Spot a liar

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by LauraR, Nov 14, 2012.

  1. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    http://on.ted.com/Meyer

    Interesting video on how to tell if someone is lying.

    I always loved that show 'Lie to Me'.
     
  2. cipher

    cipher Major Geek Extraordinaire

    Wow! Thank you...
     
  3. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

  4. gman863

    gman863 MajorGeek

    When I worked at Circuit City over a decade ago as a sales manager, they had a three-step interview process. The final one was called the "loss prevention interview". I did dozens of these and - in most cases - it was body language and other subtle hints (as shown in the video) that raised red flags on who I didn't hire.

    An honest answer to an embarrassing question (Have you ever used drugs? "Yes, I smoked pot once at a party a few years ago") was usually not a strike against the applicant, so long as their facial expression and body language didn't indicate they were giving an incomplete answer.

    Another trick was - although only one person performed the interview - alternating quickly between "good cop" and "bad cop". They were asked at the beginning if they had ever stolen from an employer. About 10 minutes later, after a series of much lighter questions, they were asked "What is the largest amount of money or goods you've ever stolen from your employer?" If the body language shifted suddenly, it was a deal killer (and yes, I actually had a few people blurt out a confession, followed by an "ooops" of dead silence. :-D).

    The scariest people are "flatliners" - people who have so little conscience they've learned to control their body language to the point lies are almost unrecognizable. I once had a "friend" who was a top stockbroker at a major firm. Only after he was fired and sent to Federal Prison did I realize how good he was at lying.
     
  5. cipher

    cipher Major Geek Extraordinaire

    Yes

    Now I have to buy this book... :)
     
  6. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    Looking to win some money in your next poker game, cipher? :-D ;)
     
  7. cipher

    cipher Major Geek Extraordinaire

    No, I seem to do OK at poker as is. A conservative approach, per Kenny Rogers...

    Just seems to be a good skill to develop, if even a bit. I'm on page 29 now, have learned a good bit already. The squinting vs. raised eyebrows on meeting someone is a good tell...
     
  8. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    Know when to hold em and fold em, huh? :)

    Wow...you are quick! Do you have a kindle or another e-reader? I'm glad you're liking it. I thought it was very fascinating. I should pick it up again. It was a while ago that I read it.
     
  9. dyamond

    dyamond Imelda Marcos of Majorgeeks

    One of things I say to people is, don't lie to me because I WILL find out. So they lie to me and I find out and call them on it (I always do). They usually seem so surprised when I do too.

    I've always been incredibly good at reading people, and not just with lying but with being able to figure out if they have ulterior motives or something. Funny story; when my sister and I were younger and I would meet her boyfriends, I would say I don't like him (for whatever reason). 99% of the time, the reason I listed was the reason she would eventually break up with him (usually a couple months later as she didn't always see eye to eye with me :-D) but after me being right so many times (not only with the bf's but with people in general) she'd actually started to rely on my judgement. People always ask me why am I so good, I tell them, it's what people DON'T say that does it.
     
  10. Rikky

    Rikky Wile E. Coyote - One of a kind

    I liked lie to me,her presentation is very similar to the presentation of lie to me.

    I'm a little sceptical as to how well these techniques can be used though all the examples she posted were on well known proven liars in retrospect. It would be more impressive if she showed some modern examples such as politicians speeches or debates and told us who was lying in advance, it would also be much more useful proving these techniques can be used productively.

    Surely if they do work there should be an expert like this helping every jury?

    The science is very interesting though,cool link thanks:)
     
  11. gman863

    gman863 MajorGeek

    It's easy to tell if a politician is lying: Their lips are moving. :-D
     
  12. Rikky

    Rikky Wile E. Coyote - One of a kind

    I walked into that one:-D Another point is politicians have speech and body language coaches that get paid an average persons yearly salary per day, if she can spot them she can also help hide them.

    So we need to get these people on our side,the truth will out!
     
  13. cipher

    cipher Major Geek Extraordinaire

    Exactly. Also, slow play really good hands and only drink a bit.
    Excessive alcohol + poker = Going home light...

    Color Nook. I've been tempted to root it (It is MY device) but it is a reasonable "Almost a Tablet" as is, so I haven't. Big improvement from the first Nook, backlighting alone is worth the cost...

    Yes, the book is fascinating, written for non-professionals. Enough theory for those who like it, but so far full of practical examples.
     
  14. cipher

    cipher Major Geek Extraordinaire

    Even before reading this or seeing the video I have always been struck by something similar. Many times, when asked for example "did you do that?", the liar will reply along the lines of "there's no proof I did that." They seem to automatically go into a legalese parse of the question.

    "There's no proof I did that" is not the same as "No, I didn't"

    Then again, I prefer no nonsense plain talk. Words mean things...
     
  15. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    I would say I'm good at reading people...not necessarily catching them at lies, but just general body language. The interesting thing are the people that have absolutely zero ability at non verbal cues. I actually find that lack more fascinating.LOL

    Agreed on the being more impressive before finding the truth. lol

    The book I linked cipher to actually teaches you how to do that. You have to constantly pay attention though while people are talking so you learn. I tried to do it after I read the book, but it's pretty exhausting...not to mention obvious that you are doing it. :-D

    Ahh...I'm thinking that's B&N version of the Kindle Fire. I'm an Amazon person, so didn't even consider a different device.

    I didn't even know you could root those...some geek I am. lol
     
  16. Spad

    Spad MajorGeek

    Interesting link. I have never been an accomplished liar . . . which is a good thing, I guess (unless, of course, I've some buried treasure somewhere. Which I don't. Really. I mean it. :innocent Go away).

    I've always been a believer in what Samuel Clemens said: "If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything." Amen to that.

    There is a lot to the science of body language - some people are naturals at reading it (like Dy) but it can also be taught. A negative flip side is a person could learn what to look for and thus avoid giving themselves away when they are lying . . .
     
  17. cipher

    cipher Major Geek Extraordinaire

    In addition to the typical geek youtube tut, rooting color nooks has become a cottage industry. Web sites that will do it for $, ebay has ready to go microsd cards for sale, heck there is even an "Official Site" tag for one in Google...

    Maybe I'm too old school here, but if you're gonna root a nook you should do it the old fashioned way. If by watching a youtube, mute the loud "incredibly cool music" the video maker feels is an "enhancment" to the tutorial. And even if it is a text and pic tut, the one cardinal rule applies to both:

    You must FUBAR the device at least once. Bricked into oblivion. Spend an hour figuring out where you went wrong. Upon sucessful completion, buy the T-shirt that sez, in effect, "Fear me, for I am leet. I have rooted a Nook."

    One needn't wear the shirt in public, but must be able to produce it for show when like minded individuals visit your Computer Cave strewn with empty Yoo-Hoo bottles and Van-O-Lunch cookie wrappers... :cool

    Lying about getting it right the first time is acceptable although no one will believe you. Particularly the ones who have studied the book you put us all on to...
     

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