Second Boston Bomber In Custody

Looks like they got the second 'alleged' Boston bomber. I did not think they would get him alive.

Thoughts and prayers to the victims.

As to the bombers, I will keep those thoughts to myself, as they are not rated PG. Hope any of you in that area are OK!

 

Not to downplay the seriousness of the event but my friend and I were watching Judge Judy and she was just about to lay the smack down when they broke in with this special report. Now we're never gonna know who won.. :-D




(without getting to HBT, I'm glad they caught the jerk but I kind of wish it wasn't alive (I'm sure that sounds awful) but now we have to clothe, house and feed this sucker on our dime? bah)

 

I feel you, but I doubt they acted alone. Perhaps we can get info from this guy and get a few more up the ladder.

My theory is we only feed and house him for a few more days. But, again, that is more HBT. I am just glad they got him. And no citizens or LEO got hurt in the capture. I was afraid he might have a suicide vest on.

19 year old kid, no Miranda rights (as I have heard). He will sing like a canary.

The words pork products and some guy named Tiny might be interesting in prison. :-D

 

I have to give law enforcement credit.

If I was the qualified sniper, I may have disobeyed orders so as to make his head a canoe.

We need information, and his "death wish" wasn't as well qualified as his partner in crime turned out to be.

 

I have to say the Boston LEO's did themselves proud with their restraint. I would have been thinking bomber, shoot on sight. Probably a good reason I am not LEO. :-D

 

We were watching the entire thing unfold (heck might as well, since there was no more Judge Judy :-D). It was tense. From what I heard when I was watching, they did read him his rights, twice. Once when they captured him, he waived them and agreed to talk then he complained about burns on his legs from the bombs, so they took him to the hosp (psh, I woulda said suck it up loser, you don't deserve medical care) and read them again when he left the hosp, because the burns apparently weren't that severe.

They were talking about these two brother not being very bright, as in they had the plan but no exit strategy. I mean, really, hiding in a boat?

I won't go into what I really think he should get, too HBT for this thread. :-D

 

ABC News feed we carried said they didn't read the rights at all, said it can be waived if the its a public safety matter and or terrorist type attack, which i found interesting. Kinda was crappy for me at work cause we kept breaking into coverage to broadcast the updates.

 

Hmm, that's odd. CNN was the one that broke in on my end and they specifically said that he was read his rights. There were many different people talking so I can't pinpoint who but they definitely said it. They then went into much detail about this and that the police didn't have to read him his right and could just start interrogating him but the problem with that is if they do that then they couldn't use anything he said in court against him.

Perhaps they got the story wrong or misunderstood but most of these reporters and officials were just blocks from the scene and got most of their information first hand. So I dunno... :confused

 

The Fourth Estate is only as well off as it's commitment to honesty.

Even when it's all the news unfit to print.

At this point Miranda rights are a novelty. We're discussing a man on an alleged suicide run who managed to get taken alive. The judge can read the man his rights at arraignment for all I personally care.

On a lighter note, has he warranted, and earned Gitmo style interrogation?

I tell you this, I think you should ditch the status quo, and ask how we produced these people as a society. Was it because 300 million Americans are lazy, or because less than 3 million are far too greedy?

Which is easier to believe?

Society created these men. I think the question should be: How do we not produce another like them?

 

I think calling these men/kids Americans is a bit of a stretch, of the info that's come out they didn't consider themselves Americans and said they 'didn't understand Americans'.

Terrible news the bombings, just a very sad scene the whole thing. I've been following the coverage closely in England so best wishes to anyone involved.

When I first saw the bombings I thought it would be home grown, red necks who had a problem with the fed or something, that I can at least understand. These guys were just a pathetic pair of kids who were angry at the world because, even though they were Muslims and one at least may have been radicalised, as more information comes out about them it seems they didn't have enough or any friends:confused

Did they ever stop to think that maybe Americans didn't like them because they are nut jobs who want to blow innocent people up:confused

I don't have any anger toward them at all really like I have toward other terrorist attacks, I just think it's all very sad, pathetic and cruel.

What has angered me was the self righteous Muslim woman who's been babbling on the news every night about censoring the whole of the internet so radical Islamic web sites or information regarding everything that can possible be used in a terrorist attack can't be viewed but obviously not the thread for it.

It's the internet's turn, banning movies for the actions of nutjobs is so 1990's.

 

A bit off-topic, but I'm still curious...

Who was the naked guy arrested Thursday night in Boston (as shown on CNN) and what did he have to do with the case?

 

I was just hot:-o

 

So, did they water board you or water cool you? :-D

 

Nothing. He was just lucky enough to be in the wrong place and the wrong time, like those two 'bag men' on the front page of the New York Post

 

They water boarded me:cry I advise other people not to the US and run around naked just after a terrorist attack.

That's not what kind of freedom they mean:-D

Seriously though I'll have to google and find out what the deal is with this naked guy haha.

 

Apparently the police are/were stripping suspects naked and hauling them off to jail to make sure they're not wearing suicide vests, or at least that's what they ae telling the public, shame there are no female suspectsrolleyes:-D

20 years of rapid infiltration and arrest training finally coming to fruition.:-D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahwSmcZxBAU

 

ROFLMAO roflmao Just love that FBI video roflmao
Good one Rikky it made my day LOL

BTW I like thisthis one too LOL

 

This. And don't go hunting with Dick Cheny...:-D

 

I thought it was "Don't get 'hunted' by Dick Cheney"

I like these two Jay Leno quotes
"What a nightmare I had last night. I dreamed I was at a Washington party and I had to choose between Dick Cheney taking me on a hunting trip or Ted Kennedy driving me home." --Jay Leno LOL

"President Bush says he is standing behind the vice president. Way behind him." --Jay Leno LOL

 

Nope, it is don't get hunted by Obama. He uses those armed drones. Bit more effective than old Cheney and his shotgun.

 

From what the BBC are reporting over here in the UK the suspect is in serious but stable condition on a ventilator, heavily sedated and unable to speak. So for those of you worrying about feeding, clothing etc this guy you are also currently paying his medical bills.

There's also another interesting point going around here - this was the first major terrorist event to be "corwd-reported" and "crowd-investigated" through the internet, leading to lots of conflicting ideas based on blurry mobile phone videos and low-resolution pictures. Whilst this kind of information in the hands of trained investigators is useful, what has happened in the aftermath of this event is that "internet detectives" have made people more scared, and ending with them "identifying" the wrong man.

I am not accusing anyone here of anything like this, I am just warning people to be careful what they read on the internet, or in the media, and to be careful what conclusions you draw.

 

WHAT?! You telling me that everything in the interweb is not the truth? :-D

What I have seen on the news is he was shot in the throat and may not ever be able to speak if he survives. There are some legal questions about how they are going to charge him. If they charge him as an enemy combatant, they have (I think) just a couple of days to hold him. I don't know the legal aspect of it, but supposedly they had to release one terrorist in the past because of the way they charged him. He got off on a legal technicality.

Was bin laden's driver:

 

Interesting facts re Bin Laden's driver.

What I was "driving" (see what I did there? ) at was mainly don't jump to conclusions based on incident footage provided on the internet, as it is not the whole picture.

In the case of the Boston bombing "internet detectives" they pounced on one individual who went missing a couple of months ago and who they thought they could reasonably tie to the bombings. They then proceeded to circulate his details around the internet, including name and photograph. This was without the support of the police and without all the evidence. If this person was found by a person having these "facts" from the internet, a totally innocent person could have been lynched, beaten, shot, etc, causing more fallout from this terrible event.

tl;dr: don't get involved with internet detections, and actively try to stop them if they look like latching on to a person who may be innocent. Do, however, submit whatever evidence you have to the authorities for proper consideration.

 

Yes, the 'instant' information we get these days can make for some interesting situations. How can I put this... along with the media not verifying a lot of their stories, can add to the problem. The desire to break the story seems to override the need to report accurate facts.

Like the recent incident in Benghazi. For many days we were told it was a 'spontaneous' reaction to a YouTube video. When in fact, it was not.

On a little bit of a tangent, I have seen where the 2nd bomber is getting a lot of actual support on the Twitter... :confused

 

Oh, you mean the "He was corrupted by his dead brother" stuff? He chose to be corrupted if that is true. I don't have any sympathy for him. On the flip side though, I don't want to kill him. There has already been enough killing and injury from this terrible event. He should be tried, and the verdict and penalty (if he is found guilty) should be handed down so that he is removed as a danger to society (again if found guilty). This could (and in my opinion should) lead to him being incarcerated for the rest of his life. After all, we (when I say we, I mean the American taxpayer, which is actually you) spends a couple of million more on him to kill him rather than incarcerate him for life, and I think that money could be better spent supporting the victims.

It's long been the case that the media make large mistakes. Even in the Boston case there was wide reporting of incorrect "facts" because one journalist got it wrong and everyone else trusted this source or the sources they "stole" from.

 

If he is found guilty, I think he should be diagnosed as having lead deficiency. Easily remedied by a 230 grain injection of copper coated lead to the ocular cranial cavity. The heck with feeding and housing him.

But I am not in charge. :major

 

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/bombing-suspect-awake/2013/04/21/id/500607


Looks like he may live.

 

Fair enough. We all have different opinions on subjects like this and that is what makes the world great

Apparently according to the BBC, the US was informed by Russian Intelligence to look into the older brother. Whether this is true or not we may never know. My guess is the Russians want to have a crow that the US "brought this on themselves" by ignoring Russian intelligence, even if the US didn't ignore it.

 

According to other media sources, they never named the foreign government that requested that because it was classified.

All media sources suck.

 

According to this telegraph column the Russians gave a case file on the older brother to the FBI and asked them for more information. The FBI ignored them. The FBI have also admitted that they questioned the older brother years ago but found "nothing radical"

 

The official brief says foreign government. I still think it is just the media filling in the blanks and hoping they hit their mark.

http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/pr...-on-tamerlan-tsarnaev-from-foreign-government

 

OK so apparently I have this the wrong way round. The "foreign government" gave the file to the FBI, and then "went dark". It was the FBI that asked for more info and were not given it, but they did not follow up.

It many not have been officially announced, but it is logical to assume that it was Russia as the intelligence package was apparently based on a visit to the Russian Caucuses, and I doubt anyone else who was running surveillance in this region would risk their operatives undercover in a foreign country by providing an intelligence package to the FBI and then allowing them to release it.

 

Apparently he is awake and can write. http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/bombing-suspect-awake/2013/04/21/id/500607

 

Now we can get some "answers", which is probably going to be religious rhetoric which will further besmirch the name of a religion that actually asks for peace and love the same as Christianity.

He has already had two such injections elsewhere but apparently they only have localised effects.

 

If they hadn't killed a cop trying to escape I'm sure both of them would be in much better condition to answer questions.

It's pretty obvious they were both after suicide by cop.

 

VERY few survive a hit to the ocular cranial cavity. Especially with a 230 grain lead 'pill'. And if he were to survive the first, apply additional 'pills' as needed.


I see he will be tried in Federal court, not in a military court.

 

I don't class him as a soldier, and I can see why the US Government doesn't either. He is just some poor kid that has been brainwashed into believing that killing people to spread his religion is a good idea. But as I said earlier, he chose to be brainwashed, but this does not make him a soldier.

Besides, trying him in a federal court will probably be more open than a Court Martial and will be more of a deterrent to future activities.

 

He is a sick piece of trash. A zit on the arse of a pig. The poor kid is the 8 year old who this slime killed.

I think instead of shooting him, we should feed him live to a herd of pigs. Moose limbs love pork. :cool

 

Whatever we think of him on paper he is an American citizen with all the rights and freedoms that provides. If he was tried in military court it would set a frighting precedent that which could mean other American citizens could be.

IMO for anyone who believes in the constitution and the Bill of rights, this would be the time the champion those ideals because it's when they matter most. If those ideals are ever lost it will be due to something like this and there are always people ready to chip away at those rights with a hammer of good intentions.

I'm saying this as general statement not directed toward anyone.

 

This case has made me think. I am thinking along the lines of your post. The degree of the supposed crime should not effect the type of prosecution.

The only problem with this is for a citizen, Miranda says you don't have to say jack. In a military trial, we might be able to get more info from them. Think water boarding. As much as I want that information, I think Miranda should apply to citizens charged with crimes in the US.

It is not perfect, but one of the best systems.

I don't see any situation where this one will walk another day in freedom.

:major

Still down with feeding him to the hogs. After a fair trial.

 

I think it would be a good idea if at this point I put on my moderator's hat and reminded people that the HBT forum was closed for a reason.

It would be a good idea if, myself included, we scaled this discussion back a little bit from the level of discussing this person or how we would like to kill him.

I accept that everyone is entitled to their opinions, but we are a family forum and we should remember this.

 

Anyway, I do agree that he should be given all rights under the law and that includes the right to remain silent.

We have a good enough case to have this guy imprisoned for a few life sentences without possibility of parole without him talking. That should be enough in my opinion.

 

As Rikky more or less said, the question of whether the P.O.S. perp(s) should live/die; be tortured etc. is almost a Red herring. Terrorists don't just like killing innocent people to satisfy their rage, (although that's a part of it), they also want to intimidate the populace and remove OUR rights!
We have all seen this this happen after 9/11, with laws of fundamental rights, (which are for YOU, as well as the P.O.S. murderers), being either modified to suit, put on hold indefinitely, or just made into such a 'gray area ' that they can be interpreted by various authorities and Govts. in just about any way they wish. I've seen this happening in many areas of our life, not just Terrorism, (e.g. "health" issues). It makes me nervous and it should make you nervous too. ~ That's the bigger picture.