Backup: Image Vs. Clone

Discussion in 'Software' started by TimW, Nov 30, 2019.

  1. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    Happy Thanksgiving... ( we had chinese take out!! ) I have not really gotten into the whole backup learning course.....LOL......but I do have a spare drive from an older laptop that is in an enclosure which I am considering wiping and using as a backup device.....but I have no idea which is the way to go.

    I probably have questions that I don't know I have........but one would be if my hard drive crashed, I could just replace it with the back up drive...right? But would it be the cloned or Imaged?
     
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  2. Mister Krinkle

    Mister Krinkle Private First Class

    Cloned = An exact copy of your system drive on another drive. This is a direct-swap replacement.

    Imaged = A data copy of your system drive, sorta like a ZIPed version of your setup. You have to use the imaging program's Restore option to put it on another drive.

    Here's a more detailed explanation:

    Difference Between Disk Cloning & Disk Imaging
    https://smallbusiness.chron.com/difference-between-disk-cloning-disk-imaging-68100.html
     
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  3. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    Sounds like cloning is the way.......but can you do updates from time to time or just reclone?
     
  4. Mister Krinkle

    Mister Krinkle Private First Class

    That depends on the nature of the updates. If you need to add/replace/remove a few data files on the cloned drive, no problem; just copy/paste or delete. But if you need to update Windows itself or add newly installed apps, then you'll have to re-clone.

    Imaging doesn't care about any of this; it just makes a fresh snapshot of the entire drive.
     
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  5. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    Thanks.....any files I have are currently backed up to the cloud. So I would just have to re-add any new programs which would not be much of an issue.

    Any particular free cloning software you prefer?
     
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  6. Earthling

    Earthling Interplanetary Geek

    Whether you decide to clone or to image it's best first to spend a little time moving all your personal stuff to either a second drive or to a separate partition on your main drive. Depending on how much personal data you have this all adds to the time it takes to image or reclone and can be considerable. Worse, if you revert to your image or clone, all your personal stuff will also revert, losing any recent stuff or recent versions. This won't happen if your own data isn't included in the clone or image. I favour imaging as you can create very small and quick backups which only contain the changes from the last backup - called incremental images. You are much more likely to stick to your backup routine if it only takes a few minutes. If it typically takes an hour or more you probably won't do it.

    Imaging or cloning isn't a suitable way of backing up your personal stuff. I use a simple sync program that just keeps a second copy of your files somewhere else and keeps it up to date

    Imaging/cloning makes your system bombproof.
     
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  7. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    My personal stuff ( passwords, image/photo files, documents, etc) are all backed up to the cloud. I just want to make something that if my HD craps out, I can just replace it and boot back up.
     
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  8. Earthling

    Earthling Interplanetary Geek

    Then my vote would be imaging with Macrium Reflect free version. Don't recommend cloning.
     
  9. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    So I can use that and when my hard drive dies, I can just put in the other hard drive created with Macrium?
     
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  10. Mister Krinkle

    Mister Krinkle Private First Class

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  11. Earthling

    Earthling Interplanetary Geek

    If the HDD really has died then yes, that is what to do, but HDD failures are rather rare. Much more common are booting or other problems caused by either Windows or your software or by some nasty that has somehow got on board. In that situation I'd rather spend 15 minutes restoring a recent image than finding a screwdriver.
     
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  12. Imandy Mann

    Imandy Mann MajorGeekolicious

    Sounds like you're set on cloning. That's your choice to decide. What I suggest is if you make a clone, hook it up and boot from it before you think all is done. I've had some images and clones that didn't boot at first. Most of these softwares have a 'fix boot problems' button for that situation. Sometimes I've had to use 2 softwares to get it completed. The programs are free on MGs. Get a 3-pak of thumb drives (cheap). Make the boot drive from each, Macrium, Amoei, Paragon.

    You can clone or image from any of these so good to have which ever way you decide. Boot with the recover usbs to find what each can do and to get familiar.
     
  13. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    Arrgghhhh!! A good while back, my system took a dump!! A really big dump!! Absolutely nothing I could do. So I put the Win10 ISO on a thumb drive and reinstalled Windows. It was a PITA and took longer than I would have thought and then I had to reinstall everything and try to save the files in Win.old.

    Now you guys are just confusing me......:)
     
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  14. Imandy Mann

    Imandy Mann MajorGeekolicious

    Just follow @Mister Krinkle's link to Macruim. It's a MG link, so no problem. Install the prog. Run it to see what it looks like and ask any questions. 1st step! Easy!
     
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  15. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    I have already done that. Guess I will run it now and see if it confuses me.....:)
     
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  16. Imandy Mann

    Imandy Mann MajorGeekolicious

    And are you sure your 2nd drive is good?
     
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  17. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    OK.....here is where I am......the entire contents of the laptop drive is too big for the destination drive. Mac.png
     
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  18. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    New And are you sure your 2nd drive is good?

    Yes.
     
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  19. Earthling

    Earthling Interplanetary Geek

    ... and the target drive is at least as big as the source drive?

    It isn't is it - see your pic
     
  20. Imandy Mann

    Imandy Mann MajorGeekolicious

    Image with high compression might fit.

    I saw some large ssd's at Office Depot with a good price. Could just transfer the system over and save the drive you have now. I recently transferred a small Win 7 over to a 240g ssd and saved my drive. The 240g was 37$. Double the size I think was 67$.
     
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  21. Earthling

    Earthling Interplanetary Geek

    If you really need and want to retain all those separate partitions then imo your best solution would be cloning the entire drive to a new 500Gb or 1Tb drive in an external enclosure - a caddy - and subsequently imaging your important partitions occasionally.
     
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  22. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    Still confused....I hit image this disc and the only option is to a new partition or to DVD drive.
     
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  23. Earthling

    Earthling Interplanetary Geek

    Until you attach another large enough drive the system has nowhere to copy or image to.

    EDIT

    Not true as there is a 220GB unused partition on the second drive, but the second drive is an old style MBR disk and the lappie's drive is a new style GPT disk. They aren't compatible as things stand. Still recommend a new drive.
     
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2019
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  24. baklogic

    baklogic The Tinkerer

    I always use Partition Wizard -the free version
    What I like about it is that it will clone a hard drive,BUT, it will also clone to a different size hard drive. It does not need any other software.
    It does this by shrinking all partitions to suit/same ratio. I have a hard drive docking unit that came with its own software- never used the software, as it had to be identical hard drives to work.
    I have cloned a 2 tb hard drive on a 1.5 tb hard drive-- A 160 gb on to a120 gb hard drive.
    As suggested,it is worth trying them out before putting into storage (swap, in and out)
    By doing this with Partition Wizard, the recovery drive is also retained.
    You can just clone the C:partition to another hard drive.
    As Earthling says, gpt, and mbr will not read each other -
    This is why I clone mine with Partition Wizard-- just my choice .
    It is possible to convert mbr to gpt, if there are no partitions on it
     
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  25. baklogic

    baklogic The Tinkerer

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  26. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    Ordered a 500 gb drive...sigh.
     
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  27. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    New HDD arrived today......put in enclosure and clone completed!! Thanks everyone for pointing out the obvious that was not obvious to me. :)
     
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  28. the mekanic

    the mekanic Major Mekanical Geek

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  29. TimW

    TimW MajorGeeks Administrator - Jedi Malware Expert Staff Member

    At my age, I am thinking this $23 hdd as a back up might be the last! :)
     
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  30. baklogic

    baklogic The Tinkerer

    You said it in one - Your understanding with malware leaves me in awe - Some things we all try to be good at, and might get close,but, there is always that obvious one that eludes me, (as a tinkerer), and probably other real experts at majorgeeks . I have learnt so much from majorgeeks ,over the years,and continue to do so - Hats off to you , mate.
     
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  31. Eldon

    Eldon Major Geek Extraordinaire

    I have learned a lot from helping, or trying to help, others.
     
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