Waterfox Vs Cyberfox Improvment

I have been using cyberfox for the last 3 or 4 years.And i must say it was a great web browser for that time.You could mod it like crazy with very little effect.But now the developer has abandoned the project Toady, the lead developer will not longer be supporting it.52.9.1 was the last version.And now it is degrading rapidly.

So i had set out a search for a different browser.

I don't like chrome for specific reason's.I will not use opera for the lack of security options.

This is the one reason why i have stuck with firefox and their off brands.Firefox has lots of add-ons and security options.

So i was trying out some firefox off base versions.

It came down to waterfox.https://www.waterfoxproject.org/en-US/

Sure it still a little bit behind from firefox updates.It's better than being completely outdated.

Try out waterfox for your self.

It has a lot of options and settings that cyberfox had and firefox does not.

Firefox is a 64bit web-browser.It is pretty fast even with a lot of bookmarks installed.I normally disable the Enable multi-process options in these versions.Seems to run better that way.'

 

Curious why you ruled out Pale Moon.

Personally, I've gone with SeaMonkey. That was the only way I could keep FireFTP, Chatzilla and all of the other crucial services in my browser. I'm really digging having offline copies of my Gmail and calendar in Thunderbird and Lightning again as well.

If any admins read this, I would be very interested in knowing WHY FireFox is still on the favorites page, and neither Pale Moon or SeaMonkey is.

Recent versions of Opera should be banned from the site, with a big warning label that Chinese interests bought Opera with the EXPRESS purpose of seeding it with malware to data mine Americans.

 

Quite happy with Pale Moon (8+ years now) and Basilisk, thanks. Sometimes fallback/test with Opera/Firefox ESR, even Chrome on odd occasions. All x86 versions of late, though I also have x64 versions of PM/Basilisk installed.

 

You've got to be joking Tim. First of all data mining isn't limited to Privacy Act or browser tracking related info. Just use your imagination. Think credit card numbers, retirement accounts and investments, and work your way down to online assets.

I'm actually shocked to find a professional in the industry with that attitude. If nothing they, they could build one unholy zombie bot-net.

If you weren't aware, they literally said flat out that that was there entire purpose for buying Opera. That was one sad day for me. Opera is generally a train wreck, with one good version every few years, but I've always liked it when it worked. No more. It's off the short list.

Yes, I despise Fascist Book (and Instagram and Twitter), and openly encourage people to leave them for other platforms as well as rail about their security blunders, Privacy Act violations, manipulation and bias.

satrow, I finally ditched Firefox after they canned webkit and killed off half of their extensions. Plus.. as Tim pointed out.. it is infested with tracking and adware now. In my mind, they effectively killed it. Chrome just makes me pull my hair out. It's the official 'anti-privacy' browser. About as many security holes as Windoze itself to boot.

Of course, that's why I was looking at Waterfox, Pale Moon and eventually Seamonkey. Privacy / security concerns and expanded functionality for FTP, IRC and etc. Not familiar with Basilisk. I'll have to look in to that. Thanks!

 

Also look at these two.
BriskBard
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/briskbard.html

Brave
https://brave.com/

 

Thanks Eldon, I'll check those out!

Tim - I've been in the industry WAY too long to make unfounded statements.
Right back at ya:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Opera+browser+china+americans
..and who the HELL is toptenreviews.com?? Seriously?? I jump on PCmag and Cnet and call them out when they screw something up, or point them in the right direction when they need some help. Who even QUOTES third party websites?

..and yes, I do. Care to see my military grade DoD encryption certifications?
Do you know what a keylogger is? <facepalm>

 

Yeah, I posted a LIST of links. My link didn't PROVE anything. It provided a resource so that other people who browse this thread can figure out the truth for themselves, regardless of what anyone's.. OPINION.. on the subject is. Stop being obtuse, you can browse those links just as easy as anyone else.

Are you pulling my chain? NOBODY takes those stupid top-ten-everything-on-the-planet-dot-com websites seriously. Not sure if you're arguing for the sake of arguing or..?

Finally, my entire point, if the integrity of the browser itself is compromised.. they CAN embed a keylogger. even 3 or 4 of them, and you would never know, because in the end it's a closed source application.

Personally, I'm hoping somebody somewhere will hack the open source bits together to make something that IS trustworthy.

 

That's a pastebin site you twit. ..and it's a PrintScreen image I cropped myself. Get over yourself.

Wait, wait.. did you just quote a website that claims that 69% of Americans are using Opera?? Bwa-ha-ha!

satrow: I got a few minutes break from bantering with Tim, I got a chance to look in to Basilisk, it looks interesting, but I think I'll hold out for a fully developed feature set. I WAS interested to note that Pale Moon has a current version of FireFTP in their add-ons. I'm not going to run off and switch browsers now, but if the developer has changed his mind about maintaining support for older add-ons, I MIGHT be able to work with him and fill out the feature set in the future.

 

Eldon, Briskbard looks very promising, using open source Opera bits like I mentioned above! Alas, the developer says that he won't release his closed source bits. </quote>

BriskBard uses the same way to monetize a free service that many other apps and blogs use : ads and affiliate marketing.

The default search engine in BriskBard is a "Google custom search engine" available here :
https://www.briskbard.com/search/

As you can see, the search results include some ads at the bottom.
</endquote>
Too bad, it looked very promising.

Seriously impressed with Brave. Somebody needs to get them linked up with the EFF, they've been waiting for a reliable open source, privacy oriented web browser.

I'm currently using IceCat on my mobiles, with ABD and NoScript and etc., of course. I'm going to look to see if there are any peer reviews of the Brave source code yet, then consider installing it on all of my mobiles.

Thank you, kindly!

 

Tim, what has Briskbard got do with Opera?
And BriskBard is hosted by Majorgeeks.

https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/briskbard.html

 

I'll pass...
Brave is getting good reviews.

 

Sounds like Tim.

Eldon, Tim is just being obtuse. Not sure why calling out crappy software is yanking his chain, but so far he's deleted all of my posts except the ones in this thread.

ploder, agreed, the info he wants is linked above, I'm trying to ignore him for now.

I was using the current Firefox ESR, until they killed WebKit. Pale Moon wasn't working for me, so I switched to Seamonkey, and hacked a bunch of add-ons to make everything work.

I'm surprised that I'm the only one using IceCat on Android. It's a viable option that gives you the ABP, NoScript and etc. add-ons.

..Does anybody here use F-droid?

..I'd start a new thread, but Captain Offended would just delete it. :/

 

Read much? Quote yourself much?

Either you're a noob, or you're being intentionally obtuse.

I never said it DOES contain malware or keyloggers, I said that they COULD add them, encrypt the closed source code, and you would never know. I'm mentioning this for other people. You ought to be fully aware of this fact, no excuses.

I'm not offended, you're just a loser. You've gone behind me and deleted my posts, edited your responses to make yourself look cool, and now you're putting words in my mouth. Not to mention, hijacking someone else's thread.

I ran across some Quora questions on this exact subject, so I put together an answer for them. I refuse to waste time putting together information so that you can just delete it. At any rate, it's no bother to copy it here. I included that last quote specifically for you:


Opera was bought by a Chinese consortium a couple of years ago with the stated intent of using it to data mine Americans. THEIR OWN WORDS. Note that Opera Mini and Opera Max both funnel ALL of your data through their servers, so they already have access to a huge amount of data right there.

NewsWeb

Opera’s canned response:

Search Twitter - @opera privacy norwegian

Yeah, thanks. We’re not asking about the program. We’re asking about the user Privacy Act data. Last paragraph here:

Chinese takeover target Opera Software embeds browser security tool

"Opera’s Boilesen said it would be “completely unproblematic”, given it was running it through a Chinese IT company already."

So there’s your data. In China. We know the programming is questionable, because the first thing that happened when they introduced the service is that they were caught leaking people’s IP addresses all over the place. The ENTIRE point of using a VPN service is to mask your IP address. HOW.. HOW can you miss that??

Stop Opera’s New VPN from Leaking Your IP Address

SurfEasy, the company providing the VPN service, is known to have a back door in their service to hand data over to governments:

Five Eyes - Wikipedia

QiHoo 360 has been involved with a double handful of corrupt business practices. Pretty much the exact opposite of ‘trustworthy’:

Qihoo 360 - Wikipedia

Also, it’s extremely important to note that the initial deal to sell Opera for twice as much money fell through due to security concerns in the U.S. Mainly because it looked like Opera was selling out to China SPECIFICALLY to avoid the European Union privacy laws.

As mentioned above, the consortium also holds a certificate authority and a VPN service. When combined with the Opera browser and it’s VPN capabilities.. well, these are all of the key ingredients for man-in-the-middle data sniffing and attacks.

Note that a company this malicious with access to closed source code could install whatever malware they want to in to the encrypted portion of the program and nobody would ever be the wiser.

It could create an unholy bot-net with 350 million end-points (If you believe Opera's useage statistics).

At that point, your security goes straight out the window, and your privacy is a distant memory. They can hijack your computer and internet connection to do whatever they want to.

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I highly recommend sticking with the best rated, peer reviewed, open source browsers. The EFF used to keep track of them, but it is a VERY fluid market. Once you’ve narrowed that field down, you can pick and choose the features that you want.

Whatever solution you decide on, privacy, ad-blocking and security features need to be addressed in this day and age. If the browser itself doesn’t cover the bases, make sure that the add-ons for the browser do.

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"If you think privacy is unimportant for you because you have nothing to hide, you might as well say free speech is unimportant for you because you have nothing useful to say." -- Snowden

 

I use opera daily. I also pay by the gigabyte for my data. When I first went to Windows 8.1, I had a huge increase in data use daily. I used a network scanner to isolate the vast increase in daily usage and it turned out to be mostly MS related. Upon disabling the related apps and vpn's used by MS, my data usage went back to normal amounts. I wasn't using Opera then, but later IE started having so many disconnects that I tried other browsers. In the end I tried Opera and it has held up as the most reliable. I have several others installed and used often in normal mode or in virtual machines or when booting from a live cd/usb. I haven't seen increased data collection or transfer with any to tell the truth. I believe it might be the sites you are visiting which cause problems rather than the browser you are using. This pc hasn't been needing an image restored or replaced in over a year and a half and then was caused by trying different software. If opera is data-mining they missed mine. And really - I don't use this for confidential or damaging data. If you need to send such data, use snail mail!