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I"ve become very interested in vitamin C
This is a video by suzanne humphries md(she's from sweden!_)
and she sums up why you need more vitamin C(few hundred mgs every hour)



or read about it here
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/stone/ch12-16/chap12-16.htm#C16

 

Vitamin C. I use it daily along with an anti-infective I take. The acidic part helps with the action of the medicine. Has been 500mg 3 times a day. My kidney doctor has now found high uric acid levels in my blood. And I did have some gout symptoms. Started a new drug for the gout. It discourages vitamin C in larger amounts. So my other prescribing doctor has allowed to cut out 1 daily dose.

All kinds of medical info on tv and internet. People should have a primary doctor at least to discuss and investigate the best course of action for their own health.

 

Vitamin C is really the one vitamin it's really hard to overdo. Too much vitamin A is toxic, too much of certain B vitamins can cause nerve damage, and too much vitamin D is toxic too.

Now, if you like to dip in the sauce now an then, a few of those vitamin C packets spaced out over the course of a few hours before a night of drinking can help. A lot.

Linus Pauling was a huge advocate of vitamin C. He also lived to be 93.

 

Yes, and died of prostate cancer, which is due to high estrogen more than anything else.

Pauling wrote, Vitamin C and The Common Cold which is easy to read or this site
http://nutritionreview.org/2013/04/collagen-connection/
or you can pretty much watch dr levy

 

vit C has a short half life and being water soluable, it's not going to be in the body long, 3 hours, maybe, depending how much you take.

if you watch the video in the 1st post, you'll see most other mammals make vit C via kidneys/glucose.

As it turns out, physical exams provide no real benefit if you don't have any actual symptoms of anything, according to the Department of Health and Human Services.http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/12/health/annual-physical-checkup-may-be-an-empty-ritual.html

http://www.cracked.com/article_18840_5-common-medical-procedures-that-secretly-arent-worth-it.html

 

that;s funnny! all the uses of VitC, i've never heard/thought of that...I wonder why that is!

 

Yeah I had no exams from 1987 till 2010 when my insides tried to take me out. I don't get many if any actual exams still. But I do allow for my blood and vitals to be checked out. A lot can be learned from your blood.

And I am thankful for doctors who know their trade. They do save people! And teach how to stay alive!

 

I discovered it quite by accident when I was younger. I noticed that if I snagged a guilty pleasure for lunch on a Friday (McD's chicken nuggets), I had less of a hangover. Reason being, is since I don't drink soda I would get the Hi-C orange, and since I don't like a lot of sugar I'd cut it in half with mineral water. That evolved into some experimentation with the packets. I'd use just enough water to dissolve the crystals and have one every other hour so it had time to spread out through the 'ol gut. Four or five doses tended to do the trick nicely.

May not work for everyone, but used to work for me. However, I engage in the best cure for a hangover these days, I don't drink anymore.

 

I take a 500mg vitamin C tablet everyday. I drink beer and smoke cigarettes (in moderation). It's been 10 years since I had flu and I have never had a flue injection.
Coincidence?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C

 

yes
and I do get a blood test yearly
check the lpa, testosterone/estrogen/A1c Crp

last time I was at the hospital was for a treadmill test, because I had been using 4-hour energy
turns out, 4 hour energy has a lot of issues surronding it
Officials are investigating several cases including 13 deaths that may be tied to 5-hour Energy products, the Food and Drug Administration confirmed on Wednesday.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fda-investigating-13-deaths-tied-to-5-hour-energy/

so that took me to pauling therapy/
http://nutritionreview.org/2013/04/collagen-connection/

dmso-
https://www.cancertutor.com/dmso/

-eating better

Dr. McDougall Webinar: The Dietary Treatment of Cancer

 

I'd take more vit C if I were you, 500mg every few hours, or at least with every cigarette

 

so your packets are hi-c drink packets?

I get vit C from purebulk http://purebulk.com/vitamin-c-ascorbic-acid-powder/
and just take a babyspoonful with water every few hours
OR
if I'm out, I take twinlab c-1000mg capsules, which are top capsules according to cosumerlabs.com


but it sounds like you are doing alright,, dont change what words, etc

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=109
Vitamin C is necessary to make certain neurotransmitters. These neurotransmitters are the signals that carry thoughts, feelings, and commands around our brains and throughout our nervous system.

In particular, we need vitamin C to produce serotonin, a hormone that plays a critical role in wide variety of body systems, including the nervous system, endocrine system, immune system, and digestive system. Many of our moods, daily bodily rhythms (including sleep-wake cycles), and experiences of stress and pain have serotonin included as a factor in their occurrence. Some of the most commonly used prescription medications for depression (SSRIs, or Selective Serotonin Reupdate Inhibitors) also target this hormone. While we are not suggesting that dietary intake of vitamin C will automatically improve the quality of any experiences described above, we do recommend that you include vitamin C-rich foods on a daily basis as part of your overall well-being.

 

No. They are regular packets. The experience with Hi-C orange piqued my curiosity, and the packet experiment was quite the success. Just enough water to dissolve the packets, and load up before a night on the town.

 

The New York Times also has articles showing research doctors against too much vitamin c. Radicals , free radicals , anti-oxidant or oxidant , DNA and others. The Mayo Clinic suggest you get enough from foods and it seems supplements don't act in the body the same as vitamins from food sources. One doctor in the NYT articles advises against DR. Paulings earlier thoughts. Seems there's always a point / counter point in medical fields. I'll still take mine on my Nephrologist's and Urologist's advice.

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/04/09/us/taking-too-much-vitamin-c-can-be-dangerous-study-finds.html

 

yeah, why?
vit C has a short half life,
and it's water soluable
so take a gram and water and in 2-3 hours, its gone

what really concinved me is that animals make their own vit C
cept some apes and giuna pigs

so when you give guinea pigs vitamin C and then disect them, they dont have CAD,.
dont give them vit C and later disect them, they have CAD

A most exciting paper by G.C. Willis (20) appeared in 1957 entitled "the Reversibility of Atherosclerosis." In this study atherosclerosis was induced in guinea pigs by depriving them of ascorbic acid. Some guinea pigs were then given large doses of ascorbic acid and it was found that in these animals the beginning atherosclerotic lesions were rapidly resorbed while the more advanced atherosclerotic plaques on the artery walls took longer. There was a steady decline in the incidence of the lesions in direct proportion to the duration of ascorbic acid therapy. The significance of these observations for man is tremendous -- they open the way to the megascorbic prophylaxis of atherosclerosis -- but they never were tested further.
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/stone/ch12-16/chap12-16.htm#C16


The vit C is not doing anything directly , BUT it is being used to form collagen, the most abundant protein in the body.
Without collagen the ground substance (intima) of the blood vessels becomes weak and watery, which in turn allows lipoprotein(a) cholesterol to penetrate the tissue to "patch" the blood vessels so that they do not rupture and kill you much sooner than a heart attack would. The process whereby the body utilizes cholesterol in this way in the absence of collagen through vitamin C deficiency is quite miraculous, and despite the bum rap that cholesterol has gotten for years as being the "cause" of heart disease, it is actually lifesaving.

http://www.hearttechnology.com/pauling_therapy.html

how much is too much> irrelevant since vit C is water solule



but too litle, well there you have major troubles

British scientists who took a three year journey to the South Pole, and packed nothing but biscuits, canned fat, cocoa, butter and sugar, which was supplemented by their horses when the starving time came. Despite the fact that it was almost 200 years after the cure for scurvy was discovered by one of their own damned countrymen, they were plum baffled when everyone got scurv

 

I love this thread, So informative. I don't take Vit C tablets also but, Now i know i should. Thanks!

 

Where are you at? Usa?
the USA food pyramid is just crap
I dont call pizza fast food either, but is Subway fast food?
I consider "fast food" stuff that comes with fries.
at my work, deskwork, I sit next to a fat girl and a skinny girl(23yo each)
the skinny girl smokes 2 packs a day and has a kid, the fat girl lives with a fat friend and has 4 big dogs(25+lb)
lunch at my job(30 mins)
I go to the "gym" and ride a bike or walk on a treadmill( I lift 3x a week elsewhere)
fat girl brings her lunch or goes out
skinny girl, constantly complains no money(the fat girl gives her soda money) goes out for fast food0
after lunch, the skinny girl will end up giving fat girl her left over fries.
fat girl tries so hard to be skinny girls friend..


the point being, YOU DON"T HAVE TO EAT 3-6 meals a day
Perhaps one of the longest standing dogmas in the weight loss and bodybuilding world is the absolute necessity of eating frequently for various reasons. Specific to weight loss, how many times have you heard something along the lines of “Eating 6 times per day stokes the metabolic fire.” or “You must eat 6 times per day to lose fat effectively.” or “Skipping even one meal per day will slow your metabolic rate and you’ll hoard fat.” Probably a lot

Well, guess what. The idea is primarily based on awful observational studies and direct research (where meal frequency is varied within the context of an identical number of calories under controlled conditions) says that it’s all basically nonsense. The basic premise came, essentially out of a misunderstanding of the thermic effect of food (TEF) also called dietary induced thermogenesis (DIT) which are the calories burned in processing of the food you eat.

While TEF differs for the different nutrients, on average it constitutes about 10% of a typical mixed diet (this varies between nutrients and slight differences may be seen with extreme variations in macronutrient intake). So every time you eat, your metabolic rate goes up a little bit due to TEF

Aha! Eat more frequently and metabolic rate goes up more, right? Because you’re stimulating TEF more often. Well, no. Here’s why:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/re...ency-and-energy-balance-research-review.html/


so you don't need 6 meals a day
I'm sure you've heard of IF, internment fasting....
The body will adapt to meal frequency but it often takes longer than that.
Ghrelin,---
Released primarily from the stomach, ghrelin goes to the brain where, predictable, there is a specific receptor. Among other functions, ghrelin raises levels of growth hormone. But that’s far from all.
Ghrelin also stimulates hunger (the only hormone so far found to do so) and appears to be a key hormone in initiating the hunger that goes along with meals; ghrelin drops prior to hunger and injection of ghrelin stimulates hunger specifically.

-- will become entrained to habitual meal times. IF you always eat at 10am, you will get hungry at 10am becuase of it. UNtil you stop eating at 10 am for a while and you will stop getting hungry at 10am. But it takes time.

so if you skip lunch, eventually you wont get hungry at lunch time

 

?? who the heck eats six meals a day. Never even heard of that.

 

body for life and other sites/diet plans
http://bodyforlife.com/library/meal-plans/content-sample-weekly-meal-plan

 

Taking 1 gram/1000mg of Vitamin C a day certainly wont harm anyone and may help those who smoke and drink alcohol because they deplete it quickly. Having a diet rich in foodstuffs that contain vitamin C is also essential.

But Vitamin D3 deficiency is much more closely associated in clinical trials with frequent colds and flu, bone thinning problems. About 70% of people in Europe, and especially other climates with less sun are shown in studies to be Vit D3 deficient at the times most needed - Autumn to Spring.
Apart from sun (even exposure to winter sun) there is no food stuff that will give even remotely needed amounts of Vit D3.
30-45 minutes bare arms, legs, face exposure to moderate sun will give the average Caucasian person a huge boost of Vit D3 - the darker a person's skin the more time in sun exposure is needed for the same result.
https://www.vitamindcouncil.org/
https://www.vitamindcouncil.org/about-vitamin-d/how-do-i-get-the-vitamin-d-my-body-needs/

The research around high doses of Vitamin C is complex and contradictory. For some actual illnesses studies show it to be useful, but at the same time high doses taken with no connection to an actual ill health problem are known to significantly 'oxidise' the system, and oxidative stress is known to cause illness because it reduces antioxidants and so causes immune system decline.

 

I've worn a 32" waist pants since 1981 so I don't go to many diet sites. I can't believe 6 meals a day!!

 

Understandably, but in the diet world it is how people think,
want strong bones? Drink milk!
is also how people think...but the truth shows high calcium foods are pretty bad for you, ala the book http://deathbycalcium.com/ and lecture

 

first off I'm not on board with the thought that vit C prevents/treats colds
I'm all about vit C for making collagen which the body needs and thus also lowers LpA and treats CAD

why more than 1 gram? simply because Vit C is water soluble and leaves the body after a few hours(short half life)
BUT
you will need more vit C if you smoke or drink(both increase production of free radicals which vit C will neutralize and get used up) you need more vit C

but you also need more if you have root canals/bad health
Dr. Thomas Levy on Calcium, Vitamin C and Root Canals

 

skinny is the way to be to avoid cancer./dz
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22530540

and then add in some vit C to make collagen
enough vit K for proper calcium metablism
low fat diet with lots of fruit/veggies/lean protien
and you are set

 

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links to study that shows vit C is bad?
Im not really sure what you are trying to say above

 

Calcium intake in a normal balanced diet wont result in excess. But anyone can overdose - even in food - in things that are high in certain vitamins. Eat too much offal (liver/kidney) and a person will develop toxic levels of iron. Eat too many selenium rich foods and it can be dangerous.
As far as calcium is concerned, it works alongside vitamin D and Magnesium for strong bones. The evidence is too substantial. Vitamin D3 alone does not get properly absorbed to good effect without those other vitamins.
Excess calcium in the blood is a medical condition and not an eating condition unless someone is literally living on a daily diet of massive amounts of calcium containing food.

As far as Vitamin C is concerned there is no need for it in amounts much above 1-2 grams a day, except to aid in the treatment of properly diagnosed illness, and anyone dosing themselves up with 6-8 grams a day of Vitamin C is a fool - wasting their money and risking problems because it is a pro-oxidant at high levels.

The rubbish spoken about 'low fat' diets is now well understood as most 'low fat' products are much higher in sugar content - the REAL KILLER! The aim now based on massive research is more clear - good quality saturated fats such as butter and coconut oil, and fish oils. Less hydrogenated and polyunsaturated fats.

Too much Vitamin K and the blood wont coagulate sufficiently adding to the risk of stroke from blood clots.

And 'skinny' is not the way to *any* kind of long term healthiness. Skinny white men have the highest risk of osteopenia and osteoporosis in men.
A healthy weight, low fat but high muscle, is the way to good health and not, ever 'skinny'.

 

Adverse effects of vitamin C.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C#Adverse_effects
I will not take more than 500 - 1000 mg per day.

 

LOL sorry bro, wrong
you want to share your reasons?

 

crap
I hit submit and my post vanished, here is it again

please look at the videos/links before you post,
the points you try to make are well made

calcium doesnt make stronger bones vit D does and vit K helps keep calcium out of soft tissue and in bones

yes, how much you need varies, 6grams might be sufficent for some, but def not all.

what are you basing your opinion on vit C on?
you did read the links/watch the videos above about aniamls that make grams of vit C/day? or the guinea pigs that don't make vit C are well studied ?
the science is sound, you need vit C to make collagen and collagen isthe most abundant protein in the body,. It is found in the bones, muscles, skin and tendons, where it forms a scaffold to provide strength
and recall, vit C is water soluble and doesnt hang around that long, a gram every 2-3 hours MIGHT be enough,

again, what are you basing your opinions on?
look at ornish/specturn diet
or worlds healtheist foods
High-fat diets are associated with increased risk of several serious medical conditions including obesity, cancer, and heart disease. Consequently, current public health recommendations emphasize the importance of reducing total fat intake to no more than 30% of total calories, or 60 grams of fat per day in an 1800 calorie diet. Tips for reducing fat intake include lowering intake of whole fat dairy products, red meats, and high-fat condiments. While most people can improve their health by reducing the total amount of fat in their diet, the consumption of fat by children under the age of two should not be restricted. In addition, adults reducing their total fat intake should still be careful to include adequate amount of specific, essential fats, particularly the omega 3 fatty acids.

this page has bunch of studies that tell a low fat diet does GOOD THINGGS
low fat, under 30% calories from fat, under 20% is better
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Ornish_Diet.aspx

you arent making sense
your comment is contradicting itself
vit K is needed to clot, so how is too much going to cause blood to not coagulate?
plus you arent giving any facts(which makes me suspect you dont know anything) how much vit K is too much?
the Japs get lots of vit K(grams) in their diet(Natto) while americans get MCG
and where does vit K come from? food that the standard american diet does not consist of vegggies.eggs, spinach/broccolli
oh and dr levy likes to talk about 3 nutrients that the more you take the less likely you're gonna die
1 magnessium
2 vit K
3 vit C
and he's right
Dietary intake of vitamin K is inversely associated with mortality risk.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24647393

I agree, being lean is better than being fat
but that's not the study, the study talks about BMI, which is most people(who don't workout) is useful, then being smaller is healthier than being bigso you dont know if the people measured had low bodyfat or high bodyfat

I just dont see many BIG and LEAN people, but I see lots of BIG people.

 

even skinny guys can have endothelial dysfunction

you smoke?

 

Are you saying all the studies are wrong, or my daily intake is wrong?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_C#Daily_requirements

 

For various reasons, I have been studying immune health and the great multiplicity of causes of ill health for the best part of 30 years. I do believe that, as well as emotional well-being and good sleep patterns, nutrition is key to both a strong immune system and good health. Most conventional doctors in general practice are verging on being ignorant when it comes to that, for obvious reasons - their academic and in-situ practical training doesn't remotely prepare them for that knowledge.
And yes, using supplements at certain times to boost health is important and needed. Vitamin D3 is probably the single most important supplement for people who don't get regular sufficient year-long exposure to sunlight, as there is no sufficient food source.
My own studies lead me to disagree with your links about Calcium and supplementing - for most people - with Vitamin K. Bone thinning (which doesn't necessarily lead to Osteoporosis) is multi-faceted, and there are many ways to prevent it, and to strengthen bones. Being 'skinny' is never ever one of them. Muscle is a great protector of bones and a great enhancer of immune health.
The 'fat is bad' rubbish is just that - utter rubbish. It is the type and quality of the fat that people consume, and not fat per se.
Sugar - all types but especially refined sugars - are 100s of times more dangerous for all the conditions you linked than fat per se. Sugar is a major player in heart disease, far more than any fat. The whole 'cholesterol' nonsense, and the dreadful statin drugs being pushed down the throats of virtually anyone over 45 is one of the biggest corrupt Pharmaceutical industry and Doctor partners crime in the last 20 years.

As far as Vitamin C is concerned it's not a cure all and there is no evidence to show that it is. There is good research and clinical studies that in certain actual illnesses its use in high doses has a beneficial role. But not generally, but stuff yourself with it if you like.

You see a lot of big people, ie OBESE people, because we have an epidemic of obesity in the west that has pushed smoking down the list. Most studies I have seen show that the most significant numbers of obese people eat a huge amount of crap, and they become ill and die because of that. 'Skinny' people get ill and die as a result of that too.

 

Im saying I don't know what you are saying
you are basically "debating"me by throwing a book at me.
no, vit C is needed in much higher than the RDA says
look here! see I'm right
www.google.com


when I give links as a reference to to show where I got my info
you arent
you are tellig to blindly go to a site, and try to figure out what you read and then respond to what I think you read
why dont you just tell me what you read?
you read the RDA for different ages/countries?
I dont know.
spefically tell me what you are reading

I realized, I totally have not mentioned the requirement of lysine/proline to go along with vit C

Linus Pauling specifically
recommended high, generally equal
oral doses of vitamin C and the amino acid lysine
between 5,000 and
6,000 mg in his Unified Theory lecture (available on video)
.
Anything
less, by definition, is not the Linus Pauling Therapy.
The extended protocol includes advice given by Linus
Pauling in his 1986 book,
How To Live Longer and Feel Better
.

http://practicingmedicinewithoutalicense.com/protocol/excerpt_chp7.pdf

 

Yeah I smoke. And consume alcohol. And eat red meats. And eat vegetables and fruit. And eat fish, seafood and the white meats. I also have high blood pressure when untreated, chronic kidney disease, and a few other problems with internal organs.
There are also things I avoid due to my CKD - limited cheese , no chocolate, less tomatoes, less potatoes unless boiled, no dark colas, some fruit is a no-no. I grow oranges but should only have a couple a week. Many other normal foods that I have to be careful with. I have to watch my consumption of phosphourus, calcium, potassium, magnesium, vitamin D. I have medicines to remove acidic substances from the body - vitamin C- and I have medicines that need the acidic content of vitamin C.

All said @ 59 yo I still work construction everyday and live a very normal life. Last dr. visit a week ago had bp 117/78 and ckd had changed from stage 4.2 to 3.6. Have no reason to expect anything to change.

I will continue to listen to the advice given by my health care professionals.

 

I concur, you need solid sleep, MDs are all about numbers and throw drugs at patients
Taught early on in medical school to use drugs

I agree, vit D is important, but vit C has pretty good importance

my opinion is based on a lot of what I've shown, aside from the books regarding calcium
have you watched that video/read the book? it seems not, it seems your opinion is based on nothing, (yeah you said "studying immune health for THIRTY YEARS, but have nothing you can show me to prove why pauling/levy are wrong? hmmk

wtf?
who is talking about cholestrol?
NOT ME
fat and cholestrol are NOT the same things,, 30 yrs of studing immune health and you dont know this?
here's a pic
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2008/fat_cholesterol_truth_e.jpg
and here's some text to help your research
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/a-primer-on-dietary-fats-part-1.html/

-no one here is saying it is
I am talking about one aspect of health with vit C, heart health, not getting plauques in your arteries

well, yes, like here
a man had swine flu and they gave him lypospheirc vit C(which is said to have a better way to saturate the body via its fat capsule) and he was healed


but I dont know about that, I'm talking about heart health, or I might delve into using DMSO

LOLZ down the list?
really?

I have said my point with most of these posts is to inform people of how vit C helps fight/prevent CAD by giving the body the substate to make collagen and not use lpa(lipoprotein a) ie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipoprotein(a)
Lipoprotein(a) is a lipoprotein subclass. Genetic studies and numerous epidemiologic studies have identified Lp(a) as a risk factor for atherosclerotic diseases


and while I agree obesity is a HUGE problem(get it?)
the cdc says CAD tops the list of what kills americans
Heart disease: 614,348
• Cancer: 591,699
• Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 147,101
• Accidents (unintentional injuries): 136,053
• Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 133,103
• Alzheimer's disease: 93,541
• Diabetes: 76,488
• Influenza and pneumonia: 55,227
• Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 48,146
• Intentional self-harm (suicide): 42,773
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm

so heart disease, cancer, and smoking

 

health care pros ?
me( in a few yrs) Dr. Hugh Riordan? dr tom levy?
the abundance of info out there?
oh, well you smoke. eat your HCAs
I bet you are a lean fellow, right? (leptin sensitive brain) and the nicotine stimulates the hypothalamus (increase DA) and kills hunger



Im never going to a nephrologist, but I share what I"ve learned(not in school) and I see/read nothing that makes me think I'm wrong about needing vit C for heath health

the 1st video talks about how animals make vit C, so am I wrong? maybe, but I'm not seeing anything to make me think that

good luck with your CKD

 

If you want something to keep your arteries in good shape, then apart from no smoking, eating a well-balanced diet high in veg, with only good fats, avoiding adding any sugar to anything, not drinking anything with added sugar, and taking regular moderate exercise, then:
1. Have a cup of Hibiscus tea first in the morning, infused for at least 15 minutes
2. Have a cup of Hawthorn tea in the afternoon, infused for at least 15 minutes
Both shown in clinical studies to both clean the arteries and lower high blood pressure!
Vit C will not do that.
But to be honest with you, the rest of your post has a touch of aggressive defensiveness I've seen so many times when someone has become a little evangelic in their views.

 

oh, well you smoke. eat your HCAs

So you're saying no meats? Or low temp cooked meats?

 

links to
love to see pubmed about Hibiscus or something, other than your word(Which is so evangelic) showing the MOA/what it does.

and no,
go look at post 15(I think) about the guinea pigs
which shows without vit C, they get clogged arteries, just like humans, but with vit C, they don't

and when it comes to lowering BP, eat your nitrates.
spinach/arugula/rhubarb as the nitrates provide the substate to make nitric oxide Via bacteria
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/90/1/1.full.pdf

 

Thanks, but it's not luck. Probably will die from old age before it gets me.

 

If you eat meats, you are KILLING poor animals! THINK OF THE ANIMALS
LOLZ
I did the big texan 72 oz steak challenge, so that is not what I'm about at alll

Problems with meats are
hormones
fat content
Hetro-cyclic amines
so solution?
lean meats and just marinate your meat......
AND eat veggies with meats

look more into the topic and you can find more sciencey stuff
a matter of fact, marinating meat in antioxidant-rich spice blends can reduce the risk of these heterocyclic amines (HCAs) forming by more than 80 percent.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/22/AR2008082201119.html
"If you are concerned about carcinogens, marinating a product, and this would be any kind of muscle food product, is a good way to dramatically reduce the formation of HCAs," said study author J. Scott Smith, a professor of food science at Kansas State University. His research was published in the current issue of theJournal of Food Science. "The marinades would have to be rich in spices," Smith added.

beer marinade?
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/07/19/grilled-meat-carcinogens.aspx


BTW< I dont go for mercola. BUT he has a good summary of pauling therapy
and there are many stories that talk about how pauling therapy works

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2001/03/28/linus-pauling.aspx

Linus Pauling claimed that specific non-toxic substances called Lp(a) binding inhibitors taken orally will prevent and may even dissolve existing atherosclerotic plaque build-ups.

This work is based on at least 2 Nobel Prizes in Medicine and the efforts of countless medical researchers. The theory and conclusions offered represent the final contribution of an American scientific giant.

The fact that you have not heard about this discovery in the mainstream media is disturbing. It speaks volumes about how powerful interests can somehow suppress vital information that would be detrimental to their financial interests.

In 1989, the eminent American scientist Linus Pauling and his associate Matthias Rath MD, unlocked a medical mystery.

They found the reason human beings suffer heart disease.

Then in 1991, Linus Pauling invented a non-prescription cure. The twice Nobel prize winning genius, chemist, and medical researcher made the strong (and so far unreported) claim that heart disease can be controlled, even cured, by a specific "mega-nutrient" therapy.

Heart patients using the Pauling Therapy routinely avoid angioplasty and open heart surgery. Not by lowering cholesterol, as the media would have us believe, but by attacking the root cause. Rapid recovery has been the rule, not the exception. Strangely, there are no known adverse side effects, yet the medical profession ignores Pauling and Rath.


Atherosclerotic plaques deposit in response to injury. This major finding led to the 1985 Brown-Goldstein Nobel prize in medicine. The confusion in the media is cause and effect. The fallacy is that cholesterol causes heart disease, but plaque build-ups are the effect of heart disease.

G. C. Willis, MD, made the crucial observation in the early 1950s. A Canadian doctor, he noticed that atherosclerotic plaques in his patients kept forming in the same places. Usually near the heart where the blood vessels are stretched and bent.

Willis was the first to implicate high blood pressures and the mechanical stress caused by the heart beat.

The Pauling and Rath theory relies on this observation that plaque does not form randomly throughout the blood stream. (Note: In a heart bypass, veins from the leg are used which are without plaque.) Accordingly, it is unlikely that the primary cause of the lesions leading to heart disease are "poisons" circulating in the blood.

What causes the stress fractures in the walls of blood vessels that leads to heart disease?

The Pauling/Rath unified theory blames a lack of a specific protein caused by a specific vitamin deficiency. Visualize a garden hose being continually stepped on 70-80 times per minute. A fate similar to the coronary arteries feeding the heart. Like the garden hose, the arteries lose their strength and stability over time from wear and tear.

According to Pauling, the atherosclerotic plaques of coronary heart disease form only after cracks or stress fractures appear. This healing process begins with one very important "sticky" form of cholesterol.

What is Lp(a) and why is it important?

Lipoprotein(a) "small a" or Lp(a) is a variant of the so called "bad" LDL cholesterol. Lp(a) is "sticky" substance in the blood that Pauling and Rath believe is the lipid that begins the process of forming atherosclerotic plaques in heart disease. The 1985 Nobel prize in medicine was awarded for the discovery of the cholesterol binding sites. The so-called Lysine Binding Sites. We now know that it is Lp(a) and not ordinary cholesterol which binds to form plaque.

Briefly, Lp(a) has lysine (and proline) receptors. You can think of a chemical receptor as a simple lock and key. Only one key (e.g. lysine) will fit into the lock (receptor on the Lp(a) molecule.) There may be multiple receptors on the molecule, but once they are all filled up with keys (lysine or proline) the Lp(a) molecule looses its ability to bind with any more "keys."

When all the Lp(a) locks have keys, Lp(a) will no longer be able to create plaque.

Once Linus Pauling learned that Lp(a) has receptors for lysine, he knew how to counter the atherosclerosis process chemically.

His invention, the Pauling Therapy, is to increase the concentration of this essential and non-toxic amino acid (and proline) in the blood serum.

Lysine and proline supplements increase the concentration of free lysine and proline in the blood. The higher the concentration of the free lysine (and proline) in the blood, the more likely it is that Lp(a) molecules will bind with this lysine, rather than the lysine strands that have been exposed by cracks in blood vessels, or the other lysine that has been attracted to the Lp(a) already attached to the blood vessel wall.

According to Pauling, a high concentration of free lysine can destroy existing plaques.

It is important to keep all this in perspective using the Pauling/Rath Unified theory. If you are not getting enough vitamin C to produce collagen, and your blood vessels are wearing down, then the Lp(a) plaque is of great benefit to you. Simply removing plaque without restoring the vein or artery to health is like tearing a scab off a wound. You do not want to remove the scab until after the tissue underneath has started healing. Your body needs sufficient vitamin C so your veins and arteries can heal.

The Unified Theory blames mechanical stresses (high blood pressures, stretching and bending, etc.) on the blood vessels for exposing lysine that Lp(a) is attracted to. This explains why plaque doesn't always form. Atherosclerosis is a healing process. Like a scab, plaques form after a lesion or injury to the blood vessel wall.

There is an awesome elegance that these binding inhibitors (vitamin C/lysine) are completely non-toxic.

They are also the basic building blocks of collagen. The unified theory blames poor collagen production for the entire problem of heart disease. Therefore, the Pauling Therapy not only melts plaque, but it attacks the root cause by stimulating the bodies' production of collagen.

With enough collagen, arteries remain strong and plaque free.

The Pauling and Rath theory postulates that the root cause of atherosclerotic plaque deposits is a chronic vitamin C deficiency which limits the collagen our bodies can make.

A surprising body of experimental research supports the Pauling/Rath view. Careful studies with animals that do not make their own endogenous vitamin C prove that when the dietary intake of the vitamin is low, collagen production is limited, and blood vessels tend to become thinner and weaker from wear and tear. Plaque deposits then form to compensate for this weakness. Such animals are rare.

Large population studies also support the view that increased vitamin C intake results in lower incidence of cardiovascular disease and lower death rates.

 

Again the things you suggest are not good for about 10% of people. 385 people on here right now so about 38-40 have ckd and should avoid what you're saying. For the rest -oh well. Eat what you want. And 20 grams of vitamin c a day. Go ahead.

 

Things that are okay and things to limit or avoid.

https://www.kidney.org/atoz/content/diningout

 

Eating veggies is not good for 10% of people?
and no, i did not say eat what you want and take 20grams vit C
remember the study about a low BMI?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22530540

you gotta be lean AND take vitC/proline/lysine to avoid CAD
vit K /MG as welll
Vit C is key, but it's also part of the big picture for health/

Im not a nephrologist and if you have special dietary needs or restrictions, you have to be aware of that
Im giving a general overview.

 

The Linus Pauling Institute recommends 200 mg of vitamin C per day.
http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com...ubled-says-Linus-Pauling-Institute-researcher

 

Im giving a general overview.

Yes - a general overview if everyone was the same and in a perfect situation. I see holes in recommendations only from 1 point of view. There could be other conditions people have that could poke holes in other recommendations. That why my first post said everyone should discuss with their own doctors.

Eating vegetables is not good for 10% of people?

Depends on the people and the vegetable. Look at my link. You can't give blanket statements for what's good in the diet. Many need better guidance on what is allowable and what to avoid or limit in their daily consumption of any liquids, food and or supplements.

 

LOL
yeah, so?
read his book
https://www.amazon.com/How-Live-Longer-Feel-Better/dp/0870710966
don't be foooled into thinking that's what Pauling says

Im not making this up from what I think or feel
I look at the science and the many anecdotal reports

http://www.paulingtherapy.com/

 

sure I can give generalizations
I dont look at links
if you got something to share, share it
use the links as a source to if interested a person can look at read more

Otherwise giving a link is just like, saying some "fact" then giving me a book
here, you'll see Im right when you read this

so I gotta look through a book, try to figure out what the heck you say and then respond to what I think you are referring to?
why not just say what you gotta say?