What percentage of IT spending should be for security?

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by PEBKAC, Aug 30, 2013.

  1. PEBKAC

    PEBKAC Private First Class

    An interesting question was posed to the team I work with... What percentage of IT spending should be for security? The thoughts of some of my fellow workers immediately went to searching the Internet for statistics provided by other companies (like Gartner). This revealed numbers anywhere from 5% to 10%. I'm wondering if this is something that can easily be calculated as a percentage because I'd imagine that the security posture of a company would depend very much on what type of business they are in, what is considered worth protecting, and how large the user base is. For example, a bank would probably spend a lot more on IT Security than a large factory that makes toilet seats--even if they have the same number of employees. I think a lot would also depend upon the size of the user base. In a bank, perhaps 95% of their people access banking systems and they may have a large online presence, whereas, in the case of the toilet seat factory, maybe only 10% of their staff access systems and their website is hosted by a service provider. A bank is going to want to protect all of its data. The toilet seat factory would most likely be concerned about some financials and, perhaps, protecting its designs and customer information from competitors. In such cases, are you comparing "apples to apples" if you look at how much each company is spending on IT Security? Does anyone have any comments on "how much IT budget should go to Security"? Does anyone agree that this may not be something that should be measured and compared in percentages across varying organizations?

    Thanks for any and all feedback!
     
  2. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi

    Great question and I think in part it would be a fluid answer as it would IMHO depend in what data you are securing?

    So for say my area which is Government and Medical Patient data, the costs in % could be high as in say 10%+ as the data is sensitive, so needs more closed networks and servers, for example, in the UK and for the dept of Gov I work for we have our own backbone network and servers, these are closed to the outside world, seriously quick fibre network. So will cost to setup and maintain.

    Hence why there is IT Server, IT Security, IT Data Protection, Main Network (not going to name it for obvious reasons) IT Engineering, Gov Oversight Teams, who all are not cheap to run for a whole country.

    So a finance company would be similar to above.


    But as you mention if a toilet seat company then you will have to protect less and even less depending on size of company, so maybe a small team can look after all of the stuff my IT depts. look after, so will be a sizable % less in yrly turnover to maintain.

    I agree with you the measurement is varied by a few core items, in what do you have to protect (how sensitive is it, or crucial business data), what size of your company, do you trade locally or globally and how much do you as a company wish to spend on protecting your assets,

    One big one is how much does a company think their data is worth protecting, I think in some cases the companies undervalue security.
     
  3. PEBKAC

    PEBKAC Private First Class

    Hi DavidGP. Thanks for the response! The bank and toilet seat factory examples were strictly hypothetical, to provide what I consider to be opposite ends of the business world spectrum. My context would be a healthcare related organization in the United States. We must abide by the guidelines set forth by the government in things like HIPPA and, in the case of some systems, PCI (for financial transactions). The question of "What percentage of IT spending should be for security?" is a question that was posed to my coworkers and me by our manager. Obtaining justification for staff and budget for the security team is frequently a hard sell to (upper) management. From an upper management or accounting perspective, I believe IT security is something that's viewed as "insurance" rather than something that provides any kind of "return on investment". It's the deep pit in every company that money is thrown into, with the hopes that nothing bad happens. Also, the many unknowns associated with changes in healthcare reform are causing many healthcare accounting departments to trim as much "unnecessary" spending as possible. (Incidentally, an equally valid question may be, "What percentage of IT staff should be for security?") Again, I don't know if either of these questions can have a strictly black and white answer. I'm looking for ideas on what things other companies take into consideration when building IT security into their yearly budget. I don't think it's as easy as saying, "This percentage of IT monies should be dedicated to security--nothing more and nothing less." How do other IT security professionals handle these conundrums within their own organizations when building budgets? I guess I'm really asking how other companies perform risk analysis and translate that into budget dollars.
     
  4. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hi PEBKAC

    I think I gleaned your hypotheticals from your post as just that, but added on them as they are good examples for those that may not know like you and me the pitfalls of security, and what it entails, all is not what it seams.

    Ahhh so you maybe in my area in Healthcare, so we can speak the same Americano/English ;) on this subject and its one I do face daily as not only do I work in a medical assessment clinic diagnosing patient, but in the main my work is research so data protection is paramount.

    I think the rationale in "throwing money at it in the hopes nothing happens" is a good one, as in heathcare we do not know, if like the UK, in the US you may have FOI (Freedom of Information requests, that anyone can do and see their records and what has been said).

    I thin the answer you are after is not clear cut and has to be based upon what the healthcare provider thinks the data is worth protecting, for ME and our Gov as our healthcare is public funded government in the main, then its a hot topic and priority and it should be IMHO, so I would personally say 20% of yearly gross is what should be spent on medical record keeping and data protection/security.

    I will give a brief outline of out security, for again obvious reasons, I will not go indepth, but we have layered approach, and it will be secure logon and a user will only via a smartcard/user/pass have access to specific data, and all electronic access is logged (you cannot surf Facebook without it being logged as to what you viewed and how long).

    SO if you view a medical record that you should not its logged and you will be asked why you needed to view such record.

    The medical records are electronically tagged out to a user and back in so traceability is there.

    Catch 22 as your damned if you do not and damned if you do in costs for something that may not happen, but do you take the risk.

    I again think that its a case of weighing up what you wish to protect vs what your business is worth, if protecting medical records or research IP is the main goal then costs need to be factored into the bottom line gross and net income.... you wish to protect your investment you pay more in IT security, you wish to scrimp on IT security, then you run the risk of others leaching your work, or in the medical industry, HUGE fines in data breaches.
     
  5. Rikky

    Rikky Wile E. Coyote - One of a kind

    The other aspect to security is accessibility, even if you spend a billion dollars securing your main frame all that money is wasted if people have to jump through hoops to access the information.

    So there's also productivity to take into consideration the more complex the security system the less time people have to do their job, also the more complex the security system the more it will fail.

    As a simple example if a paranoid local store owner paid for pentagon type security, 15 pin alpha numeric codes, chip and pin ID cards, retinal scan and fingerprint, encryption over network, storage encryption, Sandboxes. Could his business be functional or would he spend most of his time navigating the security system instead of price checking groceries? Something as simple as typing a password multiple times a day could noticeably lower productivity losing him customers so a balance has to be found.

    I'm by no means an expert on security just chipping in my two cents.
     
  6. Maxwell

    Maxwell Folgers

    The quantification of risk is the crux of the issue for Security and minimising those security risks and the risk appetite from business management drives the level of security required to achieve a compromise between minimising security risks and their costs. Thus costs and % expenditure on security is a function of minimising risks and their impacts together with risk appetite (i.e., gambling).

    A means of risk assessment (ISO 27005) and standardisation of Information Security can be found in ISO 27000 series related to the Information Security Managament Standard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_27000-series

    As Rikky mentioned, the system usability needs to be taken into account in the compromise and this too has a standard (see ISO 9241: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_9241), which in turn is a part of an overall IT quality standard (ISO 9126 - now superseded by ISO 25000 series: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_9126) - this includes security as a part of the overall standard.

    These standards are guidelines or checklists to assist in IT management rather than absolute

    I would like to touch on one point made by DavidDP, in that "you will be asked why you needed to view such record", would mean that the system is staffed by people to police it and in turn they themselves would need to be policed (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? and all that). This seems to suggest that there needs to be an army of security people comparable to the number of users of the system to verify and validate all the transactions. Clearly, this is impractical and a compromise to minimise the risks of less policing, low quality policing, etc. need to be taken into account, e.g., CRB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Records_Bureau), staff security assessments - which again needs staff and associated costs, etc.

    2 risks mentioned by DavidGP are Industrial Espionage and Divulging Personal Data.

    Also, security is not limited to the products or assets produced or maintained by a company, security of HR systems, payroll and other internal systems is required as well as physical security (guards, locks, etc., i.e., security is not limited to IT Security) for the companies sites.

    I don't feel that justice to the subject can be dealt with here by a simplicfication to a simple % costs since the whole subject of security (specifically IT security) is vast and many books are written. This is despite the CEO or business management typically wanting such a simplification.

    ---

    DavidGP, isn't UK IT Heathcare outsourced and does this include the risk assessment of different cultures managing the IT? That is, the off-shore culture may not be necessarily have the same interests as the UK/US, respect of personal data or indeed have the same security mindset and legal system.
     
  7. PEBKAC

    PEBKAC Private First Class

    Thanks for the useful links, Maxwell.

    ...This is confirms what I was thinking. When management says, "How much should we spend on IT Security?", there really are no easy answers other than... "Well, how much do you have?" ;)

    Thanks for all the feedback!
     
  8. brownizs

    brownizs MajorGeek

    There is no price you can place on security, due to it is more of education of the end users, and following policies by those who have access to the equipment. And of course never place all the eggs in one basket, and trust just one person with the access info to the equipment, have at least two maybe three people in IT that not one will have full access to everything, but all in the group should know the access info that the others have.

    Security is an evolving process, that always changes, and again education by those that are the gatekeepers, to stay on top of what is coming down the pipe, or even what is going on now should be the top priority.

    You will also find some end users within the organization that are good or better than the LAN coordinators that handle daily tasks, like password resets, fixing LAN problems, which those are also a good resource to listen to, in that they may have information that you may not be aware of, or also pay attention to what is going on in the IT world.

    As for the costs, never give management a low ball figure, or even too high, but educate those who cut the check, that you cannot place a price on security, and also educate them on the policies that will keep the organization from getting in trouble, by using checks and balances.

    I work for the State of Illinois, and every year we do a review of CompSec, and due to my unit handles medical info, we also have to review HIPAA.

    Of course the one bad habit that our two main LAN coordinators have in my office, is leaving the door to the server room, that also has the PBX unit and T1 equipment, wide open when they are either in there, or not. Worse thing you can ever do, and needs to be drilled into those who handle the equipment, to always secure the door when they are in the equipment room, or when leaving, never leave wide open to any employee to gain access to.
     

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