Men Have Been Getting It Too Cheap For Too Long!

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by MaxTurner, Oct 12, 2016.

  1. MaxTurner

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  2. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    Pretty silly. Men generally can live with one or two pairs of shoes, and usually don't give a rat's azz about hair products and makeup. Women, on the other hand, love to shop. Heck, go to a mall. I have not been to one in years, but as I recall, usually a couple of bookstores, maybe a cell phone store, Radio Shack, perhaps a sporting goods store. Almost every other store was either totally women's clothing, or might have a tiny 'men's department' in the back somewhere. Think that is an accident? :)

    But, any tax that is different for another sex or race buying the same item is certainly discrimination. What if a man was getting feminine products for his wife, or a woman was picking up products for a man?
     
  3. Just Playin

    Just Playin MajorGeek

    That tax would be the least of his issues.

    He would be saving money. How is that bad?
     
  4. Mimsy

    Mimsy Superior Imperial Queen of the MG Games Forum

  5. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek


    LOL, well, if you don't see the logical flaw, neither do I.
     
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  6. MaxTurner

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    I just thought it was very funny. Having said that I imagine it's the same in Manhattan as it is in any other big city. The idea that all men stick to a bar of soap and a dash of Old Spice is kind of old hat. Marketing over the years has changed that. Even in my local supermarket 'Mens Toiletries' take up half an isle!
     
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  7. MaxTurner

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  8. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    Wow Max, I had no idea guys were spending that much. Hmm, $15 or so a month for a haircut, Dial soap, anti-perperant, hair gel. Maybe I spend $25 a month?

    LOL, just thinking about some of my friends walking around the hunting camp in face cream is funny, and also extremely disturbing. o_O And the store I shop at has a very tiny section with men's stuff mixed in with the health and beauty stuff. Maybe 1/8'th of an isle.
     
  9. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    I would imagine that tax by that store, if it wasn't a joke, isn't there anymore since it's illegal. But pretty funny actually since the joke is definitely on the women and we feed into all the marketing hype and bs on products somehow turning back time...including me.

    I looked at those links that Max posted and I don't buy it that men spend the same. Maybe the really wealthy celebrity guys, but I don't know any, including my husband, who definitely shops differently than Fred :)D) and wears hair gel (albeit the $5 variety that probably lasts him months).

    Here's a cute video:

     
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  10. MaxTurner

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    The thing is many men do spend a lot more now than they ever did. If they didn't then who is buying all the stuff?? lol
    It's very big business but I'm sure that people living in less metropolitan areas wont notice it as much.
    Obviously, some men don't but more and more do.
    Go to any city in Italy, or Spain or France and men alone are a walking fashion parade and London is very much like that now. You don't spend a fortune on Hugo Boss, Versace, John Richmond or D&G and not spend a good bit on grooming products too. And its fairly ordinary middle class guys that buy all that stuff. Men go to spas and beauty parlours now in very big numbers and people who only think it's men who are 'friends of Dorothy' would be very surprised. Celebs like David Beckham and many others all advertise clothes and beauty products for men.
     
  11. Imandy Mann

    Imandy Mann MajorGeekolicious

    My wife and I spend very little on this stuff. She wears no makeup.(and neither do I) Pharmacies to us are for insurance covered scripts only. Everything else is cheaper and with more variety elsewhere. But even then; toothpaste, mouthwash, soap, deodorant, q-tips are about as fancy as it gets. And these items are gender neutral. These companies must have to sell to 100,000's to see a profit. I don't understand how some companies make money on certain items.
     
  12. Mimsy

    Mimsy Superior Imperial Queen of the MG Games Forum

    I wouldn't mind seeing a lot of the men I see in the streets and at work every day, take some more care with their appearance and personal grooming than they seem to do, and if that requires purchasing a lot of styling and beauty products I'm fine with that.

    Though I could be mistaken and they actually do spend a lot of time on their appearance, and they genuinely believe that "unshaven slob" is a sexy look for them? :rolleyes:

    Who the **** spends $36 on a concealer? :eek:

    I have a highest level VIP card to Sephora, and I don't spend that much!
     
  13. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    :oops: I don't even want to say what I spend for makeup. I don't wear concealer though, so there's that.
     
  14. Mimsy

    Mimsy Superior Imperial Queen of the MG Games Forum

    Make-up lasts for a really long time though. It's the hair products that really get you.

    I've already admitted to $1,000 a year... how bad can it be? :p
     
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  15. Eldon

    Eldon Major Geek Extraordinaire

    I pay less than $4.00 at a salon.
    Last month I bought a 400ml bottle of Dove Men +Care Body and face wash (it's also great for my hair) for less than $3.00.
    :eek: I'm crying into my beer... which cost less than $13.00 for a case - 12 x 750ml.
     
  16. MaxTurner

    MaxTurner Banned

    Yes getting stuff when it's on offer is the best way, and buy enough until it's on offer again in a few months which is pretty common here.
    I don't have to go to a barbers anymore and just use my own hair trimmer.
    But just as an aside, when I was a child my Mum, my Dad and sometimes my older brother used to take me to a Barber shop near to where we lived, and I continued going there until late teens when I moved. I was always intrigued by the guy who we always went to, he was very helpful, jet black hair and looked maybe Mexican or Filipino. Anyway, this was a VERY LONG time ago - we are talking over 50 years when I first went there.
    About two weeks ago I was in that area and had to pass that Barber's to go to another shop and blow me down with a feather but the very same barber was there! I couldn't believe it. I still recognised him despite the time lapse and he looked exceptionally well for a man who simply must be in his late 70s, if not 80! I popped in to say hello and tell him how good it was to see him still working and looking so well. A wonderful childhood memory.

     
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  17. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    I can see past the really go free advertising that that chain has done, highlight a major issue and spin it around, great marketing TBH, but highlights a serious issue and one dogged in the EU mire on "tampon tax" women pay a tax for just normal life whereas men dont, we dont need these products and products we need like shavers are taxes same as female shavers, personally the EU and other nations as the new UK should do is 0% tax these products, we do for kids stuff and certain biscuits (none chocolate as oooooh devils chocolate is taxable).

    Max loved your barber story, its great how we remember childhood things and as you say if same folk are running such establishments awesome, I go to a barbers which is different as one of the barbers she opened her own nearer to me, but its continuity, walk in and she or the other barbers know what I want without asking, superb customer service. Do you feel Max that this is lacking in the main or just big chains over small family run's?
     
  18. MaxTurner

    MaxTurner Banned

    Yes David, independent shops and small chains are losing out in places - cities and towns - where redevelopment is causing rent/leases to go up by massive amounts. Places in London like Vauxhall and Brixton are seeing independents shut down because of redevelopment resulting in 150-200% increases in rent and leases.
     
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  19. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Sad to see as I think the larger chains in the main, ok have a few staff that give above and beyond, but majority are impersonal I think which is sad? I try in work in my clinic to think of patients I see in the ilk of they are my parents so treat them as such as I tend to see patients at are 70yrs+ so that little respect goes along way, nearly cried this week when the wife of a patient when I told them better news that they thought, just cataracts over neovascular AMD, she said can I hug you..... OMG so nice and why I love what I do.

    See the same where I visit a lot in City Road as I know you will know area well, that rents and small outlets are squeezed out, nice area but can it go too expensive, I know Moorfields Eye Hospital I work at on occasion is thinking of moving and selling building as may be financially best move. Thought of moving and working in London a few times and cost has put me off.
     
  20. MaxTurner

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    Yes I'm sure Moorfields is sitting on a real estate gold mine. But Moorfields is so very convenient with excellent transport links for people, and it's slap bang in the middle of an area with people much more prone to illnesses generally, and especially eye health.
    When an area gets redeveloped - which is happening all the time in London - the land freeholders (in Brixton and Vauxhall it's actually Network Rail) - want high paying tenants/leaseholders like Nandos, Sainsburys, Costa, Starbucks etc.
    In Hackney most of Morning Lane has been redeveloped as 'Hackney Fashion Walk' a 'luxury fashion outlet district'. It already had Burberry's from decades ago but now it's designer labels a go go and rebuilding on land by the railway arches now accommodate Nike, Joseph, Aquascutum, Bally, Gieves and Hawke, Pringle and many more. Of course, the council does well from rates, and as a magnet for tourists the money does flow in. But the resulting cafes and restaurants alongside this are naturally a bit high end excluding most people on minimum wage or even people on a bit more, of which a big percentage of residents are.
    Of course, moving to London anyone faces the single biggest problem, which is accommodation, living space, which is now so expensive it's off the scale. Private rents are verging on the ridiculous and buying is impossible for anyone without a seriously large amount of money to put down. Even someone, or a couple, on a gross income of £100,000 per year would be unlikely to get a mortgage for a 2 bedroom apartment unless they had a very big deposit. It's that bad.
     
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  21. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Indeed Moorfields is in a prime location as City Road is so central, its well known but also has satellite sites around London, will be meeting with folk from MF in Nov so will know more then as we collaborate a lot. Building when you are inside does need renovating a lot, not looking its best but funds! Yes the central area MF deals with is in diabetes and that's huge in London with the mix of ethnicities, which sadly diabetes is prevalent in, I do work on some diabetic studies and a few at present in screening and also systematic disease in CMO in which the diabetes has gotten to the stage it needs intervention, either anti-VEGF or PRP laser.

    Morning Lane and Islington is a great area, stayed there a fair bit at the Hilton in that area, superb restaurants around, but I know where you coming from with locals being priced out for prime payers, so being priced out, I have noticed this in the 10yrs I have been visiting London for work, that same restaurants and hotels are getting pricier.

    Still love visiting London the few times a year I get too.
     
  22. Data Banks

    Data Banks Corporal

    If the sales are large enough you will. Otherwise Toyota understands they won't make any profits on the sale of just 1 Corolla.
     

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