"High Frame Rate" 3D movies

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by LauraR, Dec 16, 2013.

  1. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    So I went to see The Hobbit Desolation of Smaug today with a friend. I had the choice of three types of movie...your typical 2D, 3D, or High frame rate 3D. I had no idea what high frame rate 3D was and looked it up. There was an article I read with Peter Jackson saying this movie was best seen that way, so I figured 'okay, sounds good to me since I like new technology'.

    Omg!....big huge gigantic mistake.

    It was horrible. The characters were extremely life like....like home movie in high def life like...or like soap opera life like. In addition, I felt like I was in a video game.

    Has anyone else seen a movie using this technology???? Did you like it? I'd love to hear what others thought, but I have to say, my suggestion would be to stay away from it.
     
  2. Adrynalyne

    Adrynalyne Guest

    I can't see (literally) 3D in movies, so no.
     
  3. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    I have a girlfriend who can't go to 3D as well.

    Funny you should mention that. Peter Jackson also mentioned some people's issue with 3D and watching them. This apparently helps with that. Less jerkiness, or something like that.
     
  4. Adrynalyne

    Adrynalyne Guest

    Well, even with 3D glasses, it looks flat to me. So it is a complete waste to see anything in 3D.
     
  5. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    Ah...that's different than my friend's problem. It makes her feel sick watching it.

    Yeah, I wouldn't pay for it either if you don't get the effect.

    I love 3D. I'll never go to another of these though. I was just reading about it online. There's mixed reviews. One of the things people were talking about was that you can tell when the green screen is in the background. That was the weirdest thing...the characters looked like they were just stuck inside some weird place where they didn't quite fit.
     
  6. brownizs

    brownizs MajorGeek

    Nothing has changed. They are still 24fps. I thought that 3D died.
     
  7. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    Oh yeah...its changed. Its not 24fps...that's your normal 3D, which I love. The high frame rate is 48fps.
     
  8. joffa

    joffa Major Geek's Official Birthday Announcer

    3D doesn't work for me either as I am nearly blind (8%) in my right eye and can hardly see out of the other (16%) :( For 3D to have the best impact both your eyes need to be equally able to see, so you can get the best depth perception ;)

    My son has excellent eyesight and says that watching 3D movies is really immersive but he always winds up with a dull headache by the end of the movie, so he doesn't watch them any more :(

    @Laura I will mention about high frame rate 3D to my son and see if that also gives him a headache ;)

    Cheers
     
  9. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    I could see some people really liking this. Definitely let your son know about it...its much smoother. Here's the link to the article with Peter Jackson: http://variety.com/2013/film/news/peter-jackson-hobbit-3d-looks-1200941962/

    I never had that issue, so I think I'll stick to normal 3D.
     
  10. joffa

    joffa Major Geek's Official Birthday Announcer

    Thanks Laura I just spoke to my son and he thinks he gets the headaches because he notices the image flicker and sometimes blur although his girlfriend never notices the flickering or blurring. If what Peter Jackson says is true then high frame rate should fix my son's headache issue ;):cool

    Hmmm being in Australia we may get this new 3D technology in a few more years LOL

    The Hobbit 2 doesn't even open here until Boxing Day :(

    Cheers
     
  11. brownizs

    brownizs MajorGeek

    It is still 24fps. 24 for the left or upper, 24 for the right or lower. The Red cameras are the best of the best, but no matter what they do, they have surpassed what our eyes will be able to perceive from the output of the video or film.
     
  12. Adrynalyne

    Adrynalyne Guest

    Will you cut it out?

    It is not the traditional 24fps that you implied it was initially.

    It is accepted as 48fps, regardless of how it is calculated.

    So saying it is still 24fps is disingenuous.
     
  13. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    lol...sooo...have you or have you not seen a movie in high frame rate 3D?.... or did you come in just to impart that little tidbit, because frankly I could care less what 48fps means...the simple fact is, its different than the pure 24fps and I am trying to see if people have seen it and cared for it because I was highly disappointed. If you actually have seen it, I'd love to hear if you like it or not.

    Adrynalyne was posting the same time as me...so yes, exactly what he said as well.
     
  14. brownizs

    brownizs MajorGeek

    No, people need to pay attention to the tricks that they use in cimetography. Regardless what is being stated, films will always be 24fps, regardless if they are 2d 3d, 4d, whatever.

    Again, the whole 48fps is not making the film look better. It is as I have already stated,m24fps per eye, end of case.
     
  15. brownizs

    brownizs MajorGeek

    I along with hundreds of thousands others see 3d as a dead fad. It never took off from the beginning, and is dying a very quick death at this point.
     
  16. Adrynalyne

    Adrynalyne Guest


    So in other words, you came in here to argue and cause trouble. This was a thread about how people felt about it after seeing it, not arguing semantics.

    There is a word for this somewhere...what was it?

    Ah yes.

    Trolling.
     
  17. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    Have you, or have you not seen high frame rate 3D...specifically this one or others categorized as such ...such as the last Hobbit movie...regardless of your definition? If not, and you want to argue, stay out of my thread. Post again arguing with me in a thread asking whether you have seen it and I will delete your post and ban you.
     
  18. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    It's supposedly only in 812 theaters in the US, so who knows how many worldwide or if anyone is adopting this, but definitely something to look out for.

    Dec. 26 isn't that much later than ours, but that's surprising considering this particular film.
     
  19. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    Saying this, in a tech forum is rather strange. I admit, I am not up on the 3D stuff, do you still have to wear the goofy glasses?

    As far as films always being 24fps, I remember when a 256Kb drive was considered 'all you would ever need' for storage. Now days your toaster probably has that. :-D

    A little OT, but how was the movie? Worth the $ to go see it? Probably only have it in 1D where I am at. ;)
     
  20. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    psst...Fred...:duck



    You do still have to wear the glasses, yes, however they now look like cheap drugstore sunglasses as apposed to the paper ones that were hard to keep on.

    Actually the movie was great. I love all these movies. I want to go back and see it in the non-3D. The ending pretty much sucks, though. Did you see the first?
     
  21. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    I think so, the really long one?
     
  22. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    roflmao

    One of them.
     
  23. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    OK, saw one. Read the books. Very rarely go to the movies. Last 3 movies I have been to: 'Atlas Shrugged', the Star Wars with the ja ja binx thing, and the Matrix 2.

    About once every 6 years? :-D
     
  24. Rikky

    Rikky Wile E. Coyote - One of a kind

    The soap opera effect, that's common but you get used to it.

    When you get a newer TV with motion interpolation you get the same effect, the video doesn't look right, like it's cheaply shot on a home movie or soap opera but you get used to it and after that you will no longer be able to watch normal 24fps.I've been through this a lot since getting my first Sony Bravia TV.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_interpolation

    Apparently it's the way your brain interprets moving pictures, it constantly fills in gaps by predicting what smooth payback should look like while your watching 24fps, it essentially adds extra frames into the video so it looks smooth, one you start watching higher frame rates your brain forgets and the un-smooth frame rate is obvious.

    Interestingly it happens at higher frame rates, I also went through it when "Downgrading":-D From my crt to LCD, going from 120hz to 60hz but got used to it after a few weeks.

    Just takes while until it looks good, then you won't go back EDIT You'll look back on this thread in a year or so and laugh.
     
  25. rustysavage

    rustysavage Sergeant Major

    <snip>
    I imagine it's similar to the way our brains adjusted to the shaky camera technique that started with HBO's NYPD Blues ~20 years ago. Remember that? I had to lay down to watch it because it made me dizzy and nauseated. Now there are dozens of TV shows and hundreds of movies that use that technique and nobody even notices it anymore. Kids usually adapt extremely quickly to such radical visual aberrations because their brains have so much more plasticity than us old folks.
     
  26. Rikky

    Rikky Wile E. Coyote - One of a kind

    I haven't got used to that, that's why I refuse to watch any of the Bourne series:major

    There's was a massive influx of them when they realised you could hide the quality of the action with shaking, bourne I think was the newer model that added the shaking afterwards digitally with a super computer, could be wrong.
     
  27. rustysavage

    rustysavage Sergeant Major

    Yea, the Bourne series movies were just over the top in that regard. I'd always wondered how they created those effects and never considered the possibility that it all came to be in post production editing. You're probably right.
     
  28. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    Interesting. Thanks for that link, Rik.

    And here I thought I came up with that on my own...the whole looking like a soap opera thing. LOL

    I do have to say that it started to become less of a distraction to me as I got used to it. I still came out hating it but it was watchable.

    3D or 2D, I prefer the 'movie' grainier look to a realistic rendering like this was.
     
  29. Rikky

    Rikky Wile E. Coyote - One of a kind

    I wasn't arguing with you:-D Bourne was the only movie I've turned off because of it.

    NYPD was bad for that yeah, calmed down toward the end I caught a few episodes toward the end of the series and they were quite watchable.
     
  30. rustysavage

    rustysavage Sergeant Major

    Sorry man, I wasn't trying to hijack your thread. Just putting my 2 cents worth in.
     

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