Health Stuff

Ever been to davita.com ?

Here's healthy food.

https://www.davita.com/recipes/index.cfm?gclid=CPut6L-dtc0CFYwkgQodeJsJjA

Plenty of options for a healthy diet.

 

I did not suggest that's what Pauling says or said.

Neither am I. I posted a link to what a Professor at the Linus Pauling Institute said.

 

You just said " read his book".

 

If the last two links I posted helps ten people have a better outcome then I'm proud to have posted.

 

I did, but I've told you everything to know....but your out of context remark was in response to
"well LPI Says 200mg a day!"

 

then why did you quote what LPI says?
or rather you didnt, you said it and gave a link
what "professor"? mmk professor X?

 

yeah ? nature made food is always a good option
that's just not how most Americans are eating!

unless, they are and they are just getting obese on broccoli

yesterday, I had a hankering for some paste and too late to want to make it myself. so Io was at the store and look at CANNED paste
(I get a case of bionature organic tomato sause bimonthly
http://www.images-iherb.com/l/BON-96801-2.jpg

but I was HUNGRY and wanted pasta
all the pasta either had meatballs and/or the sause was tomatoes and CHEESE

WTF?

so I skipped and had a bag of fruit(pinapople/peaches/bannas with salt and eggwhites and called it a day
https://www.stewartsmarketplace.com/image/product/59161/Campbells_SpaghettiOs_50th_Birthday_Pasta_In_Tomato_And_Cheese_Sauce/image/full.png?physical_location_key=0009

 

My comment on 20 grams a day was based on your first post of " a few hundred milligrams ever hour".

I don't care if normal healthy people eat all the vitamin c they want. Or any other vitamin, mineral, supplement they choose to eat.

A few hundred milligrams ever hour gets to be on the 'gram' scale pretty quick.

 

Professor Balz Frei, director of the Linus Pauling Institute.
http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com...ubled-says-Linus-Pauling-Institute-researcher
I cannot copy and paste anything from that site.

 

All of these things don't just affect americans. People are worldwide. In my sign up I said I adopted florida and they let me. Doesn't say where I'm from.

 

what post
this one?

yeah, well, ok? I'm not sure what point you are trying to make?

 

Peaches and bananas - two more things some people need to avoid.

 

yeah, I'm a fan of www.vitamincfoundation.org/
and they have issues with LPI
as shown in this thread
where they say :LPI is wrong
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12353

which the site has paulings name, but does not echo what his books/writings say to do

 

The very first post. A few hundred milligrams ever hour.

 

and 2 more things that are ok for most people...

 

what things?
the things i listed from the CDC?
yeah they might, but I only had numbers from americans

I dont come up with this stuff myself, I just read and parrot what I've read and try to learn something useful, so far no.

 

Really just about any canned or pre-processed food is not the best for consumption. Except maybe canned green beans.

 

I agree about canned food
high salt and BPA etc...-processed foods in general are good to avoid

 

You are capable of doing the same internet search as I am.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23333908
http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-527-hawthorn.aspx?activeingredientid=527
Now may I ask you to stop with the aggressive and abusive manner. I assumed this thread of yours was for a two way discussion and not 'agree with me or you're an idiot'. Sadly it is the 'I know best' attitude that permeates a lot of comment in complementary medicine that puts people off and drives them back to a pill prescribing doctor.

 

no idea what you are talking about
and calling me names? LOLZ tryig again to make up for your lack of material/knowledge by getting emotional?

why must you AGAIN, give a naked link without telling me what to get from that link?
you think i Have time to read the books you give me and guess what your point is?
make your point, use a link to show/cite your information I DONT HAVE TIME TO GUESS WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY

you arent giving any useful information in this thread

yes, a 2 way street, sure, but you realize I have a 2 time nobel prize winner on my side, (linus pauling) and other MDs like ;Dr levy.suzanne humphries, even Mercola and hordes of ancedotal evidence of people who have reversered CAD with paulings therapy
plus the sciennce.MOA of how pauling therapy works

and I"ve given yuo links to their books/easy to watch videos, which you have not read/watched
yeah, I am right, so? Im willing to listen to other information, but you arent giving that well, you are still stuck on "you dont need that much vit C" even though I've explained why you do
half life-
gets used up
-stress
-look at the guinea pig study, that says enough, when they only variable that is changed is giving them vit C! without it, they get CAD


I have neither the time nor inclination to read links to try to figure out what you are trying to say
you are obviously emotional about this and debaters don't get emotional

I can"t control other people's emotions or what offends them, if my posts drive someone to overeat, well, I can't control that nor do I care too.

 

Cool. I'll leave you to it. I've read and listened to all your links. It is most definitely not as black and white as you suggest. That's for a church pulpit, not a mature discussion.

 

LOLZ
so you have just been posting what you "feel" til now?
save your name calling and emotions for therapy not for a mature discussion.

 

Good luck with your last word of abuse. I'm sure you will have Linus Pauling screaming in his grave as you turn more and more people off alternative medicine.

 

eh? me good luck? I dont need luck, I'm sharing stuff I know and little 3yo is telling, me, "no, no no, I dont know anything, bur ur wrong"
LOLZ yeah, the adult acts like he is right, cos he is right

again,I still don't know wtf you are talking about ... Is English not your 1st language?

"last word of abuse"?

go look at post that has the survey that tells you can avoid most causes of mortality by not being fat
then look around(least in USA) and you'll see tons of people who are fat
do you think they know being fat is not healthy and going to lead to more cancer/higher mortality than not being fat?
people know stuff, they just dont do it
it's always "How can I get a job?" and not "How can I become the type of person employers want?" It's "How can I get pretty girls to like me?" instead of "How can I become the type of person that pretty girls like?" See, because that second one could very well require giving up many of your favorite hobbies and paying more attention to your appearance, and God knows what else. You might even have to change your personality.

"But why can't I find someone who just likes me for me?" you ask. The answer is because humans need things. The victim is bleeding, and all you can do is look down and complain that there aren't more gunshot wounds that just fix themselves?
http://forums.majorgeeks.com/index....make-you-a-better-person.304702/#post-1959752

 

good summmary of PT
Pauling Therapy for the Reversal of Heart Disease

1. Vitamin C: to bowel tolerance – as much as you can take without diarrhea. For most people this will be in the range of five to ten grams (5,000-10,000 mg.) each day. Spread this amount into two equal doses 12 hours apart. (Vitamin C prevents further cracking of the blood vessel wall – the beginning of the disease.)
2. L-Proline: 3 grams twice per day (acts to release lipoprotein(a) from plaque formation and prevent further deposition of same).
3. L-Lysine: 3 grams twice each day (acts to release lipoprotein(a) from plaque formation and prevent further deposition of same).
4. Co-enzyme Q10: 90-180 mg. twice per day (strengthens the heart muscle).
5. L-Carnitine: 3 grams twice per day (also strengthens the heart muscle).
6. Niacin: Decreases production of lipoprotein(a) in the liver. Inositol hexanicotinate is a form of niacin which gives less of a problem with flushing and therefore allows for larger therapeutic doses. Begin with 250 mg. at lunch, 500 mg. at dinner and 500 mg. at bedtime the first day; then increase gradually over a few days until you reach four grams per day, or the highest dose under four grams you can tolerate. Be sure to ask your doctor for liver enzyme level tests every two months or less to be sure your liver is able to handle the dose you are taking.
7. Vitamin E: 800-2400 IU per day. (Inhibits proliferation of smooth muscle cells in the walls of arteries undergoing the atherosclerotic changes

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http://nutritionreview.org/2013/04/collagen-connection/
Collagen Melts Plaque, Keeps Arteries Open
In addition to taking vitamin C to prevent atherosclerosis, Pauling recommended a combination of vitamin C and the amino acids lysine and proline to help remove existing plaque while strengthening weak and damaged arteries. As mentioned previously, the body produces collagen from lysine and proline. Pauling reasoned that by increasing concentrations of lysine and proline in the blood, Lp(a) molecules would bind with the free lysine, rather than with the lysine strands exposed by the cracks in blood vessels.

 

Ok...

 

Re-read what you posted below. It's not only completely unrelated to what I said about the dangers of being 'skinny', it's actually total mumbo jumbo.
Vitamin C is good and essential but Linus Pauling did NOT get his Nobel Prize for anything remotely connected with the use of Vitamin C. The Mayo Clinic revisited Paulings studies - in the use of high dose Vit C in CANCER patients - and found errors (that in general research are called 'faults') relating to the Vit C group and the 'Control' group, and found Pauling had used people at the EARLY stages of cancer in the Vit C group, who were NOT classified as 'terminal', whereas all in the 'Control' group were officially and independently diagnosed as 'terminal'. It was a similar piece of diversion used in the clinical trials of the drug 'AZT' both in the USA and Europe which - until exposed by people like Dr Joseph Sonnabend in the USA and Brian Dear in the UK - ending up killing about 80,000 people DEAD.
Your posts are sharing stuff you actually know nothing about and don't even remotely understand, and you garnish that with infantile teenage offensiveness. Let's put it this way, I wouldn't buy a second hand car from you, or vitamins either!

 

ESL?
go back and re-read
I never said pauling got his nobels for vit C
You don't adequately explain wtf you are talking about being skinny mumbo jumbo,,what are you trying to say.
I don't talk about vit C fighting anything by CAD, that's the MOA i know about, I'm not posting anything about Vit C fighting cancer, so you have not read that from me and are going way off topic, you are setting up a strawman only so you can knock it down, why? cause the topic I talk about vit C/CAD you can't fight cause I'm right
post i share? I merely parrot information, which is why I say something and post X so you can see where it came from
you arent reading or maybe you read but don't comphrend.,
I can help you with that, that's a personal problem.
good luck with that

 

yes but i always summarize or paste text so you know what to look for, what to get out of the link
I dont do what maxturner etc do and say something like

which is just not useful

 

I suggest you read again as you are clearly having simple English comprehension problems. My post you have responded to in a barely comprehensible reply, is perfectly clear. I now get the feeling I'm communicating with a solid brick wall.

 

well duh
I can only respond to the question I'm given
if you have a hard time stating your question so I can understand what you are looking for, I can only guess what you trying to say and I can be wrong in my answer.
why not restate your question and we can go from there.?

 

No. My posts are crystal clear. Either re-read them until you understand them, or just forget it.
There were no 'questions' involved and you mentioning that tells me you haven't got a clue.

 

ok if they werent that important, then Im not concerned about it
if you had questions, I'd be willing to help answer them
if you had a comment about why Pauling therapy is wrong to fight CAD, and you can't clearly restate it, ok,
otherwise, I'm going to believe pauling is correct over someone on the internet claiming otherwise and cant articulate his thoughts

 

Are you having difficulty reading?
There were no questions, there are no questions. There were posts that explain - in fantastically good English - my views and experience on 'health stuff' in the context of your original post.
You persist in ending every post with a piece of supremely ignorant dismissive comment. Stick to just doing what you feel is best for you and don't even pretend to want any discussion.

 

LOL U MAD BRO?
s
I'm done responding to you, waste of everyone's time
Your post are not clear, in fact, they are so UNCLEAR, you cannot even articulate why you disagree with Linus Pauling
none of this is my work, I'm just parroting what's worked for many other people and why the cholestrol theory of what causes CAD isnt quite right,
What I parrot helps many other people.
no one knows wtf you are saying, cept you whine like a little kid
Laterz

 

Sadly it is only you that doesn't understand what other people post. You have shown that in your replies to other posters, as well as me.
You are what I would call an obsessive fanatic.
Communicating with you is reminiscent of talking to a Jehovah's Witness - pointless!

 

not sure why i am entering the lion's den here, but the title said "health stuff", so here are my personal observations, while basically ignoring all prior posts so far...

like a couple of people in this thread, i smoke, and i am a moderate ( about a pack a day ) smoker of indonesian kretek cigarettes for close to 40 years. and i made an agreement with myself, very early, that i will smoke till the day i die. it's just something i enjoy and has nothing to do with addiction, though no one understands that since it is burned into our collective subconscious that it is an evil addiction.

to me, wellness and optimal health is just as much a state of mind as it is physical. it is different for each individual, and what works for one person might not have any effect on another person. some how, you have to figure out what your body needs and no one else can definitively tell you what that is. guidelines are just that, guidelines, a starting point that you need to adapt and adjust over time.

between my brothers and sisters, i have been bombarded, over the years, with all kinds of helpful health tips, from supplements to take, alternative therapies, homeopathic medicines, and the evils of drinking ordinary fruit juice ( go figure that one ).

what i decided to do, for me, is to seek out supplements and therapies that are described as "supporting and maintaining the general health and well being of one's body". there are so many different systems in the body, and they all have to work together if one is to achieve any semblance of wellness and optimal health, and that is a life long personal journey that only you can take. sure you can get guidance along the way, but it's still your choice, your journey. i've tried to listen to my body over the years, and adjust accordingly, and i rarely, if ever, discuss what i take with anyone, since i tend not to follow the guidelines, and i don't want my brothers and sisters in my face telling me that i'm nuts and doing it all wrong, because, from my point of view, it has worked out well.

toodles
harmless

 

not sure what you are suggesting here?
the problem with drinking fruit juice, is simple. its sugar and lacks fiber
Liquids tend to digest quickly (although fluids with protein and fat, such as milk, digest much more like food) and carbohydrate only drinks such as soda don’t release as many of the appetite blunting peptides during digestion as whole food (or milk which is a liquid whole food).

This makes the consumption of sugary drinks (fruit juice or soda) a major problem. People don’t compensate for intake and end up simply adding the massive amount of calories to their diet, which is often bad to begin with.

and then the "freshly squzzed juice" can be over a year old
"Ever wonder why every carton of natural, healthy, 100 per0cent, not-from-concentrate orange juice manages to taste exactly the same, yet ever so slightly different depending on the brand, despite containing no additives or preservatives whatsoever?

The process indeed starts with the oranges being squeezed, but that's the first and last normal step in the process. The juice is then immediately sealed in giant holding tanks and all the oxygen is removed. That allows the liquid to keep without spoiling for up to a year. That's why they can distribute it year-round, even when oranges aren't in season."


the biggest guideline you can follow is
DONT BE FAT
low bodyfat, is best