Renting web server space?

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Spock96, Aug 29, 2013.

  1. Spock96

    Spock96 Major Geek 'Spocky'

    Wasn't quite sure where to post this so if that mods think it will fit better in another section feel free to move it.

    A friend of the family runs his own business and asked me if I could create a website for him, and he wanted me to look into how much it would cost to put the domain out there and maintain it. I'm completely in the dark on where to begin looking since I have never had experience with running a website. If anyone could at-least point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated. In the way of cost, where is better to host from, etc. So I can give him an informed answer.

    The actual building of the website I can do easily through Dreamweaver or even straight html/php code.

    Thanks,
    Spock96
     
  2. Goldenskull

    Goldenskull I can't follow the rules

    Well every thing depends on what state and country you are in.Some Range from 10$ to 100$ may be more.
     
  3. Spock96

    Spock96 Major Geek 'Spocky'

    Just out of curiosity, why would state matter?:confused
     
  4. Colemanguy

    Colemanguy MajorGeek

    It really doesn't.
     
  5. Goldenskull

    Goldenskull I can't follow the rules

    Some states have internet regulations.
     
  6. Goldenskull

    Goldenskull I can't follow the rules

  7. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Could you please link to some info on the limitations per US State as I would be very interested in knowing this info for later usage to advise others, as I was not aware there were limitations, apart from what you host has to be legal, and in the case of the OP here I guess that would be?

    Spock I have a domain and it costs $56AUS (yeah Australian dollars) per two years with private registration, the private registration just means someone doing a reveres lookup of an IP or Domain will get basic info, and not your full home address and phone number etc. This cost is just the web address/domain name, hosting is extra and comes with caveats.

    The Australian bit came from I had a free Microsoft hosted domain for years and when they shut it down I migrated to their chosen supplier and it was cheap and good support so I went with it, prices are a fudge as I need to convert $AUS to GBP but its priced ok for my needs. Plus their support is great


    Now onto you, the domain name should cost you similar to mine in a .com if its another .xyz then they are different prices, and in some cases you may wish to think of grabbing a few of them even if you never use them as for instance, you have a company that's unique in the market, why not corner say goodidea.com, goodidea.org, goodidea.net etc to stave off look a-likes.

    The hosting I'm ok with as a colleague has server space they gave to me freely, so bandwidth and space is no issue to me, but I have a small site. BUT you will need to factor this in, as in:

    Does the site have large images to show off products
    Do you have or envisage many visitors

    Then you may need more server space and larger bandwidth but you can change these if and when needed.

    For an example GoDaddy is not too bad you can get hosting and web templates for $5 a month (do check them out), but it depends if you wish to design your own site, I have used SharePoint in the past, ok but not great, but I tend to use, Microsoft Expression Web 4 but most web design apps are ok, and you can find many free templates online to get you started, just need to edit them to your needs.

    To be honest hosting a SME (Small/Medium Enterprise) these days is not expensive, you would just need to weigh up the profits you make vs the cost of hosting and maintaining a website.... if a small site to start with then the cost is easy to justify vs the profit you could make.

    Just need with a new website to get the web address out to potential customers in your area or wider if you do online ordering (online ordering and e-commerce will cost a little more but in some hosts packages they do add this option).

    Hope this helps a little, but any questions do ask as I'm willing to answer if I can, as I'm dealing with websites in work at present (not my damn job but...hey ask the geek he will know it.... HE DOES sadly).
     
  8. Spock96

    Spock96 Major Geek 'Spocky'

    Wow David, a lot of great info here.
    Essentially he wants it more for advertising since most of his work is agreed upon by a handshake, and it gets around by world of mouth.
    I completely forgot about GoDaddy, now is that just for purchasing domain names, or do they also do hosting?
    At this stage he just wants to know the relative price for everything so he can make an informed decision on whether or not to go ahead with this plan.

    I've also never heard of this. Could you link some info for me as well?
     
  9. joffa

    joffa Major Geek's Official Birthday Announcer

    Hey dudes I have several Go Daddy accounts plus I have setup about 12 accounts with domains for others and apart from their crappy user control panel and aggressive in your face advertising, I find them to be fantastic for the money.:cool
    Reliability wise never had an issue and I have been using them for over 10 years with several domains with hosting and also some with separate hosting only as the ppl already had a domain name.
    I now buy domains, SSL certificates and hosting from them and they are a fraction of the price any similar services cost in Australia.:cool

    The main company I work for has several Australian domains and Australian hosting and they pay about $1600/year hosting for 1.5Gb/month storage and 30Gb/month bandwidth whereas I pay $5.85/month and get 10Gb/month storage and 100Gb/month bandwidth plus I also get separate 1Gb mail storage included. For me I get more from Go Daddy for <$100/year than my employer gets from Melbourne IT for $1600/year. :cool

    My .com and .net domain names cost $135 for 10 years from Go Daddy (although cheaper now) and my employer paid over $900 for 10 years a while back but now you can get .com domains in Australia for about $500 for 10 years. My employer just registered another .com.au domain in July and it cost $320 for only 3 years and even though I suggested Go Daddy to save money, the CEO insists on doing all their business from within Australia and so is now paying through the nose.:confused

    I am not on Bob Parsons' payroll nor do I get any kickbacks from Go Daddy but must say all my dealings with them have been very good and when there has been a technical problem they have attended to it by email within 4 hours even on weekends. A year ago I had a problem with a new SSL certificate and when they realised they had made an issuing mistake offered an extra 5 years extension for free without me even mentioning compensation. Smart business ;)

    Oh and a big tip ..... unless you like lots of email unsubscribe from their newsletters and special offers notices as their level of self promotion is 11/10. rolleyes

    Hope this is some help :major
     
  10. Adrynalyne

    Adrynalyne Guest

    I use GoDaddy for hosting.
     
  11. Goldenskull

    Goldenskull I can't follow the rules

  12. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    None of those legally prohibit running a website or opening one.... think you need to really read up on what the WWW is and what legalities apply to the WWW.

    Take the DCMA for example from your 3rd weak link its a media prohibition at best for copyright infringement BUT NOT opening a website, can be if you host media you do not pay for BUT again not a general website.

    1st Link is Internet privacy and nothing to do with restrictions on creating a website!!

    2nd is filtering and again nothing to do with creating a website or what it promotes?!!

    SORRY but you have no clue as to what the internet and law is about! your tech advice is D- at best.
     
  13. Goldenskull

    Goldenskull I can't follow the rules

    Some of them do apply.

    But in any case your right i don't know much but i know enough.But in all honesty most of the laws really do not matter in most cases.All you are doing is either renting or buying a server.

    If you are renting let the owner of the server deal with the mess.If it breaks it is there problem to fix not yours if you are renting.Now if you are buying then it is your problem to fix any issue.

    In the end if you are just starting a business it's best to just rent for now till you make enough revenue.

    Like i said some places will rents servers monthly from 10$ to 100$ depending on how good of a quality you want per month.
     
  14. Spock96

    Spock96 Major Geek 'Spocky'

    Talked to another friend and he suggested 1and1.com for the domain, which is $7.99 starting for a one year subscription, then it looks like it's $14.99, which is not that bad, and using Google sites for the actual site itself.
    Has anyone had any experience with Google sites and a Domain name? Ex: If someone searches for this site using the Domain name, will the url change to the google.com/site....etc, or will it stay as the Domain name?

    I've had some limited experience with Google sites a few years ago, but nothing with a Domain name.
     
  15. Goldenskull

    Goldenskull I can't follow the rules

    I would rather go with a Google domain mainly be cause it is the most popular domain.

    I like it how Bing try's to compare it self to Google when Google has been around for longer.:-D

    That dumb tv commercial Bing v Google lol and that program on that laptop is all ready to made to win haha how desperate can bing get.
     
  16. Adrynalyne

    Adrynalyne Guest

    What is the site for? Google sites isn't recommended if it is to be a professional site.

    You will want a .com site relating to the business.
     
  17. Spock96

    Spock96 Major Geek 'Spocky'

    It's for my friend's business.
    Why arin't they recommended for professional sites?
     
  18. Adrynalyne

    Adrynalyne Guest

    The same reason why aol email addresses weren't considered professional on business cards years ago.

    Not having your own .com screams amateur and a business not willing to spend money to better itself, and instead looks for a quick precanned template/offering.

    Not to mention that a .com builds recognition, and unlike something like google sites, does not promote someone else and will never be in risk of changing unless the domain isn't held onto.

    Which is better?

    www.google.com/majorgeeks
    or
    majorgeeks.com?

    www.google.com/cnn
    or
    cnn.com?

    Which ones look more professional? Which ones look like they are promoting google? Which ones stick in your brain?
     
  19. Spock96

    Spock96 Major Geek 'Spocky'

    That's why I was going to suggest getting a domain from 1and1 and having it route everything to the Goggle site under that .com

    But, what would you suggest that I offer him in way of prices and info?
     

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