Win9 - will MS understand what is needed?

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by DOA, Apr 29, 2014.

  1. Adrynalyne

    Adrynalyne Guest


    These are just preference complaints, nothing broken.

    1. Aero was fundamentally flawed in that it put an artificial strain on your GPU, and had to be disabled whenever running a full screen app due to performance issues. That is a bad design. As for the flat design, its not going away, even if i don't care for it either. Ubuntu went to it, Microsoft went to it, Apple went to it, Google is going to it. So to blame MS solely on this one? Not uh.

    2. It falls back to your last used live ID password that worked on that machine if not online. That is a non-issue.

    3. I'll give you that but from a consumer perspective its a non-issue. F8 "can" work to get you to recovery options, but only if you do not use an SSD (the window of opportunity is too short).

    4. It makes more sense than managing stuff like that from two places: msconfig and taskmgr. Msconfig is a tech tool and dangerous for the typical consumer to use. You can't break your OS (that a reboot won't fix) with taskmgr, and have access to what consumers would want to use msconfig for. I'm not sure what you mean fill the screen on startup. It doesn't come close to filling up my screen, and the default view is quite simple: a list of tasks with a end task button.

    5. Apple calls it by computer name which isn't useful either. I've yet to see a good solution to this from anyone.

    6. Which?

    7. There are no charms in Windows 8. These is a charms bar which few will use anyway because the features are easier to access via keyboard shortcut. A widget is a gadget is an app. This is true, they are all the same in the end. Blame patents for the radical swing in name changes between OSes.

    8. If you don't know the different ways, sure. Otherwise, its the same amount of clicks. It takes 3 clicks from a couple areas:

    a. start page > power button > shutdown
    b. alt-f4 from desktop > choose option > shutdown
     
  2. DOA

    DOA MG's Loki

    Our situations differ, perhaps broken is the wrong term, but these are causing or will cause problems.
    1) Losing Aero will break FRAPS. You can turn off Aero, although I know of noone that has done it. Aero is one of Win 7's best features IMHO.
    2) That non-issue has cost me a few hours looking up how to get around it. Once I found out and explained the office wants to know how much data MS is keeping on them. With Snowden in the news so much noone wants yet another database on them. Game Explorer was bad enough, failing when the internet is down or slow, but login fails? Try it, without a local account it does fail for me. Last password does not work.
    3) we run all SSD's or raided SSD's with a few Revodrives
    4) Pretty much agreed the more I think about it. In Win 7 fastest way to task manager for most is ctrl alt del which fills the screen
    5) actually Apple has the best solution to date for the user because they know the name of the computer, not so good for support perhaps
    6) 7) 8) opinions vary as does the problems they cause
     
  3. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    Technically 2 clicks for this one :):

    c. Right click Start button (Windows icon, or whatever its called) on your desktop screen > Cursor on Shut down or Sign out > click your choice.
     
  4. Phantom

    Phantom Brigadier Britches

    Press 'Off' button on keyboard => Computer turns off...0_o.
     
  5. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    I have to add and working in an environment in gov that does not embrace new tech easily or efficiently is that its not Windows that is broken as has been mentioned but the 3rd party apps, they are the ones that have not kept up.

    3rd Parties need to join the betas and keep up, I remember very well many where in the Windows 7 days invited to be part of the alpha days, they declined and stated that they will wait for final version, to me too late to the party.

    Windows 9 for me, keep stability of Windows 7/8 but make the GUI more user friendly, Metro ok, but folk not used to it sadly, its good and friendly for me and those I enlighten, but to some they are not used to it.... dunno what would be good for many as we are shifting to touch more, I love touch screens and we have a 60" wide in work in the meeting room, neat as hell, wish to run movie afternoon at some point, don't think I will get away with it, but worth a shot :)
     
  6. the mekanic

    the mekanic Major Mekanical Geek

    Two words:

    Customizable Shell
     
  7. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Great idea but not really going to happen as the likes of Apple, Microsoft, Google etc cannot judge individual taste to add the permutations needed for full customisation, could just say here is core kernel and have at it... but end users would baulk at that in the main, yes some core techies would love it, but the masses would not.


    Issue in the MAIN is too many permutations to have a stable base kernel OS, let the end user loose and all hell breaks loose :major

    I have had many a conversation with Microsoft programmers and leads on the GUI for many an area and its more vast that thought as the general GUI is broken down into areas, so one area I did deal with in the past (Win7 beta if memory serves) was to make the installation and management of fonts (yes that insignificant area) easier, I had ideas and designs on how to make them more user friendly, did they make Win 7/8 no, in part now, one thing did as in installation easier, but management NO.

    If you want to change things get involved, it will likely not happen but never know, have to be really persuasive and nibble at the programmers.
     
  8. DOA

    DOA MG's Loki

    When I worked for Apple we were given strict guidelines for what is better.
    The UI was tested for speed once learned, new user friendliness, extensibility (will it work for the next OS). Above all else you were not to do anything without communicating to the user.
    Windows changed all that, now we spend a lot of time in OSX and Win wondering if that click worked or if the program crashed when the program is actually working fine and neglecting to put the user as a priority. Adding features and selling them is the new mantra, even if they aren't of any value.

    "Customizable Shell" would be really good idea.

    Two things come to mind for UI suggestions. One is a "support" UI the tech can invoke to get a standard UI and invoke again to return to the user's custom UI. The other is to incrementally step up the UI customization available to the user. i.e MS should stop re-inventing the wheel and let users do it through evolution.
     
  9. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Hey DOA

    Apple comes close to great GUI but not close enough as OSX is a pita to use. I get frustrated with iOS to a hatred of the updates and UI, OSX is not that much better, TBH Windows is a pain at times but its more usable than OSX for "me" I say me as maybe I', not dealing with apple software daily.

    I agree DOA and inventing the wheel, a standard UI across all platforms would be good and then user changeable but within certain parameters , cosmetic only changes as core would be not so great for usability
     
  10. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Seems that a Public Technical Preview maybe due for release in around a month for Windows 9 (AKA Threshold), bare in mind this will be an early beta so likely to cause issues with some PC hardware drivers, software and general stability. Mileage to issues will be a per user/pc thing.
     
  11. Kestrel13!

    Kestrel13! Super Malware Fighter - Major Dilemma Staff Member

    I agree with Blather beard. I liked XP and I love Win7.

    Need to learn me some linux............. LOL
     
  12. DOA

    DOA MG's Loki

    DailyTech had an interesting comment
    "W7 was a big jump in terms of hardware support over XP (DX11, SSD TRIM, AVX, booting to +2TB discs, native 4k partition alignment, USB 3.0, Bluetooth +2.1, UDF 2.6, etc), but strip away the marketing BS & UI changes, and W8-9 vs W7 is ultimately about selling an OS with an integrated advertising billboard as per Google & Apple."
    Nice list of why 7 beats XP. Now I have to find a concise list of what 8 and 9 offer.
     

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