Walter White is going to jail

http://billingsgazette.com/news/loc...cle_e5e37663-f610-55b3-9f90-e3b1c21bd9ec.html

Life imitating art.:-D

 

53yo
+nine years on a meth possession charge
+three-and-a-half years for a firearms conviction.
=
65.5yo Im sure he'll be a solid addition to society when he gets out

 

You may have missed the point; think "Breaking Bad".

 

Meth is a horrible thing. Ruins so many lives.

 

I agree about meth being bad.
http://www.drugpolicy.org/drug-facts/methamphetamine-facts

I think food is ranked up there also.
Food is worse though, overeating causes a person to feel badly/not accomplish as much. and the cost is a lot higher than Meth.
(not counting the "war on drugs" expense)_
Isnt this why we all want Free healthcare?

but the care of people who are overweight(rx, hospital stays/MDs/DO/RNs etc) and the effects on their job(we have all seen someone who moves too slow at their job because they are too wide:

I know that being the right weight is hard:
-people eat for every occasion/social setting
-food has many flavors that make people want more of it!

Being overweight give a person a/an:

Dementia- increased risk of dementia due to excess abdominal fat in midlife. [10]

Increased Inflammation- Fat cells, or adipose tissue in the literature, churn out cytokines, raising inflammation throughout your body, which is bad for the heart

Prostate cancer:Increased risk of prostate cancer [3] and other cancers. Researchers recently discovered that one reason this occurs is that one of the lipase enzymes that the body uses on stored fat actually turns on cancer cells into aggressive thrivers and growers. [13]

Other cancers: Obesity is powerfully linked with many types of cancer, including Esophagus, Pancreas, Colon/Rectum, Kidney, Thyroid and Gallbladder. [19]
3) Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev,2007,16:63-69
10) Neurology, Received August 15, 2007, Accepted December 14, 2007, "Central obesity and increased risk of dementia more than three decades later", R. A. Whitmer PhD, et. al
13) Cell, 8 January 2010, 140(1):49-61, "Monoacylglycerol Lipase Regulates a Fatty Acid Network that Promotes Cancer Pathogenesis
19) http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/obesity

OK that's enough about food, I'm hungry...hmmm white castles!

http://i.imgur.com/wSVZY.jpg

 

I don't want free health care. Free must mean some gubment paid doctors. I have been to the DMV and the USPS. Not beacons of customer service. :-D

$600 million for a website that don't work... That's all I got to say about that. :cool

 

Meh. I don't want Obamacare either.


How awesome is it that my current plan was canceled, and the closest to what I had is now DOUBLE the cost. Thanks Obama!

Way to look out for the middle class....

 

But, but they promised it would be more better and cheaper. :-D:-D

OK, I am staying away from a health care debate. :-D

 

No offense, but comparing a necessity, food, with a 'recreational' drug makes no sense. We have to eat some food to live, we require no meth to survive.

Recovery from bad eating habits is a lot easier than recovering from meth addiction.

 

Yes and no.
Yes, you need food
No, you don't need most of the food people buy
The extra food is bought because it makes them happy to eat it(increasing (dopamine)DA in the brain as what meth does)
plus stretching the stomach, etc, etc making a person feel full/happy.

This relation between drugs and food is easily seen with cigarettes/nicotine:
People stop using the DA-agonist nicotine and they gain weight, because they crave the DA stimulation
which is why when you a person smokes, they are usually skinny because they don't need the DA stimulation that food gives them to make them happy/etc

Easy/hard are poor terms to use because they are very abstract.


Let's focus on what we can measure.

Do you see a lot of non-fat, ex-methheads around the USA? Or do you see just a lot of obese people?


Last I checked, ~36%(1) of people are obese. Which makes me think overcoming "bad eating habits" is harder than recovering from meth.
Unless, ~41% of people are meth users?
but it's more like ~0.2%(2)
(1)http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html#Groups
(2)http://www.drugpolicy.org/drug-facts/methamphetamine-facts

No, food is not anywhere as near as powerful as meth/drugs. But to think that obesity is not caused by drugs/excitotoxins(flavor enhancers) is just silly
Food is made, not to provide us with the proper nutrition, but to make use repeat buyers.
Food industry strives to have every food reach the bliss point.
Bliss point--using salt/fat/sugar/chemicals to addict you to food
http://courses.bio.indiana.edu/L104-Bonner/F12/imagesF12/L8/BlissPoint.html





Meth makes a person happy just like food/booze/nicotine, so why is meth illegal?
Probably because:
1 Long term- unlike food, meth destroys the brain, making things that we pleasurable to you before meth NOT as pleasurable after prolonged meth use.

2. short term: a person feels SO good with meth,they would do anything to get it
You wouldnt sell yourself for a box of oreos, but you would for a hit of meth.

How drugs affect the brain(its a cartoon, no reading involved)
http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/addiction/drugs/mouse.html
Here's the reading
http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/addiction/drugs/

http://www.prettysexyweightloss.com/images/its-not-food-chemistry-experiment-child.jpg

 

Occam's razor
Ignoring the physiology and everything else.

You don't see a lot of meth heads as you do fat people because of access.
I can go to anywhere and buy food to get high and getting meth is riskier/more difficult,

Food may not be anywhere close to having the powerful punch drugs have, but if you have only had food, then you are reaching 100% of the power.

IE
You have never been to disneyworld, only Worlds of Fun.
So when you think of Fun, you think only with WoF as the scale, not disney.

 

Awesome! You quoted yourself. :-D Laughing because I have done that myself.

Some food is required, some meth is not required for life. Look at what meth can do to someone in say 3 years, vs what food can do. I would say you can recover much easier after a few years of eating bad food vs a few years of meth.

The former meth addict might eat better, cause they would have few teeth.

Meth after 3 years CBS style. "Side effects of using meth include paranoia, hallucinations and repetitive behavior, according to the Partnership for a Drug Free America. People can also have delusions of parasites or insects crawling under the skin which leads them to scratch themselves. Long-term use of meth, high dosages, or both can cause psychosis and paranoia. In some cases, it can even lead to stroke and death.

Rehabs.com, a nationwide directory of rehabilitation centers, compiled mug shots of methamphetamine addicts to show how the progression of drug abuse impacted their looks over a relatively short period of time.

Keep clicking to see the devastating effects.

Angelic at age 31 (left) and 34." http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/meths-devastating-effects-before-and-after/

Jared of Subway fame: http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/tv/subway.asp Won't let me quote from the article.

Comparing meth addiction and fat folks just don't make sense. Unless you want the gubment to regulate food, then you might have an argument.

 

Some of the things you come up with watchntv, amazes me.


Utter ridiculousness most of the time. You seem to thrive off of anecdotal evidence and then claim it as fact.

 

I wouldn't go so far as to say "food" is just as bad, but certainly the garbage they push as food as well as the bogus food pyramid is contributing to abysmal health conditions.

I changed my diet. I went BACK to animal fats and natural foods on a much higher scale of intake. Meats, eggs, fish, nuts, fruits. The occasional treat, which for me is stuff like pizza or candy. With NO exercise added to my routine of sitting on my *** for 8 hours cranking out C# -- In 47 days, I have lost 6 lbs.

I don't eat bread, pasta, anything labeled low-fat, non-fat, low-sugar/no-sugar and I can tell you with certainty that is has been the best change in my life in the past several years on the health front.

Today was a SHOCKING reminder of just how BAD that shit is for me in large doses. We had our office party. Full of breads, lasagna, you name it. Hell, I even made lesser evil desserts. I had about 10 pieces of broken bread for dipping, 2 (2x2) squares of lasagna, chicken wing dip x 10 chips and a few of my own desserts that I made. I was in bed tonight by 8pm and passed out cold for about an hour. I could barely keep awake in my chair while I was at work.

That's it.. I'm never doing that again.. I felt like I used to feel when I was eating that shit and I can remember feeling like that, but this time felt 10x worse. I was actually stunned that I lived and ate like I did and it's been less than 2 months.

 

But I LOVE bread!

My diet has been eating a ham sandwich no mayo on wheat bread 4 days a week, and fast food on Friday! 30, 60 or more grams of fat not consumed, over 1000 calories for a burger, fries and a drink... I drink water with lunch.

Today, boss bought fried catfish and such. Sweet tea and everything. Was good. Meth was not a condiment.

 

I love me some c#...


That said, I have a caloric intake of about 1300-1500 calories a day MAX and I am not a little guy. I don't eat fast food, and I eat a lot of fruit. I don't lose weight at all.

 

Understood. But the carbs you don't burn off immediately, go right to fat storage. Fats, on the other hand, get burned off for energy as part of a process. So while you don't get energy from them the quickest, you do get more of a sustained energy from them which also contributes to your body saying, "I don't need energy right now.. no need to eat". When you stuff your face full of carbs, whatever you don't burn goes to fat and your body goes into a "need more energy" fit when it's done processing the carbs.. so you shove more carbs in.

 

Thread drift can be fun.

 

Discussing meth topics with watchntv around is like waiting for a car wreck to happen. Thread drift was necessary here

 

You are not tweaking are you? :-D

 

That depends...I've been munching chocolate covered coffee beans while converting my website to ASP.NET :-D

I'm a little...awake...

 

LOL
I was thinking the same thing...as I posted the last post, I thought, "wtf is all this "stuff"...what the heck were we talkin' about?

but "anecdotal evidence", if you have anything specific to mention and I'll explain where the facts come from.
if you said that to "stir the pot" carryon:wave

 

When I posted and looked at what I posted,I wonder why people don't get high off meth instead of food....oh well food is easier to get, the effects arent as fast, not as dangerous. etc...but when I go to walmart and I see people trying to walk in their xxxl jeans, or being unable to properly move because of extra weight, I don't think they need to diet, I think they have deeper issues they must address before they can put down the fork

Yes, as I mentioned a few times drugs are more powerful than food(exponteially) thats why I made the comparison to WoF/disneyworld

What doesnt make sense? Oh you mean why do it? To explain why people with a BMI 40+ keep eating
You want a BMI <25
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22530540

I do want someone to regulate food
keep out the lead, transfats and other chemicals that would cause issues in short time.

Being aware of food(sugar/bliss point) and how that effects you is just knowledge a person can use.

Using the example of meth and its MOA to show how it affects people is something that I've found useful in my efforts to maintain a low bodyfat/BMI...I thought(for whatever reason, which now eludes me as I forgot what this thread was about!) it was useful info :wave

 

What drives me nuts is the word "carbohydrate", that just means sugar, right?
Different types of sugar; some long. some short, some digestible, some not
Adults don't need any to live. You dont ned meth, you don't need sugar.

I saw an episode of Dr Ox. He compared 2 diets, probiotic and low fat to see who lost the most weight.
who won?
whomever at the fewer calories

I very much agree with that line I bolded. Food companies add chemicals/other stuff to food to make up for the loss of taste due to lowfat/sugar.
pasta/bread is just sugar.

When My mom got the breast cancer-->lymphectomy, I (not her MD/RN/etc)explained due to the change in her lymph system(as she was constantly dealing with swelling of her arm) her drainages was not as efficient as it used to be and since fat is transported to the lymphatic ducts and would cause water(osmotic pressure,etc) to follow with it, she would have more swelling when she ate more fat. So she should stop eating fat.
She cut down to <10% fat in her diet and in part because obesity can lead to cancer, she also started working out(weights/walking on a treadmill I got her) and she dropped 45+lbs(weight watchers)

Now she and my dad eat a ton of veggies/daily, eggwhites,. some fish. when we have family get togethers she no longer eats much of the GOOD crap everyone else eats, she might have some, but she and i agree, what was once GOOD food is still good, sorta, but makes you feel like garbage

now I've said quite a few facts that might seem "anecdotal" but arent.

The one fact I am unsure of is why cruciferous vegetables make you feel good 30+minutes after eating them,

I don't mean a few bites of veggies, I put down pound+ (vitamix) of broccoli etc in a meal and about 30+ minutes later I feel pretty euphoric
I think it has to do with the facts cruciferous vegetables increase nitric oxide in the brain and that makes you feel good...I am not sure.
My parents eat 2pounds in a meal and agree with how it makes you feel good....they don't know why.

 

Mention some facts, and then I'll ask you to explain where they came from.

I've yet to see any?:confused

 

Yes, this is interesting
sugar isnt required for life either. Don't let the government pyrimid/tower fool you.
Your body can make ketones or you can get all the sugar you need from veggies/fruit
That is the cause of most of the health issues we have, because of food?
Or is it because of people using meth?

meth doesnt cause tooth loss directly
meth causes a loss of salivia, and you get more cavities
brush more and you won't get tooth loss, much as sugar causes cavities, cut down on sugar, a lot less plaque and few/no cavities
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meth_mouth

 

I have no idea what you read that caused you to say:

I'm not saying I know for 100% I am right, I'm just saying show me what you are referring to.

You dont want to do that, or you would have:-D

 

Correct, I don't feel like arguing with you and rather write code. However everyone here knows it is true

 

You sound exactly like my mom, especially in this post.
I would tell her to lose weight, write down what you eat, so you know how many calories you are eating.
She would always tell me, I have a list, I dont eat more, or less, I dont lose weight

She eventually went to weight watchers, where she was given 26pts a day to eat.
She would log her food, be told how many points it was and she would eat 26 points a day.
she lost weight.
its been 2 yrs, she at the the same weight(bmi ~23)
I asked her how does it?
she still uses the weight watchers 26 points.
IE she calorie counts(not really cause some food is 0 points, yet has calories)
point is(Finally)
You eat 1300-1500 calories/day, how do you know this? You log what you eat? eat the same food daily?

I'm assuming you want to change, if you are happy at your weight, disregard.


I just found it weird you said something nearly identical to what my mom always said

 

LOL
ok

gotcha
I'll take the win
:wave

 

You sound incredulous. Yes I do. Every day for the last 5 months, I have had a diet of oatmeal in the morning which comes to about ~120 calories, two bags of apples for lunch (90 cal x2), and then dinner (home-cooked, pasta is very rare, as is bread).

Dinner is the only variable, but when you eat so little calories beforehand, it is not hard to see that I don't eat over 1300-1500.

 

I guess, if you can find a winner in a one-man arse kicking contest :-D

 

Your brains' primary "diet" is fructose.. care to change your statement?

do it again with the same caloric intake. I'm actually eating MORE calories than before, but because my diet now spreads them out over the course of the day, I actually USE that energy instead of store it for fat.

Yep.. going back to animal fats in foods was a great choice!

obviously the laffer curve is in effect here. You can over-do ANYTHING. But if you maintain an eating pattern that is consistent with what we, as a specie, ate 50k years ago.. you would find animal fats were pretty high up on the chain. The cultivation and improvements in agriculture brought us grains. When "real food" was scarce, grains were a good source for "cheap" energy.

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I couldn't answer that question. I mostly stay away from veggies. Not a big fan.

 

Perhaps so but only because I had practically the same discussion with my mom for years.
-She ate the same food/calories for years
-never lost weight
-she was forced to log her food via weight watchers
-she lost weight

I'm not giving my opinions about if I believe you or not, I'd find the pointless as what I think doesn't matter, what matters are results.
Are you trying to lose weight?

 

about what?
I'm not saying I don't eat sugar, I just get my sugar from fruit(berries/apples) and fruit juices(pomegranate, cherry tart, cranberry) but also from whatever I get from the veggies
"Shakes
1. Tumeric
2, Tart Cherry Juice
3 Eggwhites
4 broccoli
5 spinach
6.teaspoon cacao
7. POM
8. 1 gram vitamin C
9 garlic bulbs
10 onion
So I'm not in ketosis from, but I def stay away from processed foods.

That's why I dont watch that show regularly, he did NOT say what calories people ate.

I'd believe that easily about you eating more calories, yet feeling good so you are more active.

I try to adhere to eating 2x a day and once a day once/twice a week. I think the "fasting" helps. maybe, it certainly keeps me concious about food and never being a fat kid again

fat is good, Im not a big fan of meat. HCAs/hidden fat, etc. But I'll eat it occasionally, b12 and all.

I've often heard, but don't know if it's a fact, that Egytians didnt have heart disease until they started farming...
I have no empirical eveidence, but Im a firm believe that are person is less suspectible to disease when they are leaner/low BMI then higher BMI/bodyfat%

I used to also, until I found the vitamix. I toss in all the greens, the garlic bulbs, the veggies, half a bag of fruit, add in some ceylon cinnamon(not cassia) and I end up with a NOT bad drink that I drink. (total time to make/eat 10 minutes)

I got the vitamix because i hated veggies and there was no way Id eat them, but since using the machine so much and feeling the effects of the veggies, I eat them by themselves also.

Am I still tempted by hot pockets, oreo cookies, rockyroad ice cream?
yes, I am...Im sure its because they made feel good pretty instantly and veggies take a while to have a subtle effect...not the same at all.

 

LOL
still posting about this?
I know its risky to say things to a MOD, but if I had a winning hand, I'd say READ'em and weep!
not
"Im too busy to show you what "facts" you think are facts, but aren't"

Im actually just curious about what I might have wrong.....one common theme I have in my posts is I'm very aware about how little I actually know and I'm always trying to absorb what's useful.

 

What did you get wrong?

Comparing food to meth. Downplaying the dangers of meth, claiming the body doesn't need sugar (don't confuse with processed sugars), and assuming that caloric intake management will always cause you to lose weight. I am a perfect example of the last one not being true all the time.

 

-I compared the reward system to meth/food, yes to show why people are obese.
-no, you dont need sugar/carbs, you dont need to take my word for it
check any biochemistry book(I use devlin), The Ketogenic Diet: A Treatment for Epilepsy, 3rd Edition/Freeman or Ketogenic Diet/mcdonald

--concerning you tracking calories and not being able to lose weight. I merely told a story of how my mom always said the same thing. If you burning more calories than you eat and yet don't lose weight, there are lots of things that could be looked at. I didnt go into those, I just told a story because it was eerie about the similarities.

Just off the top of my head it could be meds you take(if any), a low thyroid(unlikely), Or(long shot):
It could be like in the episode of malcolm in the middle, where husband Hal was sabotaging his wife's diet by putting sugar into all of her food because he liked her the way she was.
or you might just be violating the laws of thermodynamics, daily

 

Or maybe you are just a moron?

 

whoa!
Im sure I could not get away with calling you names:cool

I like the list you gave of topics you dont quite understand, as there was nothing on there that I got wrong or
"anecdotal evidence and then claim it as fact."

 

Your evidence of weight loss merely to caloric content: anecdotal

Your evidence that obesity is because of food giving the similar satisfaction as meth: anecdotal.

You claiming that I am somehow defying the laws of thermodynamics: Not even anecdotal, just pure bullcrap.

To be clear, I didn't call you a moron, but if you feel the shoe fits...

I said maybe you are. Kind of like you claiming I am defying the laws of thermodynamics...




But I don't expect much from someone who tried to force a thunderbolt connector into a USB port or asks advice in stalking waitresses. *Shrug*

 

you might be interested in this "factual" site
New Study Finds It Is Impossible To Lose Weight, No One Has Ever Done It, And Those Who Are Trying Should Give Up
News • Science & Technology • health • diet & weight • ISSUE 49•24 • Jun 10, 2013



According to a groundbreaking new study published Monday in the Journal Of The American Medical Association, it is impossible to lose weight, no one has ever lost a single pound of fat through diet or exercise, and those attempting to do so are advised to abandon their weight loss goals immediately.

The study, conducted by scientists at The National Weight Control Registry, determined conclusively that shedding excess weight has never occurred, changing your appearance is impossible, and that it actually feels “pretty nice” to just give up and realize that you’re powerless to alter your body mass index in any way, shape, or form.

“Our findings indicate that if you’re trying to lose weight, you will fail—and that’s because you can’t, no one has, and you need to stop trying because it will never happen,” said Dr. Rena Wing, lead author of the report. “You could work out every day and eat nothing, and you still wouldn’t lose an ounce. And the sooner you throw up your hands and make peace with that fact, the better off you’ll be.”



http://www.theonion.com/articles/ne...Marketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:NA:InFocus

 

isnt that the goal?
Why would I want I want to be a source of logic/information?

as is my motto

How do you know that my dimwitted inexperience isn't merely a subtle form of manipulation, used to lower people's expectations, thereby enhancing my ability to effectively manuever within any given situation?

:-D

 

Look again, I was comparing the reward system in the brain
You have nothing but plattitudes/cliches to toss at me, or incorrect retating what I said or youd quote something I said and say, SEE THIS IS WRONG
lol

of course, cause its documented all over how accurate people are at counting calories. LOL

poor apology, but Im just gonna stop posting in this thread cause I am not a MOD and talking to someone about weight is a bad idea
good day, ma'am

 

Come visit sometime, and you will find how much a ma'am, I am not.

 

All that needs to be said about watchntv is he/she considers The Onion to be a "factual site".

 

Why is that someone not you? I mean, you load your own fork... You want the gubment to regulate it? Gubment can't balance a checkbook, much less regulate healthy food. rolleyes

 

LOL
Read a little better

The quotes imply I dont think that way, but was making a joke toward Adrynalyne.
The Onion did have a fun article about gun control, where they replaced "gun control" with gorillas"

After seeing yet another deranged gorilla just burst into a public place and start killing people, I decided I need to make sure something like that never happens to me,” said 34-year-old Atlanta resident Nick Keller, shortly after purchasing a 350-pound mountain gorilla from his local gorilla store. “
http://www.theonion.com/articles/gorilla-sales-skyrocket-after-latest-gorilla-attac,30860/

 

:-D Im not asking them to regulate "healthy" food, just give me a heads up about what's in my food
transfats
msg
calories
lead
that sorta thing.

 

As I told you, I didnt know you werent a female.
My bad