Is This A Normal Perspective When Buying A New Car?

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by cornflakes, Dec 6, 2016.

  1. cornflakes

    cornflakes Corporal

    So I am itching to buy my first ever new car. But here's something I am struggling with: the price tag.

    I don't make a lot of money (about 30-35 k) per year, and I'm a single person so I don't have a lot of
    financial obligations other than for myself. But I'm eyeing some cars that I really like and they are price
    tagged at around 40-55k. Now, obviously, I know that I am shopping out of my range. I should probably be
    aiming for cars that sell at around 20-30k. But is this a reasonable perspective to have: If I buy a car that
    costs me 50K, I'm not really spending 50K because when I resell it later, I'll be expecting at least 50% of it
    back in the resale value because I may not own it for longer than 3 or 4 years OR it will have very low mileage on it
    (about 50,000 km or less). So in the end, I'm really only spending around 25k.

    I don't know, but that's how I reason it to myself to make me feel better that I'm not actually going to spend 50k on a car because I'll get at least half it back when I resell it.

    Is this correct in thinking like this? (of course there are other expenses like gas, insurance, maintenance, taxes)
    but I mean just from the price tag cost to when I resell it, the difference should only be about 25k in actual money spent to buy this car. I am also aware that cars are not investments but liabilities and value of cars go down a lot. The cars in this
    range that I am looking at however are not cheap cars and usually do maintain their value pretty well even after 3 or 4 years.

    Please confirm or correct my way of thinking.
     
  2. LauraR

    LauraR MajorGeeks Super-Duper Administrator Staff Member

    Well, my view right off the bat is that if you are looking for cars that cost more than your annual income, that is probably not the smartest strategy. Of course, you didn't say how much you were putting down or if you were financing all of it. If you are financing it, you probably won't have it paid off in 3 years for resale.

    I would suggest you use a calculator to determine how much you can afford on a monthly basis and go from there on cost: https://www.edmunds.com/calculators/affordability.html

    I really don't think anyone can confirm your way of thinking one way or the other as it's personal to you on how cash poor you want to be because of a car. I also wouldn't be thinking of something that loses 50% of it's value in 3 years as a positive. Granted...a car that holds its value like that is better than other cars, but still pretty bad.

    Btw...here's a couple of links which I agree with:

    https://www.moneyunder30.com/how-much-car-can-you-afford
    http://www.financialsamurai.com/the-110th-rule-for-car-buying-everyone-must-follow/
     
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  3. Fred_G

    Fred_G Heat packin' geek

    Seems to me buying a car that cost more than you make in a year is not wise.

    Why not be the one that buys this car?
    3 or 4 years old, a few thousand miles on it, and half price... New cars are a poor investment, as they lose value as soon as you drive them off the lot. Local parts store has a bumper sticker, "All Cars Run On Used Parts."

    Lots of used cars out there.
     
  4. cornflakes

    cornflakes Corporal

    thanks for the replies, good pointers.
     
  5. aidan80

    aidan80 Private First Class

    My advice to you would be to (if you haven't already done so) check out used cars. It's the only way to get the type of vehicle you want at a price that's reasonable. Actual money is the price you actually agree to pay and the amount financed there's no way around that. Brand new vehicles depreciate the second you take possession. If you've never bought a new car before I highly recommend you don't enter the wolfs den alone. Actually I highly recommend you bite your time and buy used.

    I typically start my car shopping by emailing dealers in order to get their "best out the door price" that includes taxes, title and any/all other fees. Otherwise expect to spend hours at a dealership while they give you the performance of how they'll make you a great deal. Check out True Car if you haven't already. If your going to buy go in preparied and don't ever accept the pressure tactics and yes expect to be "dehorsed" if you've a trade. Don't go in while the banks are shut some dealers will be more than happy to do a spot sale on you. Drop you into a new car then call up a few days later telling you sorry X Motor Company didn't actually agree to finance you.
     
  6. DOA

    DOA MG's Loki

    Some other points...
    Spendable cash counts more than annual income. If you have cheap or free housing/utilities you have more cash to spend than someone living paycheck to paycheck due to high rent and food pricing. Think about 80K a year in Florida vs 80K a year in downtown New York City. Buying a car that costs more than a year's pay may be OK.

    All new cars drop a huge % when you drive them off the lot. A 3 year trade in cycle will drive you broke. Consider a 10 year or like my truck 30 year cycle. A quality car well taken care of will make 250K miles with regular service. Or maybe a lease?

    Yes, what you are going through is normal. What would I do? Lease or get a cheapie used until the Tesla 3 comes out. Tesla 3 may be a game changer.
     
  7. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Never ever go for a car price that is more than your yearly wage, always go for something at half the value of yearly wage. Finance is a way to go but look at interest rates and should be looking at 0% or no more than say 3% deals, look also at demonstrator cars as while they may have a few hundred miles on them and theoretically second hand they really do give good value as you can get a good deal on them and they tend to come loaded with extras, I have bought a few of these and gained £1000s off the normal price.

    What make and model are you looking at?

    Currently I've just bought or ordered a Fiat 595 (derivative of the 500) and they hold value well, but did get low interest and good discount so always haggle for discount, so research your car and the options you want and look at comparison sites at what discounts you can get.
     
  8. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Also while I think of these things whats the insurance premium on this car and running costs?
    If you are going over your yearly wage on a car and the price of it likely as 1st car the insurance is astronomical?

    1st car I had was a really basic Ford Fiesta and 1.1ltr cost me £900+ in insurance per year, now as I'm an old bugger I get insurance for around £230 on a Fiat 500s and £300 on a Fiat 595
     
  9. chrisholland03

    chrisholland03 Private E-2

    Late to the party but echoing everyone else. With your income, I wouldn't recommend a new car. Most financial advisers recommend the 20/4/10 rule. Put 20% down, don't finance for more than 4 years, and you shouldn't use more than 10% of your gross annual income towards the vehicle.
     
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  10. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Chris I totally agree with you. Can get good deals on new but never go out of your price range so if a high spec BMW is what you like and stretching budget then look at 2nd hand ones that will be cheaper but same car, ask for deals on ex demo cars, I have gotten £1000s off an ex demo before now.
     
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  11. Earthling

    Earthling Interplanetary Geek

    It's often said it's better to buy a car that holds its value well after four years but unfortunately you cant spend percentages. Spend 50k and lose 'just' 50% you lose 25k. Spend 30k and lose 70% you lose 21k. Without even considering running costs, likely to be substantially higher on the more expensive car, which is best? New cars are nice to have, but it's at a huge price however you do the math.
     
  12. hitest

    hitest Staff Sergeant

    In 2014 I bought a 2012 model car. At 2 years old it had low mileage and it was in good shape. Also the price was half that of the 2014 model. The car continues to run well and it didn't break me financially. I'll never buy another new car.
     
  13. Spad

    Spad MajorGeek

    I'd go with a used vehicle for a first purchase. Single owner, no accidents (CarFax is a good resource, and worth the money). Do internet research on the type of vehicle you need before you ever visit a car lot. Any motor vehicle manufactured after 2010 with less than 75K miles can be considered "low" mileage, if single owner and well maintained.

    When going to a car lot, arrive early in the day, and plan on spending over an hour on every vehicle you consider buying. Wear clothes you don't mind getting dirty.

    Really look over any vehicles you consider. Test drive . . . I don't mean drive it around the block, I mean drive it for at least 30 mins . . . highway and city use. Crawl under it and look for "wet spots" or obvious damage like scrapes on frame components or build ups of dirt in nooks and crannies (mainly for those looking for a truck or especially a 4WD vehicle). Check the fluid levels and colors of the fluids (research advice on this also). Put the vehicle through its paces. If the salesperson objects to this, drop it, him/her, and the car lot. Move on.

    Try and get at least a basic warranty on a used vehicle . . . i.e. major drive train issues. It all depends on how much you are spending on it.

    If you are determined to buy a new vehicle, research the heck out of the type of vehicle you need. Make sure the resale value after 3 or 4 years will make the investment worthwhile. Also, cost of ownership is a big consideration . . . no matter the hype, certain motor vehicles will cost more to operate and maintain than others in the same genre. The cost to retain the resale value of some vehicles can be prohibitive.

    At any rate, good luck . . . have fun. My first car was a 1966 Chevrolet Chevelle Malibu I saw in a weedy lot next to a fairly nice house. It was on four flat tires and was so dirty you couldn't see through the windows. Best money I ever spent . . . car never failed me and I still, after decades, carry it's key on my key chain.
     
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  14. plodr

    plodr MajorGeek Super Extraordinaire Moderator Staff Member

    I just read an article about lots of cars off lease because too many people (30%) bought or leased more car than they could afford. You might find a great deal on an off leased car because there are so many of them currently on the market.

    In the 90's, I spied 2 cars that had been rental cars for 6 months and were for sale reduced. Despite the fact that it had been a rental, driven by many different drivers, the car was extremely reliable probably because the rental company made sure it was in tip-top shape so anyone renting the car would not have a problem.

    So look for off lease cars and former car rental cars. The prices will be much better than a new car.
     
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  15. DOA

    DOA MG's Loki

    "Never say never" on that one. Some new technology can change your mind. Currently Tesla is taking kids to school locally. For now the car has to have a driver, although the driver is not doing anything. Soon the car will remind the kids on their cell phones, open the garage door, carefully back out, set its inside temperature, unlock when the kids come close, take them to school, return home and put itself away. The kids will be able to summon the car if they get sick at school. Self charging is on the horizon but not being pushed hard right now.
    Would you buy a new car if it freed up many hours of your time? Doing the math is easy, how much per hour is your time worth vs the cost increase.
    How about if it was twice as safe as your driving?
    Ten times as safe?
     
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  16. hitest

    hitest Staff Sergeant

    That is amazing! However, as I understand it the cost of a Tesla is way out of the price range of middle class folks.
     
  17. DavidGP

    DavidGP MajorGeeks Forum Administrator - Grand Pooh-Bah Staff Member

    Currently they are but the more that Tesla develop and sell more cars the cheaper they will become or newer compact cars Tesla will likely make to corner that market, they will go for the mid to high price ranges to get capital as making a small compact that you can only really sell for sub $20k is not effective at present, plus the easier as DOA mentions that self or charging on the go (talk of embedding a electromagnetic cable in the road).

    Once self automated driving is fine tuned more they the benefits as DOA mentions will become apparent, just think call the car or have the car take you home from a meal or night out if you have even only had one drink will save lives.
     
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