on magazine diets etc and still overweight after months and months of eating "Healthy"
My argument every time is to simply stand there and point to myself.
230lbs to 184lbs since April.
20 minutes workout 3 times per week and I'm developing a 6 pack, put 2 inches on my biceps, definition of muscle structure throughout my body has increased by at least 50% , I bought a chin up bar 6 weeks ago and could just about pull 3 when I started.
Last Tuesday I did a stop start chin up day, in 3 hours between working on my PC, every 10-15 minutes I did 80 chin ups, I can now do 16 without stopping and repeat that 10 minutes later.
So now we can go into the FACT that you don't have to workout for hours or run for miles.

Eat properly, cook properly, burst/explosive exercise.
These are the keys, NOT counting calories, NOT eliminating calories, fats and carbs.

Government disagrees because there is money involved as you said, ALL gov's do this, not just America's, Magazines and news are the same, they all give out incorrect info that may help you lose weight quickly but is not a healthy lifestyle.

I am not on a diet, I have simply changed my diet to live healthy and yet I have had to give up very little, I enjoy lots of red meat, lots of fried veggies and lots of fruit.

FACT, FACT, FACT.... physical evidence, right here in the mirror in front of me.

 

Exactly my point, Thank you Vik

 

Actually, if I could be bothered, (which I can't), I could show you an Aussie Mcd's box, which has No nutritional info on it, (gasp!), all it says on Australian boxes is "Made from All Australian beef", which means precisely squat. Guess what - people still literally queue up to buy to buy their food.

Being adamant that weight gain is simply calorie input Vs output is both over simplistic and just plain wrong. It is A factor, but only a factor.

You completely overlook such things as Basil Metabolic Rate:- (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basal_metabolic_rate), which is the human body's resting metabolic rate. Which is determined by numerous factors such as, genetics, age, sex, emotional stress levels, (see cortisone, steroid metabolism) and so forth. Approximately 60% of calories are burnt whilst sleeping., so tendency to fatness or otherwise is more than half predetermined. That said these issues can and are successfully addressed with tailor made diet/exercise programs, since EVERYONE is different, and different at different stages of their life.

Also related is Hypothalamus activity:-

Yeah, there is also plenty of math in the above link for those interested .

Oh, b.t.w.:- I'm no Doctor, but I did do Nursing for a number of years, as well as being and industrial Chemist for over 25 years, but then what do I know.rolleyes

Basically serving size nutrients, (including fats) are used precisely in order to make it easier for the 'average John/Jane Doe' to work out. (Also usually accompanied by % R.D.I., (Recommended Daily Intake)). I dunno what more you want.:confused

Cholesterol(s) metabolism is not 100% understood, but it is known to have a large genetic predisposition component.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholesterol

Wouldn't it be nice if weight loss was as simple as some of the posts in this thread state? Well it aint. Bottom line:- Most diets will work if you stick to them for long enough. Most diets fail because the appropriate LIFE STYLE CHANGES have not been made.

 

LOL
where did I say obesity=high cholestrol?
LOL
:-D
really, I missed it

oppose what view? that cutting calories leads to weight loss? no, I support that view, my view is cutting out sweets and pastas etc is nonesense,

I said and posted a link to show an example of what i said, that cutting those things out of your diet is not a way to lose weight. If I eat 5000calories of oats or fruit, Im still going to gain weight.. right?

the way to lose weight is to eat less than you burn. sure, you can do what you suggest, but thats just a trick to get yourself to eat fewer calories.

you are just trying to put words into my mouth
and thats why you arent hitting upon the point of why not just say food in this box is worth 200 calories instead the math they make us do
not hard math, but doesnt make a lot of sense to me and neither does the .49mg=0mg......which they do for transfats,etc

nope, just saying as humans were evolving we didnt have the stiumuls of massive amounts of cholestrol as we do today, so in the past <100 yrs, we eat many times more cholestrol than we ever have before and our bodies just dont know what to do with it.
the same goes for the excitotoxins we crave so much in our foods, like MSG(under many different names) natural flavors, aspartame, etc

My medical school physiology teacher is the one who told me about cholesterol, when I asked him about the high cholestrl myth, vs inflammmation to cause heart attacks
aka he said
"As for cholesterol vs. inflammation, it’s not an either/or situation. The body doesn’t know what to do with excess cholesterol once it has enough to make all the cell membranes it needs. After that, it starts to store it; unfortunately, this tends to be in stupid places, like blood vessels. Since blood vessels weren’t designed to store lipids or cholesterol, inflammation results. Foam cells in atherosclerotic plaques are the body’s attempt to break up, phagocytose, and store the excess lipids. Too bad it doesn’t work."


Hope that clears up stuff for you, see as my link about the Twinkie diet showed, you can eat whatever you want and lose weight, just eat fewer calories than you burn.....I can explain the difference between weight loss and fat loss later for you,,,I got other stuff to do though...you understand, Im sure

 

economics of what? not everyone can afford food to not be fat/unhealthy?
not true, the problem is food is a drug; it stimulates the same/similar reward pathways as smoking does(which is why when you stop smoking, people tend to gain weight as they get high off of eating
http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/addiction/drugs/mouse.html

you want to eat cheaply? go to mcdonalds, get a cheap meal, or go to the store and buy fruit and eggwhites...

doesnt matter much what you eat as long as you eat less than you burn, you wont get fat or kill yourself with smoking/ doing drugs(Which are much more potent than food)
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html
Iposted that already, but it holds up,
Mark Haub, a professor of human nutrition at Kansas State University, ate one of these sugary cakelets every three hours, instead of meals. To add variety in his steady stream of Hostess and Little Debbie snacks, Haub munched on Doritos chips, sugary cereals and Oreos, too
For a class project, Haub limited himself to less than 1,800 calories a day. A man of Haub's pre-dieting size usually consumes about 2,600 calories daily. So he followed a basic principle of weight loss: He consumed significantly fewer calories than he burned.

His body mass index went from 28.8, considered overweight, to 24.9, which is normal. He now weighs 174 pounds.

But you might expect other indicators of health would have suffered. Not so.

Haub's "bad" cholesterol, or LDL, dropped 20 percent and his "good" cholesterol, or HDL, increased by 20 percent. He reduced the level of triglycerides, which are a form of fat, by 39 percent


so what about the expense of foods being the reason why poor people are fat? huh?:-D

 

Wow...you must live in a fantasy world. Craptastic food is cheaper than healthy food. That is a fact.

Option 2 will cost your more.

At any rate, what you are not taking into consideration is that not everyone has a fast metabolism, which means those tests of people losing weight on sugary foods is entirely irrelevant.

By the way, what happened to you leaving this thread? Can't keep to your word?

 

I just showed you can eat crap food and not destroy your health, r u living in a fantasy world and miss that?
fast metabolism? what are yuo talking about? its CALORIES IN VS calories out......show me where that does not work?
BTW what happened where you said I said obestiy ALWAYS leads to high cholesterol? or did you just run out of stuff to make up?
keep at it, you are hilarious to mess with.:-D

 

Did you even read my post? I answered all of your questions. Why keep asking them?

You are 1000 times wrong about sugar. Watch this and learn something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdMjKEncojQ

 

Alright, watchtv. I cannot debate someone who doesn't understand how your metabolism affects weight loss. I am starting to think you are purposely talking nonsense, or a child.

You have been saying it all along. You would realize this if you even had an inkling of what you are talking about these last several posts.

 

is there something in the air around here lately?? rolleyes

 

Apparently, LOL.

 

nothing to debate, cept its watchNtv..
explain to me how speed of metabolism affects weight loss?
really? Im lost on what you are talking about?
what is a "fast" metabolism?]
what is a "slow" metabolism?

you mean leptin sensitive vs leptin-resistant?

no, sounds like you are saying a "fast metabolism" is one that burns 4k calories a day and a slow one burns 400calories a day?
is that right?


I cant tell someone why they are wrong when they are being obtuse and being abstract, I need concrete questions/statements.

you are being very abstract about your accusation that I said/implied that obesity=high cholesterol. so you can start off by showing what you talking about and since, you claim, I"ve been implying that all along??? that task should be easy for you

I am not debating you, you think this is a debate, no. You might know computers/et al. but I know dieting/the body....I'm just telling you the facts and Im very happy to share with you why your misconceptions are misconceptions; you just need to let me know what others ones you have.
I already explained that you can eat whatever you want and lose weight so long as the calories you take in are less than you burn.

what are your other misconceptions?

Cheers!

 

With this line of questioning, I'm going to guess that you DID NOT watch the video I posted. If you want to stay ignorant, fine, but don't act like you know it all and then ignore it when you get proven wrong. It does not make you look well.

 

I watched your video :-D

 

LOL but you seem to like to learn things.. some people NEED to learn things. I guess that saying is true, you lead a person to a informational video but you can't make them watch it. :-D

 

no, you cant even lead a person to water/video

I dont watch non-porn videos
you can provide information in a text that I can read or the information must not be important enough to warrent you telling what it is, with some form of validation

what I said, that weight loss occurs via simple caloric resriction(burn more than you eat) is so simple, you deny it to be true?
than explain what you mean?
I couldnt even get the basic questions I asked answered.see thats me trying to Learn/see what you think is true
but you wont teach/tell me
so why would I watch a video ?
it will inevitably lead to more questions that you people wont answer
so whats the point?
you dont answer me cause you dont want to learn...actions>>>>words
CHEERs!
:-D

 

Wow....ignorance at its finest right there.

You provided links, and expected people to read. But if someone provides a link to a video, you shrug them off.

 

Wow, you want answers but can't be bothered with the response. You are sad case, my friend. You want the answers to your question? watch my video. If you can't comprehend a 10 minute video then you have more problems then calorie consumption.

 

not at all
I told you information, than provided links to where that information came fro
I said the twinkle/junk food diet shows you can be lose weight, eating whatever you want, as long as you eat fewer calories than yuo burn
then I showed you were I got that information from
you could either belive what i said OR not believe me and refer to the link

you just posted soe UBOOB video.. no idea what is is about, and no reason to watch it
dontcha want to LEEERNN???

 

Not the brightest crayon in the box, I see. I'll spell it out. You said sugar has nothing to do with gaining weight, I said you are wrong, sugar does too and I posted a video called "SUGAR THE BITTER TRUTH". So, obviously, the video is/was about the effects of sugar on the body. Wow rolleyes

 

I didnt realize I was dealing with someone who belives whatever they read or see on youboob
hahah

where's your brain? still eating crayons?

how does sugar negate eating less than you burn? you are talking about insulin response?
did you understand what I said about the prof. who ate junk food all day and lost 27lbs ib 10 weeks, decreasing his LDL, and bodyfat percentage and raising his HDL?

guess you dont get that at all

ok lets look it strictly from an enegy point of view

you eat 2000 calories in PURE SUGAR
yet you ride your bike or walk and burn 3000 calories
this means at the end of the day you have a 1000 calorie deficit...
so how does sugar or insulin negate the laws of physics?
MAGIC?
hmmmm
exactly.....thanks for playing though, its been fun(ny) so far, what are your other misconceptions/myths?
---yes, insulin will shut down mobilization and fat loss cold,but so? you still burn calories as shown in
but you dont need to take my word that fat loss still occurs even with insulin floating around
Kamath V. et al. Effects of a quick-release form of bromcriptine (ergoset) on
fasting and postprandial plasma glucose, insulin, lipid, and lipoprotein
concentrations in obese nondiabetic hyperinsulinemic women. Diabetes Care (1997)

what else is confusing you about weight loss?

 

A simple Google search shows how wrong you are. There are even articles from physicians on it.

 

watchntv.........I think you're about 1 post away from getting B****slapped for your arrogant and rude replies.

 

I think we can all agree that this thread is going nowhere. watchntv has his opinion, and everyone else has theirs. Nothing will change.

So instead of it infuriating people more as rudeness increases, I'll close it before someone says something to get themselves in hot water.