PC gamer says you need this for vista/Next Gen

First of all yeah the information is awesome on whats the best pc hardware to buy for vista. The downfall are they gave ppl bad sites that jack up the prices.You can find alot of these on newegg.com!!!


Video Cards: Of course they said get a 8800gtx or a 8800 gts
but if u were me and many others wait till feb...the cheaper ones and better ones are coming out.


Displays: I actually had the pleasure to play on one of these! even tho at 700bucks ur crazy to buy it. The dell 24-Inch 2407WFP is the first monitor to be 1080p for a pc monitor.


Keyboard and Mice : Saitek was their choice of the better keyboard where im gonna disagree and say the g15 is a better buy. The MS Razer Habu Mouse was their choice again i disagree to that. If youre a gamer get a logitech or a Razer copperhead.


Gamepad: Now MS made a wireless gaming receiver!!! so we can finally play wireless on the pc!


Soundcard : The Sound Blaster x-fi xtremegamer fatality professional


Powersupply : All u need are like a 650-700 watt for the newer cards


Cooler : So far ppl are having problems with cooling ''water'' leaking....if u dont have the money to do water get zalman 9700 with artic silver paste


Hard drive : Theyre so cheap you can get a 500 gb for 120 thats 16 cache


Dvd Writer : blu ray/hddvd r battling just wait a year ull know who the winner is by then...but not alot of ppl knows u can get a nice 20x samsung for 30 bucks


case: they put a 999 antec in this article, who ever wrote this was high or something because u cant fit the newer cards in this thing...This is a gamer thread so get a cool master full tower or a antec 180p


Motherboard : the evga 680i was meant to overclock! finally the first motherboards to actually use what we thought sli was 2 years ago 16x16x=32
Now you can take 2 cards and have them both running at 100 percent on both instead of the second one running at 30-40percent range.


Processor : Im still lost on this,I heard many many different things on the newer intel duos vs the amd 64.Stillt he amd athlon is true 64 bit running both cores at dual core.Supposely intel duo cores r 64 bit but use a bridge but i had a 4200 amd 64x2.Then went to a 6400 and overclocked to 3.2 ghz;even not overclocked i could move quicker. If you re thinking bout going vista u need a dual core for it''the 64 bit one which is better''


Ram : With games like crysis,alone in the dark,hellgate,call of duty4,bioshock and are new OS! we need 2 gbs just for vista''Amazing''!!. Your better ram even for a none gamer are corsair xms2...ohhh not alot of ppl knew this as well if you re planning on dual core u need DDR2.


Well, i hope this info helped you with any question on what to get or looking forward into buying/build ur next system. Remember buy off of the net www.newegg.com,www.tigerdirect.com,www.frys.com,or pricewatch.com
retail stores or the middle man stores always jack up the prices...I bought a 500 gb seagate for 120-30 where the had 200 gbs for 200 bucks at compusa and bestbuy.

 

1) Whose budget you think will handle all these things?
2)You link to 3 sites at once. It's impossible to use that link.

 

I'll just stick with my free OS, with more features than Vista, with less hardware requirements.

XP for games.

I really doubt that Microsoft is goign to keep DX 10 to Vista only. Its screwing over most their user base.

 

im sorry its


www.newegg.com



www.tigerdirect.com



www.frys.com




www.pricewatch.com

 

well i guess,this os is morely for the gamers this time!!!but in the pc mag not the gamer theyre like 4 versions and the gamer one supposely needs 2 gbs wierd.

 

No version needs more than another. Now there is a version without glass, that would require somewhat less ram.

None need 2gb.

 

Despite the buzz I've heard surrounding Vista, I'm doubtful as to whether or not it'll make an impact. The only reason everyone games on windows, is because there are no games on Mac worth playing.

I firmly believe that gamer's need an OS of their own. Then we could cut out all the excess garbage that slows down frame rates and makes games harder to run. Without all the background noise taking processor power, heat is even less of an issue than it is now.

 

Gamers make a small percentage of overall OS sales.

Its not financially feasible, unless open source.

We all know that MS will do everything in their power to make sure that never happens.

 

Game require 2gb of memory??? Mine eyes must deceive me....

I test ran Vista on DX 9 - don't need 10 at all.

 

Newegg.com is only applicable in the US, otherwise use the other links or possibly Directron (never tried any of the others since I'm in the US).

You don't need 2GB, but it's probably recommended especially for games. A 1.5GB recommended requirement isn't uncommon nowadays.

DX10 requires Vista, not the other way around.

Seagate and Western Digital probably have the best prices with good quality.

My mobo (Asus M2N32-SLI) has full 32x also, unless you're excluding AMD, in which case I'd have no idea whether there are other capable mobos out there.

You can't assume everything from a single source is completely accurate, reliable or not. I'm assuming the listed components are what they used on their test rig then said where to get them if you wanted to, not stating this is what you must have to run Vista.

 

Dx10 requires Vista, only because MS made it that way.

There is nothing in Vista that is so special that DX10 couldn't run on XP.

Thats my whole irritation with Vista, amongst security issues I'm sure they didnt patch.

I still think they will make it for XP, as they would be making a lot of their user base very angry.

 

Isn't that sort of the point of open source? To do things that would be useful, that wouldn't be feasible financially? As for MS not allowing it, why would we care?

 

We? Do you work for them?

MS would do everything in their power to stop the OSS community from developing a gaming OS that works with Windows software because it would carve a notch in their market share. The reason being is that it isn't very difficult to find a faster, better looking, better performing, and more secure OS out there. Add games as a bonus,a nd people would flock to it like flies on...:crap.

Why would they care?

Easy answer. They are greedy, and want it all. Imagine if OS X was available to everyone, and ran Windows games.

Microsoft would be in big trouble.

 

DX10 will not run on XP and you won't see any XP/DX10 combination unfortunately.

All gamers will be forced to upgrade to Vista and DX10 hardware if they want to continue to play the latest titles but I don't expect to see wide selection of DX10 games on the store shelves until late 2007 or early 2008 so there's no hurry to upgrade.

From what I've been told by people using Vista beta is that 2GB of memory will not be enough to play memory intensive games like BattleField 2 or FEAR on Vista because the OS uses so much of the system's ram just to operate. Considering it takes 2GB of memory to play those games on XP at high settings currently - it would make sense that Vista will need even more ram.

For non-gamers, any decent DX9 card, CPU and a 1GB of ram should be enough to have a decent experience running Vista.

It seems like every time I get my system running just the way I like it, I need to upgrade something just to keep gaming.

 

I played FEAR just fine with 2gb of ram on Vista.

As for it DX10 not running on XP, reread the thread please.

I will be surprised if they dont cave in and bring out DX10 for XP.

 

My friend has Vista on a laptop with 1GB RAM and he can run games like FEAR, Battlefield 2142, and Half Life 2 fine, so I'm not worried. Giving in to making DX10 for XP was the very first thing I thought when I heard DX10 was Vista-only. Bad marketing strategy on their part.

 

I totally agree.

 

lol, well FEAR or BF2 won't run at 1024 x 1280 with 4xAA & 8xAF enabled with 1 GB of ram on any of the 3 gaming systems we have here at our house, not smoothly anyway. I don't know what settings you guys run your games at but 1GB won't cut it with at those settings I can assure you.

I just upgraded my son's system from 1 to 2 GB because FEAR was studdering badly at the above settings. It runs smooth as can be after the upgrade.

Glad to hear you guys are able to do it though. rolleyes

Oh, and don't hold your breath waiting for DX10 on XP!

 

I have 1gb ram and run BF2 and BF2142 with full everything.........although I have a x1950 512mb card

 

You must know something we don't.

Wait, no you don't.

 

So many people fail to realize how video card dependent these games are.

 

No, I meant we as an the rest of the world. MS is popular among gamers because that's where the games are. It's the only reason I don't like (Cr)Mac's.

As long as it uses no Microsoft code, there wouldn't be any basis for legal action. They could scream and cry all they wanted.

 

I'm not all that fussed about Vista, as everything I need to do in XP works so I have no need to upgrade, and I'm currently starting a switch to Linux, however...


I don't see why Microsoft would feel the need to release DX10 for XP, or worry about pissing off its user base.
Microsoft isn't about backward compatibility. I wanted to keep using 3.x as I hated 95 when it came out.
I didn't like 98 when that was released.

But in both cases Microsoft ran things such that I had to either stop using new software and stick with my old OS, or upgrade. I'm not sure there's any reason to think that Vista will be any different.

New PCs will start shipping with it. New games will require it. Despite the fact that it is a resource-pig, I can't see any real reason it won't steamroller ahead and leave users with the same upgrade-or-fall-behind choice they had with just about every major release Microsoft have made.

Still, I'm just a partition away from Linux - so I won't be losing any sleep. Good job I don't have much time for games - otherwise I might be bothered.

 

You think Microsoft is that innocent in shady dealings?

 

You are kidding right?

History shows otherwise.

Not only that, backwards compatibility is a moot point.

Vista is XP, with a new interface, and some new features. Just like XP is Windows 2000, with eyecandy.

Kernel is based on 2003 SP1, which is based on XP SP2.

/yawn, nothing new.

Waste money on an OS thats barely improved, imo.

 

True enough it is eye candy... but it isn't just eye-candy. There will be Vista features (sometimes just small functions) unavailable in XP. For the first release since 2001I think it is fair to say it is a bit more than just a new skin.

To give a very simple example there were certain features and software that needed Win98SE. If you didn't have it, that was that. I was using 98 and had to install 98SE to get some essential functionality. I don't see a reason to think DX10 won't be a similar thing.

The point I'm making more than anything else though, is that now Vista is on the market, fewer and fewer systems will be shipping with XP, more software will start demanding Vista and be unusable on XP and eventually it will become as obsolete (to users who use new software) as Win98 is now.

If users have no need to switch to Vista, then most won't. If there are certain compulsions (for example, needing to have a system that has DX10 in order to run certain software) then they will switch, meaning a whole lot more money from Microsoft.

Microsoft would gain more than they would lose by risking the annoyance of users who insist on DX10, in order to have more people pay up for the operating system that has been in the works since 2001.

Waste of money? I agree. I've just spent a grand total of £5 on a magazine with openSUSE on the front (to save the time and effort of downloading it) and am now sitting at a computer using a free OS with thousands of developers, an inherently more secure method, more stable, that is faster, neater and more powerful than XP, and doesn't eat up resources and so on.
An evening's work and it already does almost everything I need it to, and I still don't even fully understand how to use the thing!

I, like you, won't be in any rush to buy Vista.

Inferior products and a higher price? Not for me.

 

Ah, but at that point, we have basis for legal action. Not to mention pre-existing facts. They were already gone after for trying to gain a monopoly.

 

I'm not sure producing a new OS would be seen as monopolizing, not unless it could be shown that it was preventing others from competing (and having a superior product, not that I think Vista is superior, isn't unfair competition)

 

Care to explain why he can run it at 1900x1200 at max graphics, then? Plus Half-Life 2 (and Episode 1) and BF2142, also at max settings and same resolution (Core Duo, 7900GS)? Sure, it stumbles a little starting up, but after that it's fine. I've seen it for myself.

 

Which they got off with a relatively small slap on the hand. Which didn't change the damage they did. They accomplished their goal, and their penalty was minor compared to the money they made.

My point exactly, thank you.

 

I understand upgrades, but more importantly, I understand Microsoft's ability to change their mind.

One shining example is them extending the product life cycle of Windows 98SE. Demand determines their actions.

Another example. Remember Avalon, and WinFS, destined to be Vista only technologies, only to be dropped from the OS. Plans were then made to have it modular-ized, for XP, too.

Nothing is ever written in stone with them.

 

Screw this, I want Vienna.

 

Yeah, I know about the wait (I originally read 2009-2012), and I'm waiting for the latter date considering how great they are at crappy scheduling.

 

aww i couldnt run bf2 on my gb of geil and got tired of buying at the wrong time and now im ready i just built this pc that costed me 4 k and never doing this for agood 5-6 years.hopefully unless its my processor and ram that ll be upgraded.Since my processor is at 3.6ghz i dont think i ll even have to worry....



burners :bluray,and a 20x dvd burner
video cards : running 2 xfx 8800gtx xxx in sli!
harddrives : 4x500 seagates at 7200 rpmw/ 16cache
psu: bfg 1000 watt
speakers : logitech 7.1 700watts
processor:e6400 overclocked at 3.6 ghz with a zalman 9700 led cooler with artic silver paste!
monitor: the dell monitor that costed me 700 bucks :\..the only 24 inch 1080p i could find, but the pic omfg!
sound card : the elite gamer audigy and bf2 sounds amazing!
motherboard: asus 680i with my pcie running 32x

direct x10 better be worth it man -_-...i really cant wait to see this gen of games!

 

If you guys are able to play these games with 1 gig well then thats great.
I'm just unable to do that with my rigs, thats all.

Here's some info on memory usage and gaming on vista.

http://www.bcchardware.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=3135&Itemid=40&limit=1&limitstart=1

Hey Adrynalyne, I sure hope you are not an example of a typical senior member here on this forum with your childish attitude.

There are some major issues MS would have to deal with in order to get DX10 compatible with XP according to the articles I've read recently, which is why I said don't hold your breath waiting for it. I don't have links to those articles at the moment but if you check into it you can find that information yourself. There is some good info on the Guru of 3D forums on this subject if you care to investigate.

OK, now you can get back to your flaming. rolleyes

I'm outta this place, to hostile for me. lol

 

"There are some major issues MS would have to deal with in order to get DX10 compatible with XP according to the articles I've read recently, which is why I said don't hold your breath waiting for it."

Do tell. You do understand that Vista is merely a modified XP, right?

I could go on to say that I wasn't flaming you. You haven't seen real flaming, if you think it is.

 

Your a big boy - go find for yourself. lol

 

I thought you were leaving?