Man punches a woman at football game

Frankly, while I'm not about to get into the issue of violence, I will say that I'd rather hear both sides of the story before making any decision.

And chances are he'll face charges simply because he's been tried in the media already, regardless of the facts.

 

I've been thinking about this very subject recently and still can't really come to a conclusion?

Men and women are equal so should be treated equally but in a physical respect we are not equal on average men are 2-3 time stronger than women, our muscles contain a lot more fast twitch muscle fibres historically for hunting and fighting, we are also heavier, taller with a better reach.

With these facts in mind I would struggle to hit a woman unless I seriously feared for my life even though morally or philosophically I don't really have a problem with it because a woman who chooses to attack a man should also be weary of these facts and must personally assume that risk before doing so.

If I went to attack a 6'6 boxer and got my arse handed to me would anyone feel sorry for me? I doubt it.

For the record I've never hit a woman but I've been in situations where a woman has slapped me and I haven't retaliated 'nothing that seriously hurt me other than my pride', so have my brothers, in these situations though it's good if you have female friends who are good fighters

 

Ugly video.

I'm 58 years old and I've never hit a woman - probably never will.

 

I have seen women being hit in videos but not like that,The dude was drunk drunk drunk and most likely did not care.

 

Ugly video indeed Caliban. I am one day younger than you and sadly I hit a girl on the chin by accident when I was falling over at the ice skating rink many, many years ago I felt really bad about it because she also bit her tongue and it started bleeding. Darn that slippery ice :mad
I have never actually been in a physical fight and I think I am far too old to start now

@Laura I totally agree with your assessment in the original post. In this case I think the guy would be disadvantaged whether he fought back or not. Swinging out and attacking the woman gets him vilified and tried by media and not fighting back means the punching doesn't ease up and he cops a bigger beating. He still copped a couple after he hit the woman. There were no winners in this scuffle.

@Rikky nice, succinct analogy with the boxer and about taking responsibility for your actions and understanding the risks

 

I can not understand, why anyone would get physically.
Its an expression of stupidity! Unless of course you defending someone/yourself from getting physical aggression..

 

I would Rikky, I'd give that boxer a damn good finger wagging :-D

As for the video, well it's hard to see, the video only shows the end, the guy in question was being pulled away from what looks like someone on the floor, the woman comes out of the right and pushes? or punches? him and he cuff swings her, he didn't actually haul off and punch her, look at the swing. Not to mention the size of him he could have knocked her into the middle of next week if he wanted, but she barely flinched.

I have never struck a woman and would never, lke Rikky unless I absolutely had no choice.
This one here is too hard to judge since the video does not show the events that clearly caused the woman to attack the man.

Never strike a woman, but I would like to see the 10 seconds before this video starts.

Edit: Ok so I watched it on a larger format, at the start of the video you can see what looks like someones feet and people pulling the guy away. So I would deduce that some form of argument happened between the guy and whoever is on the ground. A scuffle then broke out by where the guy laid the other person out and the crowd pulled him off. I'm going to assume the person on the ground was male and the woman was maybe his girlfriend or sister or some such and retaliated for him. The big guy struck the woman possibly partly blinded by adrenaline and didn't realise it was a female, but more likely just to look at the grin on his face he is one of those bully types and in all likelihood was making fun of the guy on the ground and then it started.

So in conclusion I deduce he is at fault 99% since he was still trying to attack someone I assume he had already dropped to the floor. Prosecute away.... but in the same token, she DID attack him so she is also liable for prosecution.

 

Also I just read this guy has a bit of a history, served 3 years for stabbing and killing a lad in a fight when he was 17. Also several photo's of him all meant to make him look bad but if you are like me and able to read people pretty well, you can tell from his gestures and facial expressions that he is a fighter, not a lover. Still can't find anything to suggest how or why it started but I'm quite confident to go with the assumption that he was in the wrong for probably the whole incident.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...ly-punching-female-pats-fan-article-1.1491864

 

Sure they should. Against her, who started it. (We assume. I agree with Ned, I'd like to see what happened just before the video, that prompted the phone owner to start recording.)

Speaking from the perspective of a woman who likes to fight under controlled circumstances (sparring, martial arts practice, etc), if someone is dumb enough to pick a fight with another someone who is bigger and stronger than they are, it's their own fault when they hurt afterwards.

 

Well realistically speaking, as far as the conflict between him and the girl goes, she struck first. Which means as far as I know that she is the aggressor and he can claim self defense.
But something happened before, and I can't find anywhere that says what. And since there is a person on the ground I would say it was more serious than the single blow from both him and the girl.

I think they will both end up with charges, but his charge would not be for hitting her, it would be for what transpired before hand.

 

I think the media (and sometimes law enforcement) generally assume that, in an incident between a man and a women, it is the man who was responsible by default.

Unfortunately, I saw such a thing happen with the cops about 20 years ago. One of my best friends from college married a woman from Hell. Although she was shorter and smaller, she started putting Valium in his food and, once it took effect, proceeded to beat the s--t out of him on many occasions. He, however, was arrested more than once for defending himself.

It took the work of a private investigator to find the truth. The charges against him were finally dropped and charges were pressed against the now ex-wife.

 

She drugged him so she could beat the crap outta him? That's a special kind of insidiousness.

 

She is at fault for starting it, yes.

However, he's twice her size and I don't see any reason why he had to punch her. He could have held her at arms length, grabbed her arms, pushed her, turned around and walked away or called security?? I think they should both be brought up on assault charges if you ask me.

 

Here's a little more detail for y'all:

A Long Island bartender and the woman he punched in the face after Sunday's Jets game at MetLife Stadium were among four charged with assault and disorderly conduct, New Jersey State Police said Tuesday.


http://www.newsday.com/sports/footb...jets-game-2-others-charged-in-fight-1.6302555

 

I've always found that to be a twisted form of discrimination, to tell the truth.

For one, it assumes that women are weak, and by weak I mean wimps. Wusses. Squeamish. Incapable of rage and of acting on it, and so on. Which is flat out stupid. We all have it in us, women are just conditioned from birth to not ever let it out, (a debate for another time), but to assume that just because it never shows it isn't there, is ignorant and narrow minded.

Secondly, it condemns the man involved before he's even had a chance to plead his case, which is wrong and unfair on every level.

I demand the equal right to be abusive! :boxing

Wait, that didn't come out right... :-o

 

Back in the mid-'70s I helped give a multinational special weapons course at Ft. Devens - the Israeli contingent had two female soldiers who I would not wish to meet in a dark alley. Tough as nails.

 

Provoke some thought into what they wrote yes,
Did I have any negative intent, no.

As I recall both comments I responded to were based sex sexist concepts.
1 being never hit someone because of their sex. The other about the the need to protect someone solely because of her sex.
platitudes and cliches can be cute and can elict emotional responses, but not very useful in what should be a factual debate.

 

Never let it out? I think we went to school with some very different females. The majority of bullies I dealt with were female.

I have a feeling that like the school teacher on the bus, there's more to this video that's not being shown to make it seem one way instead of another.

 

You would think a bartender would have better people skills especially around drunk women?

In my experience when men get drunk they get emotional and start fights. Women are the same the only difference being they often target the opposite sex and more often than not the reason they are targeted is because of a bad joke or some perceived disrespectfulness.

And that's what I see in the video, the guy is laughing and backing away while the woman is launching an all out attack. I've done the same but never hit the woman just kept backing away until she was stopped.

I'll go into a little more detail about my story . The girls had had too much to drink and decided now was the time to bring up a story of a young lad who died or killed himself close to the pub. The girls start crying over a story, the death of someone they don't know and have never met.

I find this emotional outburst hilarious and do a few other guys in the party, for some reason I was picked on and a girl and her friend got angry and tried to slap and hit me for thinking they were being silly.

This was young people out having fun not a funeral or one of their family members.