Teenagers.. I hate you.. deal with it.

By the way something I missed. I totally agree with the drink driving comments. I cant say the words I would like as they are far too colourfull for MGs. But I have lost a few freinds through car crashes and through being ran over, because of idiots who drink drive.

 

I agree wholeheartedly with what you said there. I, too, was one of those kinds of teenagers, who mouthed off to adults, drank heavily, smoked 2 1/2 packs of cigarettes a day, was sexually active, vandalized whatever I could, stole anything that wasn't nailed down (literally), and basically was the epitome of the kind of teenager you described. And I thought that life would never end. Fortunately, though, at 25 years old, I no longer have that mindset, and have pretty much settled down and have become a (mostly) decent human being. Now, I'm still pretty mouthy and cynical:guns, but only to people who deserve it, usually the breed of human known as "STUPID," and I do know now when to hold my tongue when necessary. And it seems that so many of that breed are, in fact, teenagers. It's sad, because they're supposed to be the future, right? Is anyone as scared as I am about that fact?
Anyway, also, about the lack of responsibility from their parents, that is 1000% true. I just love how so many of them, whose kids commit some sort of horrible crime, like shooting up a classroom or something, just so they won't look like the idiots that they are, will blame everything from video games, to movies, to heavy metal music, as the causes of whatever their "precious little babies" did. Here's my view on that: If you can't take on the responsibility, don't become a parent. And if you do become a parent, BE A F***ING PARENT!!!!!!! I cannot stress that enough!!!!!! Don't expect the TV or public schools to babysit for you, because obviously, they aren't going to be much help in that department. You are the one that needs to take care of that hunk of flesh and blood that you helped create, not Mrs. Jones, the math teacher, or Barney the Dinosaur. And, when your kid screws up (Believe me, they will sometime, and definitely more than once) you need to step up, be the responsible and mature parent, and try to figure out why they're doing those kinda things, and help them fix any problems they're going through. Sure, you may not have all the answers, but you need to at least be there, and show that you genuinely care for them, no matter what they do.
And by the way, I've played video games, watched violent movies, and listened to heavy metal virtually my entire life, and have you ever seen any news footage of me walking out of the Wal-Mart in handcuffs, because there're 47 people stabbed or shot to death, and 12 wounded, because one of the greeters didn't say "Good morning!" to me? No, it just simply hasn't happened. Why? Well, first and foremost, I've matured a lot since I was a teenager. Also, even though I was a hellion as a teen, when I was around them, I still received plenty of attention, love, and respect from my mom and stepdad, and though I did lie to them a lot back then, they still tried to take as much of an interest as possible, and tried to be PARENTS. It's as simple as that. Scapegoating was not their answer, and I turned out, for the most part, normal. That's another discussion, though.
Again, bravo on your words. I identified with that so much, because, even at only 25, I still feel like an old man when I tell some 15 year old punk at the mall to pull up his pants, because he's white and not wearing underwear. (True story-it was disgusting.) Oh, well, I guess as we age, that kinda thing's gonna happen. And I'll bet it'll be even worse when I turn 50... if I live that long, anyway.

 

Alas, the confrontation ends up with this guy in my face and we're both waiting for the first throw..but I'm not stupid and was banking on the liquored up individual to throw first.. lucky for him that he didn't. His friend pulls him away and we part. know ya a long time, he is very luckie he didnt touch u.

 

@Saint
yeah.. it's almost like we feel as if we are becoming our fathers

 

I know those speeling mistakes anywhere

 

lol wat can i say sum things nevr change.was gonna change my name butt dont wana kreate havick on the board.): or is it i 4 got lol.

 

Amen, Kodo. I did the same thing you did but I was 15. Damn older kids come flying through the neighborhood when i'm still riding my bike around with my friends. I almost got hit once, and one night they tired to chase me down when I was on my bike. I'd had it. I went over to their garage, threw the door open and cursed them out then proceeded to call the cops. They never messed with me or my friends again and obeyed the speed limit from then on. I'm 19 now and agree with everything you said.

 

Wayne82, imo you've hit the nail on the head. Society does have a major part to play and a responsibility. The Police and Community Youth Club is an example where I've seen "society" take on the responsibility with positive results:

• The PCYC is a state wide partnership between young people, the community and the New South Wales Police Service working to assist young people develop the qualities to be responsible citizens and leaders and to avoid becoming offenders or victims of crime.
  
• It targets young people who are at high risk of crime eg. malicious damage, stealing and street offences;
• provides educational programs dealing with youth crime and other community issues;
• provides sporting and recreational activities including martial arts, dancing, camps, basketball etc.

It's interesting to watch juveniles when they first join slowly change from tough little punks into special, community minded youth. Police and volunteers (citizens and parents) contribute personal time to these youth, enjoy the work and the rewards of seeing the changes that occur.

imho, this is the way to go. It takes just the one little punk to join and his peers quickly follow. Good way for them to constructively use what can be negative energies into something positive. They actually have fun doing it too.

This tact I'm sure is available in other countries besides Down Under.

Cheers

LS

 

KODO, if you knew my biological father, you'd definitely see why that should never, ever happen, but that's another discussion for another time, and would take way too much space to do so here. My stepfather, on the other hand, I think that, more and more every day, that I am becoming nearly a clone of him in so many respects. That one's okay, though, since he's a decent human being, and one of the few on Earth that I love and respect... I have to go. There's a couple of kids out on my lawn, and I have to go yell at them.

 

Ex-teenage scum chiming in to say Kodo and his rage can suck it


EDIT: In all honesty though I hear what you're saying, I despise a large percentage of my peers. Spending a few years surrounded by evolutionary fallout at a big university really makes one appreciate respectful human beings, and to a further extent, those who are close to you. But what can ya do? Avoid those that you can, and put those that you can't in their place. They'll shut up and figure shit out soon enough.

 

Whereas I'm hoping you wouldn't react the same way if a hispanic or african american made you angry. Seriously. Yes, someone was drunk and nearly killed you. Yes, those idiots might crash into your backyard. So you hate all teenagers everywhere because of that, since it presumably makes you feel better. Good for you.

Join the anti-alcohol lobby, or at the very least do something constructive about your hatred. Just spewing it on an online message board is either a waste or a cry for attention, and in either case its rather sad.

 

I don't care if you're rainbow colored. What the hell does race have to do with it? did I mention race? no! so if you're trying to insinuate that I am racist then I should just give you your sign and point you to a corner.

Your spewage sounds remarkably similar to what these kids were saying. "might crash".. "might happen" .. "didn't happen". Apparently the law of probability has escaped you or you have a failure in your logic chip.

15 seconds later and they would have killed a kid on a bike. There's 'chance' for you.. think about it. Maybe next time it might be you on a bike just missing being hit and not even knowing it.

Oh.. about that drunk driver that nearly killed me.. You ever been hit by a 1978 Chevy Malibu at 55 mph?.. every nearly die? it changes you. I've tolerated people from day forward. Frankly I'm tired of bending over backwards and giving chance after chance and being forgiving to people in general much less teenagers.

So, I'll put you in the clueless and easily offended category with the rest of them. mmmkay?

 

A lot of grumpy offended people here that can't seem to understand that this is a rant...

Kodo isn't asking for acceptance, he is making a statement.

Live with it, or don't read it.

 

Maybe these kids should be introduced to the real you Kodo!

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s258/evilfantasy69/Kodo_Falling_Down.jpg

 

Sure, go ahead. You can join me, along with your strange notion that you can post a blanket "I hate everyone in a certain demographic" statement/rant and receive only agreement and praise in return.

 

*Cough*

 

kodosan?
http://downloads.nocturnaloj.com/images/angst.jpg

 

And so I'll probably never post in this forum again unless I need computer help, simply because I'll probably just forget, but whatever:

I'm a 15 year old male in the United States.

I Agree with many things you said, sir, however, I am enthralled by the stereotypical accusation at the entirety of the teenage society you have displayed. Rant or not, you know as well as I that my peers and I are not all drunkard bastards who don't give a damn. If I had a wife and kids and had to deal with such atrocity, I'd probably do the exact thing you did, because driving like a mad idiot when there's kids out is well, mad! Especially drunk driving like a mad idiot. Then it's extra mad

However, you cannot tell me that my peers and I are all disrespectful. Not to be conceited in any stretch, but I'm one of the most respectful people you'll ever meet. I practice age-old manners any gentleman should exert around females and the public in general, and I'm sure to respect my elders in communication and actions while in their vicinity.

Although I do the things I just described, I am no angel. Truth be told, I have done (and will do) "bad" things any teen probably will do (an exception being experimenting) throughout their adolescence. But driving like a blind person isn't one of them.

Finally, I agree 100% with your say on idiot parents. My mom, after the loss of my father around a year and a half ago, has gone down the drain in terms of parenting. I don't want to use his death as a shield for defense on her negative parenting, so I wont. But she can't even control an eight year old. I could probably blow up my house and wind up scratch free (or better off) in doing so.

Where am I going with that? Well, I'm affected by faulty parental decisions, so I feel that I know what you're talking about, and I agree with you.

This is pretty much an almost worthless post, but, ah well. Another teen to ad on to the disagreement list.

~ Imperial

 

Ah, but you'll outgrow it, then it will be your turn. Think of it as the circle of life.

Meanwhile, Grow Up.

I say I say, that's a joke son.

 

I have to say this seems to be approaching the point where everyone starts arguing with the topic creator. And he seems to be fostering the feelings.

I think perhaps it's time to lock this for a while, to keep tempers from exploding?

 

I'm amazed that some people can't seem to get past the first 5 words in my post..

Read it closely.. ready? .. are you sure??

So.. before you post ANYTHING about me stereotyping.. read it.. and read it closely. Then you can continue to read the rest of it which explains why I (ME, MYSELF AND NOT YOU) have decided to place teenagers in the "I will trust you when you can prove to me that you can be trusted" category.

Seriously.. if you can't accept that I have a certain point of view on how I feel teenagers are these days and how I've decided to deal with them and you want to post a reply.. don't call me a racist, don't call me a stereotyper because I know not all teens are like this. But I can't help but to not trust them until they can prove themselves to be trustworthy. Folks..it's that simple. I have made a decision to "look before I leap" when it comes to this demographic. Don't like it? frankly I don't care.. I'm not looking for people to praise me.. I'm not looking for people to confirm what I did was right, I'm not looking for people to back me up. I was making a statement about my experiences with the teenage population.

I don't mind reading another point of view.. in fact, I enjoy reading other peoples perspectives on the topic at hand. But I WILL NOT be attacked.

 

Okay, so I'll add my brief 2 Pesos worth.

At the age of five, I lost my mom to a drunken bum, as did 5 others, back in L.A., '63. I get through all that jazz, get married, and life isn't so bad, right? Wrong. My honeymoon 'present' was my wife damn near killed, and disabled for life, by another drunken low-life. I stuck it out for another 25 years and basically left with less than squat for my efforts. Long story, so I won't go any further. So if you want to talk about sore points, yeah, tell me about it.

But the first instance wasn't a teenager, the second, Hell knows (person(s) unknown). I'll catch up with him in Hell. The point being, that ignorance and arrogance goes across age boundaries, and extends to all age groups. Yes sure, it's a LOT more common in teens, because (1) they are inexperienced, (2) they are immature, (3) they are going through that puberty, "I wanna be like the big boys/girls" thing; (4) they are just plain stupid (in those cases).

My son (now 20) had A.D.H.D. syndrome, so if anyone had an ‘excuse’ to be wild, he did. But I tell ya, he wouldn’t have, and still wouldn’t even remotely dream of acting and speaking like the punks you mentioned. I know I would have had a hand around my ear hole before I even finished opening my yapper if I said or did anything even half that bad.

But what ticks me off more than teenage punks and louts are (at least they can claim immaturity), is the number of adults who still think the same way. I know of plenty of adult and middle aged people with teenage punk minds. I even get old people, who are obviously well over 65, or 70's rudely pushing in and being offensive, and generally rude and ignorant on the roads and elsewhere, almost daily. The expression "older, but no wiser", comes to mind. I feel like saying "Iif you young enough to be an obnoxious cretin, maybe you're young enough to be taught some manners?" (Weil, almost, but not quiet, lol).
Rude and ignorant, I can basically ignore the Jackass. But when it and dangers me, or others around me, I get very angry, to put it moldy.

 

My original thoughts and ideas seemed to escape me after having to register to spill my guts.

But, don't I have the right, as an alien to you and your life, to meet you as an equal rather than an enemy?

 

Stop it before I send 11 year old Tommy and 12 year old Ben to put all your windows through

 

roflmao

Are you guys serious? Kodo is ranting. This is how rants go. Don't take it so personally.

Whats the word kids use these days?

Emo?

 

When anything adversely affects or touches those dear and close to us, it is a natural human reaction to become angry. The anger is deepened when there is a lack of awareness to the consequences of such a hurt or endangerment.

I think any one with any sensibility would agree in this regard by simply placing themselves in the other person's position. Those that can't understand or care are not even worth considering.

Kodo, you have openly expressed and stated feelings brought about by personal experiences of endangerment and personal injury, which has heightened your fear of possible harm to your own family and community.

Unfortunately, in this type of forum, posts may be skim read causing key words to jump out that can be given interpretations that differ from one reader to the next which leads to miscommunication and misunderstanding. In my simple opinion, I think this has happened with this thread.

I can relate to your feelings without going into detail, and as you said "...of course, there are exceptions". I would like to believe there are a majority of exceptions, it's a matter of looking for them.

Cheers

LS

 

@Legalsuit: Agreed.

@Imperial:

Yes you do have the right to meet me as an equal rather than my enemy but that is for me to decide, not you. After all, you would be the one making contact with me in that sense. It's kind of like people calling my house and blocking their phone numbers.. if you want to talk to me, tell me who you are otherwise, I'm not picking up the phone

 

Ah, point taken.

 

Re:- L.S. Yes, I'm familiar with some of the various P.C.Y.C. I agree that there should be a lot more of these kinds of programs, rather than either basically doing nothing when underage, or sending them to jail to learn from the pros. Amazing what channeled energy and interest does. There is similar projects in the U.S. and U.K., but never enough, and as you know, educating the legal system is another matter entirely, LoL. . Okay so there's a few that are just plain rotten, and will see plenty of the penal system, but there is hope for many, if caught early enough.

Re: Kodo:- Yep. Nothing worse than an idiot with attitude in charge of a deadly weapon, (vehicle). Kinda like giving a Chimp a cluster bomb, and a heap of pretty detonator buttons to push. May kill the monkey, but might take a lot of others with it.rolleyes

 

I think there should be compulsary parent training,I think by the time you get to the kid with the "problems' its too late I dont see how a child is any different to a car,if you have either wthout knowing how to control them they can negatively effect other peoples lives and at worse cause them harm EDIT not to mention giving the child the best hope for the future, some simple pyschology lessons early on for example

"Step away from the cradle mam,do you have a license for this baby?"

 

Wow a rant blew up to 5 pages?

I'm glad my neighborhood isn't that bad.

Surprising that people take rants so seriously.

 

Actually Phantom, I've been surprised by what undertakings have been/currently are in progress re "educating the legal system". Legislation, reforms, the Australian Institute of Criminology, the application of the criminal law to children and juveniles and the jurisdiction and procedures in children's courts, etc which is ongoing.

There are occasions where Courts impose certain orders towards parents through monitoring and supervision...but things have gone too far by then. However, as a community we can assist parents by finding ways to minimise the number and intensity of risk factors by providing a support network. The Police and Community Youth Clubs (here Down Under) is an example of a support network that provides education programs.

The New South Wales Parenting Centre at the Department of Community Services (DoCS) is one example where parent training and support is available. I'm sure the same applies in different countries/states.

Rikky, it is never too late. Here's one extreme and exceptional example of community involvement working with the legal system:

Carl Upchurch was an elementary school drop-out, his uncle was a convicted rapist, another uncle went to the electric chair for a two dollar robbery and beating the store proprietor to death. Carl was raised by a grandmother who was a prostitute, his father never showed affection to wife nor responsibility for Carl and spent life in and out of gaol.

Carl emulated people he saw – hoodlums, gangsters, slick criminals whose chief agenda was to hustle or ‘get paid’ at any price. Carl fought for survival on the streets of Philadelphia (USA) as a gang member, wedded to a life of violence, a bank robber in and out of federal penitentiaries. Carl later become a respected community organiser, and one of the most compelling visionary leaders of the civil rights movement in America. He imparted value and importance of early childhood education, care of children and the future of our society.

Cheers

LS

 

@legalsuit

Carls change in nature didn't come to him one day while driving drunk through a neighborhood having a grand time being a punk kid. Carl is an example of hitting rock bottom before seeing the ways of change. Apples and oranges.

 

Hopefully no one (whatever age) needs to hit rock bottom before seeing the ways of change. That was the point I was trying to make. ("Apples and Oranges" are still fruit.)

Cheers

LS

 

By that point he would have already caused untold misery in other peoples lives as would any other kid with a poor upbringing,you may be able to fix the kid great he goes off and campaigns for civil liberties but the effects of the crimes he committed could be evident to this day

As you said thats only one extreme example evil to good but I doubt most people can be as strong willed or intelligent which is why I think its too late for the general population to go on become clean livers as he has if isnt imprinted early on in childhood,he must have overcome some pretty harsh demons because even he agrees a good early upbringing is essential

 

Now we've done the full circle of one of the points on what Kodo was trying to communicate. That is (as Carl Upchurch and you also say) "a good early upbringing is essential". Carl Upchurch provides an extreme example of what can occur when a good upbringing is lacking.

Cheers

LS

 

Ex-cons, hoodlums, Hollywood, politicians, lawyers. They all have a way of twisting things around to fit their need. Maximize or minimize events to their liking or benefit. What I mean by this is back then prisons were not the revolving door they have become today. He probably was not as bad as his story made him out to be. He had more impact if people saw him as a bad ***. But bad, yes he was.

Also if you were not in a gang in Philly in the days he grew up then you were probably getting whopped every day. Gangs operated in a different way then.
They dressed nice and were more on the cool side. Not like gangs of today. Which is why his gang summit fell flat. He didn't understand the complexity they had taken on. I lived in KC when the summit took place and it was a joke!

There are plenty of kids who are "convicted in the womb" and don't go on to disrespect people just because they can. Thats merely a title which I deem an excuse to do bad. An excuse which falls on the parents.

Carls example is a damaging one one. It says no matter how bad you become people will still accept you. You will be set free and your life will be grand.
He falls into an extremely small percentage of reformed criminals.

Manners and respect are taught and either learned or shunned in the home. Not by lawyers, politicians and courts/prisons.

I tend to think that the kid in Kodos neighborhood probably would have given good ole Carl the F.U. as well.

 

I can only reiterate my previous post to Rikky:

"Now we've done the full circle of one of the points on what Kodo was trying to communicate. That is (as Carl Upchurch and you also say) "a good early upbringing is essential". Carl Upchurch provides an extreme example of what can occur when a good upbringing is lacking."

The key phrase here is "a good early upbringing is essential".


Cheers

LS

 

I respect people who change after seeing the worst of life, but it doesn't ever have to be that way. Support organizations do exist, where caring adults spend a lot of their time showing the kids we care, and how to do the right thing the first time. Scouting and DeMolay are two of such for young men. I'm not into scouting, but very familar with DeMolay, which is loosely based on the Masons. Sadly in a lot of areas Masons don't take the time to pass on their values to the younger set, but this is the exception. Most people know the scouting oath, but here are the seven cardnal virtues of a DeMolay, Familial Love, Reverence for Sacred Things, Courtisy, Comradeship, Fidelity (basically keeping your word and backing your friends), Cleanleness (in mind as well as body), and Partriotism. You have to figure these guys are the grist for our military, so we acknowledge thier sacrifices in the past and in the future.

The biggest differences between DeMolay and Scouting is the uniform is suit and tie and DeMolay's invite the female equivalent to their dances (and visa versa, girls do love a well taylored man to show thier dudes next too).

It could well be that DeMolay tends to filter out the best, and give them a place to hang out. As one of our leaders once pointed out, teens WILL join a gang, DeMolay gives the kids a place to join a gang with good values. I have seen several young men straighten out in the organization over time. Since our ages are 12 to 20 we have a lot of older guys. Want to get a 12 year olds attention? Show him a 20 year old that he can hang around and be part of their clique, the older guys are better role models than any number of old men can be. One of the other major tenents of DeMolay is, while we older guys attend the meetings and offer our services, they run their organization. Kind of a sink or swim thing, only with a safety net in the wings.

My point is, if you want to improve the breed you have to get involved! If you have kids it's in your own best interest really. It doesn't have to be DeMolay, or Scouting, or Rainbow Girls, but these organizations offer a major outlet to help guide your children to better values.