Dang Apple, Learn How to Cool Your Machines

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2056318/Hot.png



That is with me manually capping the fan speed to max.

This is default.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2056318/Hot2.png


Its not just my machine either, this is common. Temperatures are shown in the top right.

 

Maybe you got the optional cooktop model by mistake roflmao

Oh well those standard temps aren't too good for long term reliability but it makes a great room heater during winter

 

Curiously how hot of a room where you in? I notice at work if room temp is about 70ish my macbook seems to get much hotter then normal. This is not a laptop your talking about however im sure, just wanted to throw that out there.

 

It was about 68 degrees in the house this morning. Granted it was under a super heavy load pegging all cores, but they are calling it too close with their cooling methods.

 

Here's mine on a iMac, fans ticking over at a leisurely pace.

Cheers..

 

Ah, I see. Cross post.
Cheers..

 

Compile Android. You will be in the 90c area in short order. Heck, merely enabling Apple's VNC server jumps it to 85-90c at idle.

The problem isn't the idle temperature. It is the load temperature. The best way to see if your cooling is insufficient is to see the temperature difference between idle and load.

 

Holy space heaters, Batman! :eek

What on earth is the point of a computer that reaches the boiling point of water the moment you ask it to do actual work???


Oh, right, I forgot. It's a Mac.

 

I am curious on how the thermal paste is applied. Don't have an Ianything to test, but have seen some really bad tp applications on video cards in the last few years. And perhaps the Apple likes the heat? Would be curious what the temp ranges on them are.

 

I see it now, had to zoom in.
That's pretty hot there, I thought the same as Fred.

 

They normally run hot...45-50c idle is not good for ivy bridge.


Anyway, if history has shown, they don't know how to make cases that have proper ventilation and their thermal paste application sucks.

 

But, it is Apple, it just works right? Just joking. That is why I like the PC, I can spec it, build it, and make sure it is as I like. The downside can be Windows...

Would be interesting if Apple opened up to the enthusiast group so you could build your own box, and use the Apple OS. Don't see that happening in the near future.

Heck, "If wishes were horses, dreamers would ride."

Love the YouTube. OT, but the source for my quote. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcqX-e9cOSs

 

Ironically, that's what Apple originally was. Just some computer nerds enthusiast's Group back in the '70's. How times change :confused.

 

Where would we be today if Bill Gates and Apple people meet like in the commercial for the Ritz peanut butter cups... Hey, you got security off in my user friendly OS...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWMM7HPeTHQ

:-D

 

Macbook I had to share, i upgraded my macbook to 16 gigs from 4 today.

 

Do you have any benchmarks from 4GB and new 16GB? I am really trying to talk myself into Win7 64 bit. I love XP, but RAM be cheap! :cool

 

Sure Dont Fred_G

 

I shut my system down when it gets to 160F, aside from the GPU which idles about 122F. Then again, I guess when you've got proprietary components that require your service techs, you want them to break as quick as possible.

 

Slacker.




:-D

 

What do you mean Triaxx2? They use the same parts as pcs.

 

Do they? Is that why they still cost four times what a comparable PC does?

 

You don't really think that is why they cost more, do they?

You are paying for a name, not differences in hardware.

Apple is about as proprietary as HP, Dell and the rest.

 

You mean Dell with the oddly sized cases so you can't actually put a full size card in for an upgrade?

On the other hand, weren't you just telling me in the 7 thread that Apple OS's only worked on Apple products?

How do you manage that without proprietary hardware.

 

Do you really want to argue with me? rolleyes

OS X only legally works on Apple machines.

Better? You are taking things out of context. Notice you also didn't mention that I said that Apple could open OS X. That implies there is no hardware limitation.

 

I'm not arguing, I'm trying to understand your definition. If they are using the exact same parts, what is the difference between Apple Hardware and 'Misc collection of parts'?

 

Nothing, deep down.


Apple uses UEFI and completely locks the user out of it so that they are limited to what they can install (for instance, Windows requires Apple's blessing via Boot Camp). Today's computers also use UEFI (BIOS is too old and limited for today's hardware), but they don't lock users out.

The end difference is that you can use a multitude of bootloaders on a non-Mac machine and install what you like, including OS X if your hardware has the needed drivers. However you cannot do it legally, and that was my contention in the other thread. Apple makes the choice to not allow other companies to build drivers for it and use their hardware. All Apple has to do is open the driver model to manufacturers. Otherwise you are limited mostly to the same or similar limited hardware set used on a Mac.

 

So, you saying I should not run a Mac on Windows machine anymore Adry?


























Did not know it was illegal to set a Mac on top of a Windows box... :-D:-D

 

People have been shot for better humor

 

Sorry, I don't have IHumor. :-D

 

Ah. Now that makes sense. Sort of. If Apples drivers are closed, doesn't that mean that there's some hardware that won't work in Apple systems?

Or is it a, 'We're not supposed to, but we can any way.' situation?

 

There are some talented hackers out there that have managed to get some devices working that were not originally meant for OS X. But yeah, it all boils down to drivers and the bootloader.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSx86

 

If you were to code drivers for the hardware that were compatible for MacOS and coded any OS components necessary to run the hardware then the hardware would work.

In theory coding UNIX drivers for the hardware should work as MacOS was originally based on UNIX and Leopard is UNIX compliant (certified). However MacOS is now a lot different from *NIX so this approach might not work.

But the main point here is that this is against the Apple ToS and you attempt anything like this at your own risk.

 

The major differences between Apple Computers and P.C.'s is in the FIRMWARE so that the hardware can utilize the proprietary software. Apart from rather obvious cosmetic differences.

 

ToS? Oh, right. That's that thing no one ever pays any attention to. Mostly because they're trying to compete with the Tax Code for length and complexity.