Jeez You Folks Are Quiet!

You will always be able to make a case for and against any substance.
Cocaine marijuana steroids all have a pro lobby but that does not detract from the fact they are illegal (steroids in the professional sports arena)
I am not saying that you do not have the right to put whatever you wish into your body just that the government have legislated against the substances for whatever reason they and their advisers have arrived at.

Just as a case in point here in Belgium any product that has codeine in it's make up even in the smallest quantity has to be prescribed by a doctor, even simple headache pills,so as you see some government legislation is made without proper research.

 

Seatbelt fines are not taxes. That would be a penalty/fine, cause you broke a law and got caught. Do you really want the gubment to control what you are allowed to eat?

As far as seat belt laws, I am against them. Even though I would wear mine anyway. I take it you are not a fan of nanny Bloomberg of NY huh? :-D

 

I am a fan of seatbelts (not airbags though). They are the reason I am here today:

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Been a fan of seat belts long before it was a law here. Saw a small Chevy S10 hit by a log truck. Cab of the truck was in great shape, unfortunately, the guy driving it was not wearing a seatbelt, and was ejected a goodly ways and did not survive.

 

Been a hectic summer, and cramming 60+ hours into one work week has it's downside. The upside is the bills are paid.

BTW, not a fan of "Nanny Bloomberg" myself. No matter how much you want to legislate moral behavior, freedom in the good ol' US of A means you have the right to be stupid should you so choose. I remember when you could only get a seat belt ticket if you were pulled over for some other infraction. Now, they can just pull you over for not wearing it. I also feel as the "Bionic Belgian" does. Bill is correct, and it should not be the substance which should be put to question, but the substance of the person which should be put to question.

Ahhhh, the slow derision of "freedom"...

 

yes, making me pay money for NOT wearing a seatbelt is a tax
Definition of TAX
1
: to assess or determine judicially the amount of (costs in a court action)
2
: to levy a tax on
3
obsolete : to enter (a name) in a list <there went out a decree…that all the world should be taxed — Luke 2:1(Authorized Version)>
4
: charge, accuse <taxed him with neglect of duty>; also : censure
5
: to make onerous and rigorous demands on <the job taxed her strength>



you want to call it a fine?
how is making me pay money for not doing an action different than making me pay a percentage of the income I make a year?
Or is that not a tax either?

I call it like it is, but Dont think I am against seatbelts,
I am not, i am against the tax on me when I dont wear them though


seatbelts are a great things, sure,
but making me pay money for anything is a tax or just a plain infringement on my right to life....the same as the government trying to fine me for what I cannot eat/drink. etc


as for bloomberg and trying to make laws against what I eat, etc......
it all comes back to being a kid and living under your parents roof

did your parents ever tell you that you had to do what they said solely because you were living under their roof?
I dont think people should have to listen to the government when it comes to things that won't affect other people, but when they get into car accidents and the taxpayers/government takes care of them because they have no insurance, then they better follow laws to reduce the severity of their injuries; ie seatbelts

I think the same applies to people being overweight, but I dont know of a direct connection to taxpayers/government paying to help people who are fat..
so the solution is not to prevent someone from eating/drinking/doing things that dont affect others but require tax payer money, what should be done is to stop colloding people.

Stop helping them, make them take care of themselves or make better choices
IE

Firefighters let home burn over $75 fee -- again
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2011/12/07/9272989-firefighters-let-home-burn-over-75-fee-again?lite
People in the city of South Fulton have fire protection, but those in the surrounding county do not unless they pay a $75 annual fee.

The city makes no exceptions

 

Let's first define tax vs fine.

As you gave no link to your quote, I will use mine.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tax

Now, when we buy gas, we pay a tax. If you speed, you may get caught and pay a fine. If you don't speed, you will not be charged the fine. But you still pay the gas tax the speeder pays, even if he or she is not caught. The fine is a penalty. In one way, taxes are a penalty, but not really. If you don't own a dog, you can't be fined for having your dog off it's leash if you live in a leash law area. So, equating a tax and a fine is not logical.

If you don't pay your bills on time, you may be charged a fine, not a tax.

Now we depart taxes vs fines and enter into the parental arena. For what reason, I don't know. If you live under their roof, do as they say, that is not a tax, it is reality.

 

Holy cow, that's a bad wreck! Those pictures are just insane. Most people don't survive something like that.

I always put on my seat belt when ever I get in someone's car. I'd rather be safe than sorry.

 

I was the sole survivor of two vehicles. Luckily I was alone. The child seat base buckled to the back seat literally broke and the car caught on fire. A passerby was able to pry my door open and get me out.

Ironic that we got onto the subject of seatbelts and wrecks. My wife took my car in yesterday to get the driver side window adjusted (heat kills window motors here), and they did a recall TSB on the brake switch.

She drove it a mile or so and the front brakes locked up and the traction control malfunctioned. Lucky she was able to pull into a gas station instead of wrecking.

They towed it back to the dealership

 

Been busy with vacations, fixing machines, and building my new one(having issues with it)

 

Yikes! Good thing she was able to pull over before something happened.

That reminds me, a bunch of us (about 15) took a road trip 4th of July weekend. We drove about 9-10 hours round trip with lots of stops in between.

The next day my friend told me after he dropped off the last two people, he was heading back to return the van and he realized he had to press the the brake pedal all the way to the floor just to get any any response from it at all. He was able to pull over in a parking lot and put the emergency brake on. It's scary to think what would have happened if the brakes had failed while we were on the highway instead of a local side street. :/

 

Since we are predictably off topc, here is a picture of my current wrap victim, an old Toyota truck used for shop errands. We have the driver's side wrapped, the hood and tailgate.

Not bad for a couple of CAC's in my opinion. :-D Sucker had a lot of primer before we wrapped it.

I just have to come up with a cool wrapper name now. :-D

 

Personally, I find things "going askew" to be not only informative, but even entertaining as well!!!!!!

 

There you go, using them big words....

:-D

 

Very nice.

 

Scary stuff.

 

Very nice is not a cool wrapper name.

:-D

Don't know what a good one is, but that ain't it. :-D

Doing the wraps is actually a lot of fun, might be a great revenue maker for me.

 

Snack Wrap.

Now that sounds like a cool wrap name...for a Mini Cooper.

 

LOL, I might just make Lil' Snack Wrapper my stage name. :-D

 

:-D

You need to sag with that name.

 

Why am I sagging? Or am I missing something? I am accepting applications for my posse. You have to bring your A game to hang with 'Lil Snack. :-D:-D

 

I got Doritos!

 

3.8L, 306 bhp (on 87 octane). Pretty strong engine, Hyundai is stepping up their game.
RWD, too:yum


The 2013 model has 343 with the same engine (with premium fuel), but I would have paid nearly 15k more than I did for this one. This one only had 39k miles on it.

I prefer small car payments and the car is only a few years old. Where I drive, its all highway or 30-40mph, so that extra 37HP doesn't really matter.

The only real drawback is that this is a 1st gen Genesis Coupe, so I have ALL the glitches.

Most of them are electronic. I am getting them sorted though.

 

WTF!? You installed windows on your car? NOOOOO! Don't you know you will have to restart your car at the worst possible time!? :-D:-D

 

A Fiat, eh?

We have Fiat 500s here.

 

Watch out, it might have an ejector seat. :-D

 

Hmm, can you install a 'Nix on it? Having that Windows button on the steering wheel would be a deal breaker for me. To many BSODS in my past. Of course many of those were caused by me overclocking, but it is easier to blame the OS. :-D

 

I would have to make a sticker to cover it up. Maybe the Staple's 'Easy' button. :-D

 

Could have a lot of fun with it if you could mod the sounds and such. Could really have fun with passengers if you had the right audio and could make it play it when you pressed the button.

 

I had a Spec-V, which was crumpled as you saw in the pictures. Oddly enough 2.4 and 2.5L engines are not very fuel efficient.

I get about 7-10 mpg better with a 3.8L V6 than the 2.5L that was in my Spec V.

 

Every four weeks?

Sheesh.

I drive 1,400 miles a month. I'm filling up every week.

 

You underclock your car? :cry

Just joking, with the price for gallon, or liter, so high, I don't blame you. Actually a pretty cool feature. If I could keep my right foot off the accelerator a little more, I would get better mileage. :-D

 

Hi i'm back, i made it through another operation.

I have a Toyota RAV4 2.2 litre that gives 48 mpg and that is city driving with a light right foot (no sprinting away from the stop lights) it will go up a little this month because my wife just can not get her head around the 6 speed gearbox and only uses 5 max (i am not allowed to drive for 6 weeks after my op.) and that is with the airco on all the time,if i shut that down it would probably do better.

 

Hey Bill a few of your capacitors needed swapping out again?:major

Nice to see you back

 

You obviously have not driven on the interstate with the special idots I have to share the road with... :-D

WB Bill!! :cool

 

A few repairs to the chassis,they took out some of the supports on my spine and put some new parts in a different part of the spine.
Hopefully this is the last op.

thanks for the welcome back guys.